Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:46

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

They do denounce it.

It never really makes the news though.

This could well be the case but it doesn't really answer the point about homegrown terrorism and abuse to free speech on the scale we have seen in Europe.

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:49

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:46

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

They do denounce it.

It never really makes the news though.

This could well be the case but it doesn't really answer the point about homegrown terrorism and abuse to free speech on the scale we have seen in Europe.

I don't understand the point here?

So this bloke did it because of Israel and Palestine then?

gabbs.t.n wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:56

So this bloke did it because of Israel and Palestine then?

No, he was a right wing extremist Christian nutcase.

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:57

gabbs.t.n wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:56

So this bloke did it because of Israel and Palestine then?

No, he was a right wing extremist Christian nutcase.

I find it highly unlikely any news story on this scale could have had nothing to do with Israel and Palestine has anyone asked that maniac from splott to seek for a thinly veiled link to our Palestinian friends?

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

gabbs.t.n wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:01

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:57

gabbs.t.n wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:56

So this bloke did it because of Israel and Palestine then?

No, he was a right wing extremist Christian nutcase.

I find it highly unlikely any news story on this scale could have had nothing to do with Israel and Palestine has anyone asked that maniac from splott to seek for a thinly veiled link to our Palestinian friends?

Ah! I see, it was intellectually challenged after all then.

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:53

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

I'm not saying they don't. I'll do my best to be more clear, many terrorists in Europe are homegrown and come from Muslim communities so you have to consider if these communities are doing enough on the whole to denounce. Perhaps they do a lot but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest they have, I'll happily concede if you can you show me some.

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:53

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

I'm not saying they don't. I'll do my best to be more clear, many terrorists in Europe are homegrown and come from Muslim communities so you have to consider if these communities are doing enough on the whole to denounce. Perhaps they do a lot but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest they have, I'll happily concede if you can you show me some.

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:02

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:53

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

I'm not saying they don't. I'll do my best to be more clear, many terrorists in Europe are homegrown and come from Muslim communities so you have to consider if these communities are doing enough on the whole to denounce. Perhaps they do a lot but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest they have, I'll happily concede if you can you show me some.

This bloke was a homegrown Christian terrorist, not a Muslim?

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:02

gabbs.t.n wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:01

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:57

gabbs.t.n wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:56

So this bloke did it because of Israel and Palestine then?

No, he was a right wing extremist Christian nutcase.

I find it highly unlikely any news story on this scale could have had nothing to do with Israel and Palestine has anyone asked that maniac from splott to seek for a thinly veiled link to our Palestinian friends?

Ah! I see, it was intellectually challenged after all then.

Shalom shalom

You have to admit it was a bit of a crude opportunism from yourself to try and deflect any sort of world event into having a direct cause descending from Israel.

I provided a news link which featured a rally the previous day on the same island which called for a Palestinian State.

That is slightly more than just mere coincidence don't you think.

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:02

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:53

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

I'm not saying they don't. I'll do my best to be more clear, many terrorists in Europe are homegrown and come from Muslim communities so you have to consider if these communities are doing enough on the whole to denounce. Perhaps they do a lot but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest they have, I'll happily concede if you can you show me some.

Personally I'll happily concede if you could define 'terrorism' for me.

Is sitting on a game console in Florida, wiping out 700 innocent civilians in Afghanistan during the last twelve months terrorism?

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:11

I provided a news link which featured a rally the previous day on the same island which called for a Palestinian State.

That is slightly more than just mere coincidence don't you think.

Nope.

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:06

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:02

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:53

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

I'm not saying they don't. I'll do my best to be more clear, many terrorists in Europe are homegrown and come from Muslim communities so you have to consider if these communities are doing enough on the whole to denounce. Perhaps they do a lot but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest they have, I'll happily concede if you can you show me some.

Personally I'll happily concede if you could define 'terrorism' for me.

Is sitting on a game console in Florida, wiping out 700 innocent civilians in Afghanistan during the last twelve months terrorism?

Well now we're just wasting time aren't we? You know perfectly well what I mean when I use the term 'terrorism' but I'll say Islamist terrorism in the western world in the future to satisfy your pedantry.

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:12

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:06

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:02

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:53

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

I'm not saying they don't. I'll do my best to be more clear, many terrorists in Europe are homegrown and come from Muslim communities so you have to consider if these communities are doing enough on the whole to denounce. Perhaps they do a lot but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest they have, I'll happily concede if you can you show me some.

Personally I'll happily concede if you could define 'terrorism' for me.

Is sitting on a game console in Florida, wiping out 700 innocent civilians in Afghanistan during the last twelve months terrorism?

Well now we're just wasting time aren't we? You know perfectly well what I mean when I use the term 'terrorism' but I'll say Islamist terrorism in the western world in the future to satisfy your pedantry.

BWS we have somewhere like four million muslims in this country, not including all those who come to study here in universities and those who have their vacations here.

If you added up every single person who had even been suspected of terrorist beliefs during the last ten years (not necessarilly acts) it would not amount to one percent of the muslim population.

We are a democracy. We don't inflict collective punishment on people, nor do we inflict collective guilt or collective responsibility on them. That's what non-democratic societies do, the sort that I have frequently opposed on here.

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:23

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:12

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:06

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:02

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:53

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

I'm not saying they don't. I'll do my best to be more clear, many terrorists in Europe are homegrown and come from Muslim communities so you have to consider if these communities are doing enough on the whole to denounce. Perhaps they do a lot but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest they have, I'll happily concede if you can you show me some.

Personally I'll happily concede if you could define 'terrorism' for me.

Is sitting on a game console in Florida, wiping out 700 innocent civilians in Afghanistan during the last twelve months terrorism?

Well now we're just wasting time aren't we? You know perfectly well what I mean when I use the term 'terrorism' but I'll say Islamist terrorism in the western world in the future to satisfy your pedantry.

BWS we have somewhere like four million muslims in this country, not including all those who come to study here in universities and those who have their vacations here.

If you added up every single person who had even been suspected of terrorist beliefs during the last ten years (not necessarilly acts) it would not amount to one percent of the muslim population.

We are a democracy. We don't inflict collective punishment on people, nor do we inflict collective guilt or collective responsibility on them. That's what non-democratic societies do, the sort that I have frequently opposed on here.

You're attributing a belief to me that I have never expressed, I am fully aware of all of the above. However, homegrown Islamist terrorists are coming from all over Europe and they are almost all exclusively brought up in muslim communities. It would be foolish not question why this happens, there are too many people like yourself who want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend it is not a concern.

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:30

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:23

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:12

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:06

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 15:02

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:53

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:47

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:44

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:40

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 14:24

When is the Christian community going to denounce these extremists?

I don't like the way people say this sort of thing to Muslims, it's usually a thinly veiled racist remark, but you have to question how much the Muslim communities are doing to denounce extrememism when a lot of the terrorists are homegrown. Almost all Chrisitian communities would denouce extremeism without a second thought.

30,000 innocent people have been killed in Pakistan since 9/11, by extremist terrorists.

I think they are fed up with denouncing it by now don't you?

Would you like to expand on that? Not really sure what you're getting at.

Why do you have to question etc, etc, etc.

What is it that you don't think one group of humans question, which another group does?

Especially when nearly 99% of all terrorist acts are carried out against muslims, rather than 'we' in the West.

I'm not saying they don't. I'll do my best to be more clear, many terrorists in Europe are homegrown and come from Muslim communities so you have to consider if these communities are doing enough on the whole to denounce. Perhaps they do a lot but I haven't seen much evidence to suggest they have, I'll happily concede if you can you show me some.

Personally I'll happily concede if you could define 'terrorism' for me.

Is sitting on a game console in Florida, wiping out 700 innocent civilians in Afghanistan during the last twelve months terrorism?

Well now we're just wasting time aren't we? You know perfectly well what I mean when I use the term 'terrorism' but I'll say Islamist terrorism in the western world in the future to satisfy your pedantry.

BWS we have somewhere like four million muslims in this country, not including all those who come to study here in universities and those who have their vacations here.

If you added up every single person who had even been suspected of terrorist beliefs during the last ten years (not necessarilly acts) it would not amount to one percent of the muslim population.

We are a democracy. We don't inflict collective punishment on people, nor do we inflict collective guilt or collective responsibility on them. That's what non-democratic societies do, the sort that I have frequently opposed on here.

You're attributing a belief to me that I have never expressed, I am fully aware of all of the above. However, homegrown Islamist terrorists are coming from all over Europe and they are almost all exclusively brought up in muslim communities. It would be foolish not question why this happens, there are too many people like yourself who want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend it is not a concern.

If it exists to the degree and extent that you believe it does, why not examine the causes? Everything has a cause and an effect.

Question your assertion by all means but look for evidence, facts, proof, first before reaching a conclusion on it.

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:22

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:17

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:09

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:01

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 09:36

i wonder how long it will be before certain parties start blaming the jews?

Three posts before the first tenous link!!

Some can make their own mind up whether it is or isn't.


Here is the article:



politisk.tv2.no

July 23, 2011 Originally Published July 21, 2011

The Foreign Minister was met with claims that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp Thursday.

During the second day of Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya got the Labour Party's young hopefuls visit by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

Together with Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation correspondent Sidsel Wold and Norwegian People's Aid Kirsten Belck-Olsen, the Foreign Minister discussed of the deadlock between Israel and the Palestinian Authority

As the foreign minister arrived Utøya he was met with a demand from the AUF that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state.

"The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now," said the Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience.

Earlier this week, when Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas visited Norway, the Minister said to TV 2 news channel that Norway stands ready to recognize a Palestinian state.

"We are ready to recognize a Palestinian state. I await the actual resolution text Palestinians will promote the UN General Assembly in September," said the Minister.

In autumn it is expected that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will bring the matter to the UN. He is expected to ask for UN membership and recognition of a Palestinian state within the borders before the 1967 war, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

Read also: - Norway is ready to recognize a Palestinian state

AUF would boycott

On Wednesday AUF leader Eskil Pedersen said that the AUF wants a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.

"Labour Youth will have a more activist Middle East policy and we have to recognize Palestine. We have to get the peace process into a new track," said Pedersen.

The foreign minister admitted that the situation is untenable, but believes that the boycott is the wrong tool.

"The boycott will be to move from dialogue to monologue. It will be difficult to open the door on the day that we will talk with Israel," said the Minister."

So what? You think a man who was clearly psychotic took such offence to this that he killed 80 kids? Have you tried linking the Hungerford shooting to Zionism? Or is there a set death toll needed before it suits your political arguments?

Dai, you know I respect your opinion, even if i disagree, but please come clean on this. No ambiguity or links. Do you think that the events yesterday are down to the actions of a psychopath or somehow linked to the Palestinian situation?

What I think is immaterial. There is a link, a reason if you will which would provide someone with a motive.

Yes if someone is susceptible all they need is the right kind of trigger to push them over the edge, or to turn radicalism (any kind of radicalism) into an act.

Immaterial or not, do you personally think the actions were caused due to the Palestinian issues or not.

I'll go on the record. I don't think he killed 80+ kids because they had a meeting with a man and spoke about Palestine.

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:31

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:22

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:17

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:09

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:01

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 09:36

i wonder how long it will be before certain parties start blaming the jews?

Three posts before the first tenous link!!

Some can make their own mind up whether it is or isn't.


Here is the article:



politisk.tv2.no

July 23, 2011 Originally Published July 21, 2011

The Foreign Minister was met with claims that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp Thursday.

During the second day of Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya got the Labour Party's young hopefuls visit by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

Together with Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation correspondent Sidsel Wold and Norwegian People's Aid Kirsten Belck-Olsen, the Foreign Minister discussed of the deadlock between Israel and the Palestinian Authority

As the foreign minister arrived Utøya he was met with a demand from the AUF that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state.

"The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now," said the Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience.

Earlier this week, when Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas visited Norway, the Minister said to TV 2 news channel that Norway stands ready to recognize a Palestinian state.

"We are ready to recognize a Palestinian state. I await the actual resolution text Palestinians will promote the UN General Assembly in September," said the Minister.

In autumn it is expected that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will bring the matter to the UN. He is expected to ask for UN membership and recognition of a Palestinian state within the borders before the 1967 war, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

Read also: - Norway is ready to recognize a Palestinian state

AUF would boycott

On Wednesday AUF leader Eskil Pedersen said that the AUF wants a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.

"Labour Youth will have a more activist Middle East policy and we have to recognize Palestine. We have to get the peace process into a new track," said Pedersen.

The foreign minister admitted that the situation is untenable, but believes that the boycott is the wrong tool.

"The boycott will be to move from dialogue to monologue. It will be difficult to open the door on the day that we will talk with Israel," said the Minister."

So what? You think a man who was clearly psychotic took such offence to this that he killed 80 kids? Have you tried linking the Hungerford shooting to Zionism? Or is there a set death toll needed before it suits your political arguments?

Dai, you know I respect your opinion, even if i disagree, but please come clean on this. No ambiguity or links. Do you think that the events yesterday are down to the actions of a psychopath or somehow linked to the Palestinian situation?

What I think is immaterial. There is a link, a reason if you will which would provide someone with a motive.

Yes if someone is susceptible all they need is the right kind of trigger to push them over the edge, or to turn radicalism (any kind of radicalism) into an act.

Immaterial or not, do you personally think the actions were caused due to the Palestinian issues or not.

I'll go on the record. I don't think he killed 80+ kids because they had a meeting with a man and spoke about Palestine.

Here is a conundrum for you.

How come 6,000 lbs of explosive (3 tons) blew the Oklahoma building off the face of the earth, yet in Oslo twice as much explosive (6 tons) only managed to blow out some windows and caused no more than superficial damage to the actual buildings?

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 16:40

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:31

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:22

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:17

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:09

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:01

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 09:36

i wonder how long it will be before certain parties start blaming the jews?

Three posts before the first tenous link!!

Some can make their own mind up whether it is or isn't.


Here is the article:



politisk.tv2.no

July 23, 2011 Originally Published July 21, 2011

The Foreign Minister was met with claims that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp Thursday.

During the second day of Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya got the Labour Party's young hopefuls visit by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

Together with Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation correspondent Sidsel Wold and Norwegian People's Aid Kirsten Belck-Olsen, the Foreign Minister discussed of the deadlock between Israel and the Palestinian Authority

As the foreign minister arrived Utøya he was met with a demand from the AUF that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state.

"The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now," said the Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience.

Earlier this week, when Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas visited Norway, the Minister said to TV 2 news channel that Norway stands ready to recognize a Palestinian state.

"We are ready to recognize a Palestinian state. I await the actual resolution text Palestinians will promote the UN General Assembly in September," said the Minister.

In autumn it is expected that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will bring the matter to the UN. He is expected to ask for UN membership and recognition of a Palestinian state within the borders before the 1967 war, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

Read also: - Norway is ready to recognize a Palestinian state

AUF would boycott

On Wednesday AUF leader Eskil Pedersen said that the AUF wants a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.

"Labour Youth will have a more activist Middle East policy and we have to recognize Palestine. We have to get the peace process into a new track," said Pedersen.

The foreign minister admitted that the situation is untenable, but believes that the boycott is the wrong tool.

"The boycott will be to move from dialogue to monologue. It will be difficult to open the door on the day that we will talk with Israel," said the Minister."

So what? You think a man who was clearly psychotic took such offence to this that he killed 80 kids? Have you tried linking the Hungerford shooting to Zionism? Or is there a set death toll needed before it suits your political arguments?

Dai, you know I respect your opinion, even if i disagree, but please come clean on this. No ambiguity or links. Do you think that the events yesterday are down to the actions of a psychopath or somehow linked to the Palestinian situation?

What I think is immaterial. There is a link, a reason if you will which would provide someone with a motive.

Yes if someone is susceptible all they need is the right kind of trigger to push them over the edge, or to turn radicalism (any kind of radicalism) into an act.

Immaterial or not, do you personally think the actions were caused due to the Palestinian issues or not.

I'll go on the record. I don't think he killed 80+ kids because they had a meeting with a man and spoke about Palestine.

Here is a conundrum for you.

How come 6,000 lbs of explosive (3 tons) blew the Oklahoma building off the face of the earth, yet in Oslo twice as much explosive (6 tons) only managed to blow out some windows and caused no more than superficial damage to the actual buildings?

Because its different.

I really have no idea.

Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 16:41

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 16:40

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:31

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:22

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:17

Splott David wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:09

Boris wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:01

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 09:36

i wonder how long it will be before certain parties start blaming the jews?

Three posts before the first tenous link!!

Some can make their own mind up whether it is or isn't.


Here is the article:



politisk.tv2.no

July 23, 2011 Originally Published July 21, 2011

The Foreign Minister was met with claims that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp Thursday.

During the second day of Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya got the Labour Party's young hopefuls visit by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

Together with Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation correspondent Sidsel Wold and Norwegian People's Aid Kirsten Belck-Olsen, the Foreign Minister discussed of the deadlock between Israel and the Palestinian Authority

As the foreign minister arrived Utøya he was met with a demand from the AUF that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state.

"The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now," said the Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience.

Earlier this week, when Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas visited Norway, the Minister said to TV 2 news channel that Norway stands ready to recognize a Palestinian state.

"We are ready to recognize a Palestinian state. I await the actual resolution text Palestinians will promote the UN General Assembly in September," said the Minister.

In autumn it is expected that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will bring the matter to the UN. He is expected to ask for UN membership and recognition of a Palestinian state within the borders before the 1967 war, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

Read also: - Norway is ready to recognize a Palestinian state

AUF would boycott

On Wednesday AUF leader Eskil Pedersen said that the AUF wants a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.

"Labour Youth will have a more activist Middle East policy and we have to recognize Palestine. We have to get the peace process into a new track," said Pedersen.

The foreign minister admitted that the situation is untenable, but believes that the boycott is the wrong tool.

"The boycott will be to move from dialogue to monologue. It will be difficult to open the door on the day that we will talk with Israel," said the Minister."

So what? You think a man who was clearly psychotic took such offence to this that he killed 80 kids? Have you tried linking the Hungerford shooting to Zionism? Or is there a set death toll needed before it suits your political arguments?

Dai, you know I respect your opinion, even if i disagree, but please come clean on this. No ambiguity or links. Do you think that the events yesterday are down to the actions of a psychopath or somehow linked to the Palestinian situation?

What I think is immaterial. There is a link, a reason if you will which would provide someone with a motive.

Yes if someone is susceptible all they need is the right kind of trigger to push them over the edge, or to turn radicalism (any kind of radicalism) into an act.

Immaterial or not, do you personally think the actions were caused due to the Palestinian issues or not.

I'll go on the record. I don't think he killed 80+ kids because they had a meeting with a man and spoke about Palestine.

Here is a conundrum for you.

How come 6,000 lbs of explosive (3 tons) blew the Oklahoma building off the face of the earth, yet in Oslo twice as much explosive (6 tons) only managed to blow out some windows and caused no more than superficial damage to the actual buildings?

Because its different.

Would you not think that you may have got more bang for your bucks with twice the amount?

I really have no idea I just thought it slightly odd.

my mistake the oklahoma bomb was outside the building.

First Milly Dowler's phone being hacked and now some lunatic right-wing extremist executing kids is all down to the Jews. Un****ingbelievable.

I see the drummer from The Corrs has become a conspiracy crackpot, it was probably down to all those people asking him for sex so they could shag his sisters

A very good look at the media coverage of the terrible events in Norway by Charlie Brooker

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/24/charlie- brooker-norway-mass-killings?CMP=twt_gu

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 19:56

my mistake the oklahoma bomb was outside the building.

McVeigh had absolutely no experience or training on how to prepare a bomb which took down a government building and killed some 168 people.

He had accomplices which has all been well documented. However what wasn't so well documented is that one of them, (the bomb maker)was a former Iraqi Intelligence Officer, who had been allowed into the country (along with about 2,000 of his former colleagues) following the first Gulf War.

His motives were purely political and were in protest at the continuing unconditional American support for Israel.

You may wish to research it for yourself?

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:15

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

The bloke who just murdered 90 odd people?

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:56

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:15

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

The bloke who just murdered 90 odd people?

A derranged psychopath would have either gone down in a hail of bullets or killed himself.

This guy had more ammunition and was heavier armed than the police that had been sent to the island.

He surrendered with stacks of ammunition left over as soon as the police arrived.

It was a political act pure and simple. He didn't do it because he enjoyed killing people, but because (according to his ideological beliefs) it was necessary to wipe out the future leaders of Norway's Labour Party.

No one writes a 1,500 page manifesto if they are a derranged psychopath.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 09:35

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 19:56

my mistake the oklahoma bomb was outside the building.

McVeigh had absolutely no experience or training on how to prepare a bomb which took down a government building and killed some 168 people.

He had accomplices which has all been well documented. However what wasn't so well documented is that one of them, (the bomb maker)was a former Iraqi Intelligence Officer, who had been allowed into the country (along with about 2,000 of his former colleagues) following the first Gulf War.

His motives were purely political and were in protest at the continuing unconditional American support for Israel.

You may wish to research it for yourself?

Very interesting SD, the EDL have been spouting exactly the same nonsense as you.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/edl-facebook-norway-br eivik/

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:56

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:15

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

The bloke who just murdered 90 odd people?

A derranged psychopath would have either gone down in a hail of bullets or killed himself.

This guy had more ammunition and was heavier armed than the police that had been sent to the island.

He surrendered with stacks of ammunition left over as soon as the police arrived.

It was a political act pure and simple. He didn't do it because he enjoyed killing people, but because (according to his ideological beliefs) it was necessary to wipe out the future leaders of Norway's Labour Party.

No one writes a 1,500 page manifesto if they are a derranged psychopath.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:04

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:56

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:15

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

The bloke who just murdered 90 odd people?

A derranged psychopath would have either gone down in a hail of bullets or killed himself.

This guy had more ammunition and was heavier armed than the police that had been sent to the island.

He surrendered with stacks of ammunition left over as soon as the police arrived.

It was a political act pure and simple. He didn't do it because he enjoyed killing people, but because (according to his ideological beliefs) it was necessary to wipe out the future leaders of Norway's Labour Party.

No one writes a 1,500 page manifesto if they are a derranged psychopath.

Actually I think it is quite the opposite. If you write a 1,500 page manifesto outlinging your own political agenda you show youself to be a complete meglomaniac who has the beleif that your views on the world should be the only view and will do anything to acheive the oxygen of publicitiy.

How can anyone not think that killing almost 100 people isn't the act of a deranged psychocpath. I think the fact that he did is so methodically and in such an organised manner underlines this fact. He didn't think about the outcomes of his actions apart from in a political sense, therefore showing he has no normal grounding in society, no sense of right and wrong and certainly an inability to empathise in the slightest with other human beings. All of these highlight him as a complete psychopath.

At the end of the day if you're a c*nt you're a c*nt. It doesn't matter the colour of your skin, your religion or your nationality - if you're a c*nt you're a c*nt.

And this guy was.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:04

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:56

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:15

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

The bloke who just murdered 90 odd people?

A derranged psychopath would have either gone down in a hail of bullets or killed himself.

This guy had more ammunition and was heavier armed than the police that had been sent to the island.

He surrendered with stacks of ammunition left over as soon as the police arrived.

It was a political act pure and simple. He didn't do it because he enjoyed killing people, but because (according to his ideological beliefs) it was necessary to wipe out the future leaders of Norway's Labour Party.

No one writes a 1,500 page manifesto if they are a derranged psychopath.

The bloke just killed near 100 people, if that doesn't class as a psychopath I don't know what does.

The fact that it might have been political doesn't alter the issue.

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:00

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 09:35

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 19:56

my mistake the oklahoma bomb was outside the building.

McVeigh had absolutely no experience or training on how to prepare a bomb which took down a government building and killed some 168 people.

He had accomplices which has all been well documented. However what wasn't so well documented is that one of them, (the bomb maker)was a former Iraqi Intelligence Officer, who had been allowed into the country (along with about 2,000 of his former colleagues) following the first Gulf War.

His motives were purely political and were in protest at the continuing unconditional American support for Israel.

You may wish to research it for yourself?

Very interesting SD, the EDL have been spouting exactly the same nonsense as you.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/edl-facebook-norway-br eivik/

I think you will find they are nothing like what I have opined.

Mine have been backed up with research over more years than you have been alive BWS.

If you could actually show or demonstrate where it is nonsense you would have done so.

The links that I have provided are based on actual events rather than just idle speculation.

As a further thought for you the date of 2083 was very significant to the killer, as it would have been (although obscure to most) the 200 year anniversay of the death of Karl Marx.

It shows that dates on which events occurred were regarded as politically significant and subsequently played a large part in his thinking, and may have played a part in the date of the attack.

If you research it, you will see that the bomb attack occurred precisely on the same day as the infamous attack on the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, some 65 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

BBMalk wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:12

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:04

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:56

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:15

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

The bloke who just murdered 90 odd people?

A derranged psychopath would have either gone down in a hail of bullets or killed himself.

This guy had more ammunition and was heavier armed than the police that had been sent to the island.

He surrendered with stacks of ammunition left over as soon as the police arrived.

It was a political act pure and simple. He didn't do it because he enjoyed killing people, but because (according to his ideological beliefs) it was necessary to wipe out the future leaders of Norway's Labour Party.

No one writes a 1,500 page manifesto if they are a derranged psychopath.

Actually I think it is quite the opposite. If you write a 1,500 page manifesto outlinging your own political agenda you show youself to be a complete meglomaniac who has the beleif that your views on the world should be the only view and will do anything to acheive the oxygen of publicitiy.

How can anyone not think that killing almost 100 people isn't the act of a deranged psychocpath. I think the fact that he did is so methodically and in such an organised manner underlines this fact. He didn't think about the outcomes of his actions apart from in a political sense, therefore showing he has no normal grounding in society, no sense of right and wrong and certainly an inability to empathise in the slightest with other human beings. All of these highlight him as a complete psychopath.

At the end of the day if you're a c*nt you're a c*nt. It doesn't matter the colour of your skin, your religion or your nationality - if you're a c*nt you're a c*nt.

And this guy was.

Were the people who wrote the Zionist manifesto all derranged psychopaths?

What about Karl Marx and Engels and the Communist manifesto?

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:18

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:04

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:56

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:15

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

The bloke who just murdered 90 odd people?

A derranged psychopath would have either gone down in a hail of bullets or killed himself.

This guy had more ammunition and was heavier armed than the police that had been sent to the island.

He surrendered with stacks of ammunition left over as soon as the police arrived.

It was a political act pure and simple. He didn't do it because he enjoyed killing people, but because (according to his ideological beliefs) it was necessary to wipe out the future leaders of Norway's Labour Party.

No one writes a 1,500 page manifesto if they are a derranged psychopath.

The bloke just killed near 100 people, if that doesn't class as a psychopath I don't know what does.

The fact that it might have been political doesn't alter the issue.

Lenin killed millions of people for political reasons. Did that make him a psychopath?

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:17

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:00

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 09:35

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 19:56

my mistake the oklahoma bomb was outside the building.

McVeigh had absolutely no experience or training on how to prepare a bomb which took down a government building and killed some 168 people.

He had accomplices which has all been well documented. However what wasn't so well documented is that one of them, (the bomb maker)was a former Iraqi Intelligence Officer, who had been allowed into the country (along with about 2,000 of his former colleagues) following the first Gulf War.

His motives were purely political and were in protest at the continuing unconditional American support for Israel.

You may wish to research it for yourself?

Very interesting SD, the EDL have been spouting exactly the same nonsense as you.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/edl-facebook-norway-br eivik/

I think you will find they are nothing like what I have opined.

Mine have been backed up with research over more years than you have been alive BWS.

If you could actually show or demonstrate where it is nonsense you would have done so.

The links that I have provided are based on actual events rather than just idle speculation.

As a further thought for you the date of 2083 was very significant to the killer, as it would have been (although obscure to most) the 200 year anniversay of the death of Karl Marx.

It shows that dates on which events occurred were regarded as politically significant and subsequently played a large part in his thinking, and may have played a part in the date of the attack.

If you research it, you will see that the bomb attack occurred precisely on the same day as the infamous attack on the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, some 65 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

My point is that you're happy to go with any theory as long as it goes against the official explanation. You may consider reading some questionable websites with their assumptions and untruths to be research, I prefer to be patient and wait to see what comes out.

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:20

BBMalk wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:12

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:04

TruBlue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:56

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:15

yemeniblue wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:05

Plenty of people ringing up 5Live to say they kind of, sort of agree with the Norweigen shooter/bomber/terrorist/fundamentalist's ideology!

I understand that completely.

It was a political act, and when viewed in that context it makes perfect sense.

If the same act was perpetrated in this country and scaled up to equate to our population, it would have taken out about 1,300 people and left in the region of 900 seriously injured.

Why shouldn't extreme-right wing fundamentalists who believe in the Christian myths surrounding the Rapture and the Promised Land narrative, strike out at those who think the complete opposite?

That is precisely what he did.

He is not a psychopath, far from it.

The bloke who just murdered 90 odd people?

A derranged psychopath would have either gone down in a hail of bullets or killed himself.

This guy had more ammunition and was heavier armed than the police that had been sent to the island.

He surrendered with stacks of ammunition left over as soon as the police arrived.

It was a political act pure and simple. He didn't do it because he enjoyed killing people, but because (according to his ideological beliefs) it was necessary to wipe out the future leaders of Norway's Labour Party.

No one writes a 1,500 page manifesto if they are a derranged psychopath.

Actually I think it is quite the opposite. If you write a 1,500 page manifesto outlinging your own political agenda you show youself to be a complete meglomaniac who has the beleif that your views on the world should be the only view and will do anything to acheive the oxygen of publicitiy.

How can anyone not think that killing almost 100 people isn't the act of a deranged psychocpath. I think the fact that he did is so methodically and in such an organised manner underlines this fact. He didn't think about the outcomes of his actions apart from in a political sense, therefore showing he has no normal grounding in society, no sense of right and wrong and certainly an inability to empathise in the slightest with other human beings. All of these highlight him as a complete psychopath.

At the end of the day if you're a c*nt you're a c*nt. It doesn't matter the colour of your skin, your religion or your nationality - if you're a c*nt you're a c*nt.

And this guy was.

Were the people who wrote the Zionist manifesto all derranged psychopaths?

What about Karl Marx and Engels and the Communist manifesto?

I think a policitical manifesto shouldn't be confused with the ramblings of a madman. I could write 20,000 page mandate on the need for all Scottish people to be thrown into an Icelandic volcanoe due to my hatred of haggis. Would this mean I was a progressive political figure and would it give me the right to slaughter innocent youngsters? Or would it just mean I was a bit of an idiot?

Just because you write something and give it a fancy name doesn't give you political immunity, and certainly doesn't give you right to kill people in cold blood.

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:23

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:17

Borneo Walking Stick wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:00

Splott David wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 09:35

goslow wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 19:56

my mistake the oklahoma bomb was outside the building.

McVeigh had absolutely no experience or training on how to prepare a bomb which took down a government building and killed some 168 people.

He had accomplices which has all been well documented. However what wasn't so well documented is that one of them, (the bomb maker)was a former Iraqi Intelligence Officer, who had been allowed into the country (along with about 2,000 of his former colleagues) following the first Gulf War.

His motives were purely political and were in protest at the continuing unconditional American support for Israel.

You may wish to research it for yourself?

Very interesting SD, the EDL have been spouting exactly the same nonsense as you.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/edl-facebook-norway-br eivik/

I think you will find they are nothing like what I have opined.

Mine have been backed up with research over more years than you have been alive BWS.

If you could actually show or demonstrate where it is nonsense you would have done so.

The links that I have provided are based on actual events rather than just idle speculation.

As a further thought for you the date of 2083 was very significant to the killer, as it would have been (although obscure to most) the 200 year anniversay of the death of Karl Marx.

It shows that dates on which events occurred were regarded as politically significant and subsequently played a large part in his thinking, and may have played a part in the date of the attack.

If you research it, you will see that the bomb attack occurred precisely on the same day as the infamous attack on the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, some 65 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

My point is that you're happy to go with any theory as long as it goes against the official explanation. You may consider reading some questionable websites with their assumptions and untruths to be research, I prefer to be patient and wait to see what comes out.

BWS learn to make the case properly. If you allege that a source of information is suspect then prove it provide some evidence to that effect. It kind of helps with the credibility.

I have shown why, the motive, reasons, that the killer carried out these atrocious crimes.

All I have said is that he was politically motivated to do so a fact which has become self-evident.

The fact that it went against the narrative which most have been brain washed to accept i.e. islamic terrorism, has unsettled some on here, because it actually forces them to think.

Thinking for oneself and critical analysis is becoming like a new crime.