A builders labourer who worked for me a few years ago had a brain haemorage & minor stroke a couple of years ago & had to quit manual work & went on incapacity benefit, he recently was examined & was asked could he clench his fist, when he showed them that he could they said that they were signing him off & although he can no longer do physical work he's capable of re-training behind a desk. He's 61 years of age! Another case of clueless toffs who know nothing about working life.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

Only 7% of people claiming sickness benefits were unable to do any sort of work, new figures have shown.

The department has released the results from 1.3 million tests over a period of more than two years which showed:

7% were incapable of any work
17% were able to do some sort of work given the correct support
39% were deemed to be fit for work and were moved onto jobseeker's allowance
36% dropped out of the application process
1% of applications were still in progress



Someone on here told me all benefit claims were legit.

All you need now is the jobs for them.

A builders labourer who worked for me a few years ago had a brain haemorage & minor stroke a couple of years ago & had to quit manual work & went on incapacity benefit, he recently was examined & was asked could he clench his fist, when he showed them that he could they said that they were signing him off & although he can no longer do physical work he's capable of re-training behind a desk. He's 61 years of age! Another case of clueless toffs who know nothing about working life.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

Only 7% of people claiming sickness benefits were unable to do any sort of work, new figures have shown.

The department has released the results from 1.3 million tests over a period of more than two years which showed:

7% were incapable of any work
17% were able to do some sort of work given the correct support
39% were deemed to be fit for work and were moved onto jobseeker's allowance
36% dropped out of the application process
1% of applications were still in progress



Someone on here told me all benefit claims were legit.

Croesyblue wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 19:32

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

Only 7% of people claiming sickness benefits were unable to do any sort of work, new figures have shown.

The department has released the results from 1.3 million tests over a period of more than two years which showed:

7% were incapable of any work
17% were able to do some sort of work given the correct support
39% were deemed to be fit for work and were moved onto jobseeker's allowance
36% dropped out of the application process
1% of applications were still in progress



Someone on here told me all benefit claims were legit.

Oh hum in an unreliable world you can rely on Croesy kicking those poorer than himself. He seems proud to be the South Walian Scrooge.

I would love his world to crash and burn and then afterwards find himself in the very benefit system he takes joy in criticising.

If only.

Heathblue® wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 19:35

All you need now is the jobs for them.

the whole point of this is not judging wether people are fit for work

its getting huge chunks of people off the sick ...which is where most geneuine cliaments are ...and onto JSA

thus saving the country about £20 per claiment

great if you are a daily mail reading goose stepping nazi but not so great if your income is cut by 25 percent and the drop in income puts your flat at risk due to a fall in housing benefit

god help any of the tory tarts on here if they ever get sick

Good old ATOS, costing the UK Government over 50 million. ATOS say they are fit to work and walk away, people make appeals that the tax payer picks up. Think they get 30 million a year for this service

Did you see stroy of the guy who dropped dead last week after being passed fit for work by ATOS.

read all about it Crossey, it'll cost you more in the long run

All you need now is the jobs for them.

Heathblue® wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 19:35

All you need now is the jobs for them.

And this is the point^^^^. Though I agree sickie pullers should starve to death.

A builders labourer who worked for me a few years ago had a brain haemorage & minor stroke a couple of years ago & had to quit manual work & went on incapacity benefit, he recently was examined & was asked could he clench his fist, when he showed them that he could they said that they were signing him off & although he can no longer do physical work he's capable of re-training behind a desk. He's 61 years of age! Another case of clueless toffs who know nothing about working life.

Heathblue® wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 19:35

All you need now is the jobs for them.

the whole point of this is not judging wether people are fit for work

its getting huge chunks of people off the sick ...which is where most geneuine cliaments are ...and onto JSA

thus saving the country about £20 per claiment

great if you are a daily mail reading goose stepping nazi but not so great if your income is cut by 25 percent and the drop in income puts your flat at risk due to a fall in housing benefit

god help any of the tory tarts on here if they ever get sick

TONY2COATS wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:03

Heathblue® wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 19:35

All you need now is the jobs for them.

And this is the point^^^^. Though I agree sickie pullers should starve to death.

i AGREE TOO TONY BUT THIS SYSTEM ISNT GOING TO WEED THEM OUT

Max Yasgur wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 19:43

A builders labourer who worked for me a few years ago had a brain haemorage & minor stroke a couple of years ago & had to quit manual work & went on incapacity benefit, he recently was examined & was asked could he clench his fist, when he showed them that he could they said that they were signing him off & although he can no longer do physical work he's capable of re-training behind a desk. He's 61 years of age! Another case of clueless toffs who know nothing about working life.

I know of two people who've suffered financial loss as a result of these "tests."

One has cancer and is awaiting two major operations but because he can clench his fist and stand up straight (just) he has been deemed fit for work by some pen pusher with no medical knowledge. His doctor is apoplectic with rage over this as he, correctly, deems him unfit for work.

But our "we're all in this together" government would rather listen to unqualified individuals working for private sector companies, with targets to reach, than a qualified medical practitioner.

As Sludge points out, a high percentage are overturned on appeal. As cost is all that matters to the Conservative Party I wonder how much all these appeals (there are thousands) is costing?

It really is a scandel with all three main parties guilty of pandering to the Daily Mail types like Croesy. Shame on you.

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

Thers a back log in appeals,its costing the country £50 million it was on the beeb today.

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:19

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

And then some, surely he'd be worth 2 of everyone else.

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

the answer to this is quite simple

invest more money in the over stretched fraud teams who can easily catch the lead swingers through cameras , bank details work etc...easy peasy to catch cleaners at work , builders on roofs who are " suffering " with bad backs

landlords are also involved in this renting out houses and making multiple sickness claims for those sometimes not even living there ...easy enough to clamp down on this

but that isnt enough for the wolves like creosy

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:19

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

Croesy has cherry picked the article
39% of the decisions are overturned at a appeal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:19

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

Croesy has cherry picked the article
39% of the decisions are overturned at a appeal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:23

the answer to this is quite simple

invest more money in the over stretched fraud teams who can easily catch the lead swingers through cameras , bank details work etc...easy peasy to catch cleaners at work , builders on roofs who are " suffering " with bad backs

landlords are also involved in this renting out houses and making multiple sickness claims for those sometimes not even living there ...easy enough to clamp down on this

but that isnt enough for the wolves like creosy

Surely it would be a bit of a waste of resources to hone Fraud squad on filming lead swingers?

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:22

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:19

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

Croesy has cherry picked the article
39% of the decisions are overturned at a appeal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

he always does that


sees a tory boy headline , then forgets to read it before linking

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:22

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:19

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

Croesy has cherry picked the article
39% of the decisions are overturned at a appeal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

This fact is frightening. Capita are working for a bonus - but at least 39% of the people refused have won an appeal. How many people haven't appealed because they don't know how to? Quite a shocking statistic - 39% of the people refused are incorrectly refused. And these 39% are costing the Government more than if they had been left alone. I hope Capita get a fine for this remarkable cock-up. Those poor people, no benefits whilst awaiting appeal - what is it doing to their already fragile health?

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:25

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:22

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:19

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

Croesy has cherry picked the article
39% of the decisions are overturned at a appeal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

This fact is frightening. Capita are working for a bonus - but at least 39% of the people refused have won an appeal. How many people haven't appealed because they don't know how to? Quite a shocking statistic - 39% of the people refused are incorrectly refused. And these 39% are costing the Government more than if they had been left alone. I hope Capita get a fine for this remarkable cock-up. Those poor people, no benefits whilst awaiting appeal - what is it doing to their already fragile health?

whilst on appeal your benefit is kept in place but at job seekers rate , I think thats the latest

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:27

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:25

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:22

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:19

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:14

dandywarhol wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:13

Lets hope croesy doesn't grow old or become ill.
The Monmouthshire air is pretty polluated these days.

NO , LETS HOPE HE GETS OLD AND ILL VERY QUICKLY

Croesy wouldn't claim a penny if he did. Such a fine upstanding member of society such as he.

I reckon he would go for the lot the scrounging get

Croesy has cherry picked the article
39% of the decisions are overturned at a appeal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14280849

This fact is frightening. Capita are working for a bonus - but at least 39% of the people refused have won an appeal. How many people haven't appealed because they don't know how to? Quite a shocking statistic - 39% of the people refused are incorrectly refused. And these 39% are costing the Government more than if they had been left alone. I hope Capita get a fine for this remarkable cock-up. Those poor people, no benefits whilst awaiting appeal - what is it doing to their already fragile health?

whilst on appeal your benefit is kept in place but at job seekers rate , I think thats the latest

It's still shocking though isn't it? They are getting it wrong at least 39% of the time. Could it also be argued that 39% of bogus claimants are slipping through this holey net too?

The government hires a private profit making company (Atos) to assess people for disability allowance.

Atos is paid a £300 bonus (taxpayers money) by the government for every person it removes off disability benefit.

Have we been able to work out why Croesyblue is such a c[u]nt yet?

Have we been able to work out why Croesyblue is such a c[u]nt yet?

Dark Horse wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:36

The government hires a private profit making company (Atos) to assess people for disability allowance.

Atos is paid a £300 bonus (taxpayers money) by the government for every person it removes off disability benefit.

Is it ATOS or Capita?