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    The 89 MP's

    Who voted against triggering Article 50 before April 2017
    Tonight.

    Tory (1)
    Ken Clarke
    Labour (23)
    Rushanara Ali
    Graham Allen
    Ben Bradshaw
    Ann Coffey
    Neil Coyle
    Stella Creasy
    Geraint Davies
    Jim Dowd
    Louise Ellman
    Chris Evans
    Paul Farrelly
    Mike Gapes
    Helen Hayes
    Meg Hillier
    Peter Kyle
    David Lammy
    Chris Leslie
    Ian Murray
    Barry Sheerman
    Tulip Siddiq
    Angela Smith
    Catherine West
    Daniel Zeichner
    Lib Dems (5)
    Alistair Carmichael
    Nick Clegg
    Tim Farron
    Sarah Olney
    Mark Williams
    Green Party (1)
    Caroline Lucas
    SDLP (3)
    Mark Durkan
    Alasdair McDonnell
    Margaret Ritchie
    Independent (2)
    Natalie McGarry
    Michelle Thomson
    Plaid Cymru (3)
    Jonathan Edwards
    Liz Saville Roberts
    Hywel Williams
    SNP (51)
    Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh
    Hannah Bardell
    Mhairi Black
    Ian Blackford
    Kirsty Blackman
    Philip Boswell
    Deidre Brock
    Alan Brown
    Lisa Cameron
    Douglas Chapman
    Joanna Cherry
    Ronnie Cowan
    Angela Crawley
    Martyn Day
    Martin Docherty-Hughes
    Stuart Blair Donaldson
    Marion Fellows
    Margaret Ferrier
    Stephen Gethins
    Patricia Gibson
    Patrick Grady
    Peter Grant
    Neil Gray
    Drew Hendry
    Stewart Hosie
    George Kerevan
    Calum Kerr
    Chris Law
    Angus MacNeil
    John Mc Nally
    Callum McCaig
    Stuart McDonald
    Anne McLaughlin
    Carol Monaghan
    Paul Monaghan
    Roger Mullin
    Gavin Newlands
    John Nicolson
    Brendan O'Hara
    Kirsten Oswald
    Steven Paterson
    Angus Robertson
    Alex Salmond
    Tommy Sheppard
    Chris Stephens
    Alison Thewliss
    Mike Weir
    Eilidh Whiteford
    Philippa Whitford
    Corri Wilson
    Pete Wishart

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    so..?

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    so..?
    I think it's a statement of fact, so you are meant to draw your own conclusions

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Finally, we can put names to the "Liberal elite" establishment that has really been running this country, and much of the world, for the last few decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    Who voted against triggering Article 50 before April 2017
    Tonight.

    Tory (1)
    Ken Clarke
    Labour (23)
    Rushanara Ali
    Graham Allen
    Ben Bradshaw
    Ann Coffey
    Neil Coyle
    Stella Creasy
    Geraint Davies
    Jim Dowd
    Louise Ellman
    Chris Evans
    Paul Farrelly
    Mike Gapes
    Helen Hayes
    Meg Hillier
    Peter Kyle
    David Lammy
    Chris Leslie
    Ian Murray
    Barry Sheerman
    Tulip Siddiq
    Angela Smith
    Catherine West
    Daniel Zeichner
    Lib Dems (5)
    Alistair Carmichael
    Nick Clegg
    Tim Farron
    Sarah Olney
    Mark Williams
    Green Party (1)
    Caroline Lucas
    SDLP (3)
    Mark Durkan
    Alasdair McDonnell
    Margaret Ritchie
    Independent (2)
    Natalie McGarry
    Michelle Thomson
    Plaid Cymru (3)
    Jonathan Edwards
    Liz Saville Roberts
    Hywel Williams
    SNP (51)
    Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh
    Hannah Bardell
    Mhairi Black
    Ian Blackford
    Kirsty Blackman
    Philip Boswell
    Deidre Brock
    Alan Brown
    Lisa Cameron
    Douglas Chapman
    Joanna Cherry
    Ronnie Cowan
    Angela Crawley
    Martyn Day
    Martin Docherty-Hughes
    Stuart Blair Donaldson
    Marion Fellows
    Margaret Ferrier
    Stephen Gethins
    Patricia Gibson
    Patrick Grady
    Peter Grant
    Neil Gray
    Drew Hendry
    Stewart Hosie
    George Kerevan
    Calum Kerr
    Chris Law
    Angus MacNeil
    John Mc Nally
    Callum McCaig
    Stuart McDonald
    Anne McLaughlin
    Carol Monaghan
    Paul Monaghan
    Roger Mullin
    Gavin Newlands
    John Nicolson
    Brendan O'Hara
    Kirsten Oswald
    Steven Paterson
    Angus Robertson
    Alex Salmond
    Tommy Sheppard
    Chris Stephens
    Alison Thewliss
    Mike Weir
    Eilidh Whiteford
    Philippa Whitford
    Corri Wilson
    Pete Wishart
    that's a funny name for a Labour MP

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    All those MPs who voted in constituencies where the people voted for Brexit should be de-selected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llanedeyrnblue View Post
    All those MPs who voted in constituencies where the people voted for Brexit should be de-selected
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Why?
    Come on, you know the drill, "we won, get over it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Finally, we can put names to the "Liberal elite" establishment that has really been running this country, and much of the world, for the last few decades.
    Well spotted Bob

    Ken Clarke - trustee of Bilderburg funding group.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ing-group.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Why?
    are they not meant to represent their constituents? can you imagine the faux outrage from the remainders if the scenario was reversed

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    Plaid Cymru have some gall don't they. Imagine if Wales voted to stay, imagine if English MPs, bankers, judges and millionaire lawyers were attempting to subvert the will of the people of Wales and try and try and get us out of the EU. Imagine just how much anger and crying they'd be doing in that scenario.

    Party of Wales my arse.

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Why have people reacted to this vote as if it was the (future) vote on the Article 50 legislation? It isn't.

    There are any number of reasons why MPs might vote against a Labour motion demanding that the government publishes its Brexit plan, amended by the government to endorse the government headline timetable of triggering Article 50 by the end of March 2017.

    Some may not want the Brexit plan published (although unlikely as only Clarke from the Tories voted against) but others (Ben Bradshaw is one and I think Plaid and the SNP) wanted a government white paper on the Brexit plan and thought the Labour motion was not demanding enough. Others think it is a mistake to trigger Article 50 in March because they think nothing will happen until after the German elections and the government will have started the clock too soon and wasted limited negotiating time.

    It says very little about the eventual legislative vote. It certainly doesn't mean there are 89 MPs who don't accept the referendum outcome.
    Last edited by jon1959; 08-12-16 at 17:07.

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    so..?
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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Out of those 89 MPs which ones have voted against their constituency Brexit result.

    Im guessing all the SNP MPs are ok. I wonder how many of the Labour MPs are voting against their constituents wishes
    And how many of those Labour Party MP's are Fabian Society members?

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    I do wonder the reason for Labours motion that the government publishes its Brexit plan

    surely that is like going into a card game sitting down and having a mirror behind you so all the other players can see your hand ? ? ? anyone would think Labour want them to mess this up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    We do what we're told

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    are they not meant to represent their constituents? can you imagine the faux outrage from the remainders if the scenario was reversed
    Do they know their constituents view on whether we should trigger article 50 before April 2017.

    Loving the hysteria in this thread though, carry on.

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Do they know their constituents view on whether we should trigger article 50 before April 2017.

    Loving the hysteria in this thread though, carry on.
    SO much SO, you have posted three times in it

    It was just a quick rip from the daily mirror, usual suspects hook line & sinker

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Do they know their constituents view on whether we should trigger article 50 before April 2017.

    Loving the hysteria in this thread though, carry on.
    Are they scared of other humans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    I do wonder the reason for Labours motion that the government publishes its Brexit plan

    surely that is like going into a card game sitting down and having a mirror behind you so all the other players can see your hand ? ? ? anyone would think Labour want them to mess this up
    The government doesn't need any help to mess it up. They can do that all by themselves.

    Also there is a world of difference between explaining the key strategic objectives in public and holding back the detailed plans for trying to agree a deal with the EU on the concessions the UK government wants.

    Do you have a problem with this check list (for the government Brexit Plan) put forward by Keir Starmer and accepted by Theresa may and David Davis:

    - Does it answers key questions such as whether the UK will seek to remain within the customs union and the EU single market?

    - Does it give enough detail for MPs, including on the Brexit select committee chaired by Hilary Benn, to scrutinise the government’s approach?

    - Does it provide enough information for the independent Office for Budget Responsibility to make detailed economic forecasts?

    - Will it address the concerns of the devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales?

    - Does it “have enough detail to build genuine consensus”?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ger-article-50

    After all the contradictions and off-the-cuff policy making from Davis and Johnson in recent weeks, being forced to agree and publish a strategic plan for Brexit may be the most helpful thing to happen to the government. Getting clarity on the customs union and single market would be massive - at the moment the government is doing the full Vicky Pollard. Whichever way they jump isn't going to hand any advantage to EU negotiators - just spell out the boundaries as early as possible.
    Last edited by jon1959; 08-12-16 at 22:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Are they scared of other humans?
    Can't beat them, join them.

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Can't beat them, join them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Out of those 89 MPs which ones have voted against their constituency Brexit result.
    The vote wasn't about the brexit result it was about ensuring it's lawfully triggered. Surely the last thing the brexit brigade want is for it to be triggered unlawfully and would want everything to be done above board to minimise the chance of it being railroaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948 View Post
    Plaid Cymru have some gall don't they. Imagine if Wales voted to stay, imagine if English MPs, bankers, judges and millionaire lawyers were attempting to subvert the will of the people of Wales and try and try and get us out of the EU. Imagine just how much anger and crying they'd be doing in that scenario.

    Party of Wales my arse.
    Maybe this is why?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7136196.html

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    Re: The 89 MP's

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Do they know their constituents view on whether we should trigger article 50 before April 2017.

    Loving the hysteria in this thread though, carry on.
    hysteria you need to get out more

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