Another bollocks thread by Mr cut and paste the daily mail website.

I don't agree with Croesy yet he must be given credit for being consistent.

He believes everyone is capable of some form of work. Those lying on their deathbeds and paraplegics could lick envelopes, while people who get about with walking sticks should have spikes attached to them to collect litter.

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

Organ Morgan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:04

I don't agree with Croesy yet he must be given credit for being consistent.

He believes everyone is capable of some form of work. Those lying on their deathbeds and paraplegics could lick envelopes, while people who get about with walking sticks should have spikes attached to them to collect litter.

People in wheelchairs could take someone on their lap, and/or have a sidecar.

It could cut down on the number of buses the state would have to waste their money too...imagine how many wheelchair users there are in the UK. If they doubled up and sat on their laps thats already half the number of wheelchairs for the nhs

gabbsthenewt wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:11

Organ Morgan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:04

I don't agree with Croesy yet he must be given credit for being consistent.

He believes everyone is capable of some form of work. Those lying on their deathbeds and paraplegics could lick envelopes, while people who get about with walking sticks should have spikes attached to them to collect litter.

People in wheelchairs could take someone on their lap, and/or have a sidecar.

It could cut down on the number of buses the state would have to waste their money too...imagine how many wheelchair users there are in the UK. If they doubled up and sat on their laps thats already half the number of wheelchairs for the nhs

You could charge them roadtax too.

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

gabbsthenewt wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:11

Organ Morgan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:04

I don't agree with Croesy yet he must be given credit for being consistent.

He believes everyone is capable of some form of work. Those lying on their deathbeds and paraplegics could lick envelopes, while people who get about with walking sticks should have spikes attached to them to collect litter.

People in wheelchairs could take someone on their lap, and/or have a sidecar.

It could cut down on the number of buses the state would have to waste their money too...imagine how many wheelchair users there are in the UK. If they doubled up and sat on their laps thats already half the number of wheelchairs for the nhs

You could charge them roadtax too.

AND SEND THEM TO PRISON IF THEY WERE NOT INSURED !!

AND SEIZE THE WHEELCHAIR !!

an aquaintance of mine was tested and taken off incapacity benefit and put on jobseekers allowance so his income dropped by £28 per week, this put him in a position where he could not afford what he had left on his motgage payments, he became homeless due to a £28 per week government saving, now they foot the bill for him to stay at an hotel at a cost of £380 per week,and he still gets jobseekers allowance, it dont make sense.

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

gabbsthenewt wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:11

Organ Morgan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:04

I don't agree with Croesy yet he must be given credit for being consistent.

He believes everyone is capable of some form of work. Those lying on their deathbeds and paraplegics could lick envelopes, while people who get about with walking sticks should have spikes attached to them to collect litter.

People in wheelchairs could take someone on their lap, and/or have a sidecar.

It could cut down on the number of buses the state would have to waste their money too...imagine how many wheelchair users there are in the UK. If they doubled up and sat on their laps thats already half the number of wheelchairs for the nhs

You could charge them roadtax too.

AND SEND THEM TO PRISON IF THEY WERE NOT INSURED !!

AND SEIZE THE WHEELCHAIR !!

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:15

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

gabbsthenewt wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:11

Organ Morgan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:04

I don't agree with Croesy yet he must be given credit for being consistent.

He believes everyone is capable of some form of work. Those lying on their deathbeds and paraplegics could lick envelopes, while people who get about with walking sticks should have spikes attached to them to collect litter.

People in wheelchairs could take someone on their lap, and/or have a sidecar.

It could cut down on the number of buses the state would have to waste their money too...imagine how many wheelchair users there are in the UK. If they doubled up and sat on their laps thats already half the number of wheelchairs for the nhs

You could charge them roadtax too.

AND SEND THEM TO PRISON IF THEY WERE NOT INSURED !!

AND SEIZE THE WHEELCHAIR !!

Then you could smelt them down into battering sticks to lay into the riff raff down the job centre

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

With a description like that, obviously CitySince 76' was given a transcript of the meeting, duh. That's how he knows the details of meetings and benefits.

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

gabbsthenewt wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:16

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:15

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

gabbsthenewt wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:11

Organ Morgan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:04

I don't agree with Croesy yet he must be given credit for being consistent.

He believes everyone is capable of some form of work. Those lying on their deathbeds and paraplegics could lick envelopes, while people who get about with walking sticks should have spikes attached to them to collect litter.

People in wheelchairs could take someone on their lap, and/or have a sidecar.

It could cut down on the number of buses the state would have to waste their money too...imagine how many wheelchair users there are in the UK. If they doubled up and sat on their laps thats already half the number of wheelchairs for the nhs

You could charge them roadtax too.

AND SEND THEM TO PRISON IF THEY WERE NOT INSURED !!

AND SEIZE THE WHEELCHAIR !!

Then you could smelt them down into battering sticks to lay into the riff raff down the job centre

AND ANYONE DOWN THE JOB CENTRE IS OBVIOUSLY ON THE FIDDLE SO BATTER THEM , THEN SEND THEM TO PRISON TOO !!

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

think he meant £400 earnings from playing the fiddle on queen St, ( busker type)

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

but he was earning 400 pw in CASH fiddling plus he had full benefits on top - i actually know him .

Surely a fella as intelligent as croesy would know that it was his beloved tory party that introduced incapacity benefits in the 80's to fudge the unemplyment figures.

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

but he was earning 400 pw in CASH fiddling plus he had full benefits on top - i actually know him .

Fila Bj wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:21

Surely a fella as intelligent as croesy would know that it was his beloved tory party that introduced incapacity benefits in the 80's to fudge the unemplyment figures.

Ding ding

Mods stop the thread, too much punishment.

Kaiser Jirga II wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:23

Fila Bj wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:21

Surely a fella as intelligent as croesy would know that it was his beloved tory party that introduced incapacity benefits in the 80's to fudge the unemplyment figures.

Ding ding

Mods stop the thread, too much punishment.

this is an horrific beating

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:20

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

but he was earning 400 pw in CASH fiddling plus he had full benefits on top - i actually know him .

What FULL benefits ?

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:25

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:20

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:12

CitySince 76' wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:09

This guy i know of has been on the 'sick' for last 12 years at least. When summoned to turn up at ATOS for his assesments he turns up wearing a small folded tin foil hat - wont look directly at the Dr -and will only communicate through his sister(whos obviously in on it) because of the voices in his head !! WTF !! He is on full benefits because of this but still able to fiddle like a fiddlers elbow and was earning in excess of £400 p/w cash and cruising around in a range rover !! Makes you puke . System does need a shake up me finks.

ME THINKS S OMEONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FIBS

HOW WOULD HE EARN 400 A WEEK ON BENEFITS IF HES SINGLE ?

but he was earning 400 pw in CASH fiddling plus he had full benefits on top - i actually know him .

What FULL benefits ?

Sludgie, whatever reforms the ConDems introduce then the Labour Party will retain because they have the same agenda and are wholly owned by the same interests.

Those found fit for work will end up on JSA then be compelled to attend useless courses and forced on to mandatory work programmes (for Tesco, Poundland, etc) at no cost to the partipating companies. They will get free labour and the jobseekers will work for nothing except their dole money. Should they refuse, they'll be sanctioned for months on end and get nowt.

When the Universal Credit is introduced, Housing Benefit will be included so those unemployed who rely on that for a roof over their heads will also risk homelessness unless they tug their forelocks at all times. They will be the slave class.

my mate has already said he will just vanish into the black economy and work for cash in hand on the days he feels well enough to work

hes got arthritis


so instead of a person having the time to take care of his health he will break the law by not paying tax or declaring income for a few days a week and make his chronic condition worse

all so he has enough to have beans on toast

good old tories

Surely a fella as intelligent as croesy would know that it was his beloved tory party that introduced incapacity benefits in the 80's to fudge the unemplyment figures.

Fila Bj wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 21:21

Surely a fella as intelligent as croesy would know that it was his beloved tory party that introduced incapacity benefits in the 80's to fudge the unemplyment figures.

Yes it was.

And Labour rushed to abolish them when it came to power and introduce a better system didn't they?


Oh hang on no, they brought in ESA and thse infamous tests.

Didn't they?

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:18

my mate has already said he will just vanish into the black economy and work for cash in hand on the days he feels well enough to work

hes got arthritis


so instead of a person having the time to take care of his health he will break the law by not paying tax or declaring income for a few days a week and make his chronic condition worse

all so he has enough to have beans on toast

good old tories

I fully agree that from the evidence the tests are being applied too rigidly.

It is of course made worse by the fact that it is now being applied to everybody eventually whereas previously tests were done on a random basis as it still is for DLA..

And there have been some horror stories on that system as well under both administrations.

I had to fill in my wife's DLA renewal a few years and it was a nightmare. Looking on the web it was obvious that the DWP did their level best to find something on the form so they could turn it down.

I managd to find a good site on the web which went through the form bit by bit and gave advice on what to say and what not to say. I did nottll lis on th form jsut made sur I phrased my wording on my wifes various problews carefully.

Still took me ages. That was in about 2005

This new system and the teste were of course brought in by the previous administration and whilst I agree that the tories have accelerated the process and have still not satisfactorily refined the teste, I have little doubt that a new Labour adminstration would have done exactly the same as the tories with the revised Incapacity benefit (or whatever it is called these days)

So when you say good old tories Sludge you really mean good old politicians of all parties.

Most decent humans (very few Tories then..) would expect a civilised and caring society, and its systems, to help out those who genuinely need help.

We all know there will always be a few fekkers who will want to try to abuse the system.

What may well be going one here, is that the Country is in sh1t street after having blown lifetimes of budget on apparently unjust wars, and bailing out badly run banks.

So someone has to pay.

Now, if a subtle campaign is introduced - with the help of certain newspapers (Daily Mail for one) to make out that all sick people are actually scroungers, that people with special needs 'get everything on a plate', and that most 'immigrants live in the lap of luxury in grand houses', then it will make it easier to gain 'public support' for wholesale and indiscriminate stripping of welfare for people who need a bit of our care and help.

While the debts were not drummed up under the ConDems, it is a typically Tory method of sorting out a Governmental challenge.

OK, so Fekkers who milk the system do exist - sure they do, and they make me even madder because they allow shit newspapers and clammy skinned politicians to offer them up as 'examples'.

Most decent humans (very few Tories then..) would expect a civilised and caring society, and its systems, to help out those who genuinely need help.

We all know there will always be a few fekkers who will want to try to abuse the system.

What may well be going one here, is that the Country is in sh1t street after having blown lifetimes of budget on apparently unjust wars, and bailing out badly run banks.

So someone has to pay.

Now, if a subtle campaign is introduced - with the help of certain newspapers (Daily Mail for one) to make out that all sick people are actually scroungers, that people with special needs 'get everything on a plate', and that most 'immigrants live in the lap of luxury in grand houses', then it will make it easier to gain 'public support' for wholesale and indiscriminate stripping of welfare for people who need a bit of our care and help.

While the debts were not drummed up under the ConDems, it is a typically Tory method of sorting out a Governmental challenge.

OK, so Fekkers who milk the system do exist - sure they do, and they make me even madder because they allow shit newspapers and clammy skinned politicians to offer them up as 'examples'.

Elwood Blues wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 01:27

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 20:18

my mate has already said he will just vanish into the black economy and work for cash in hand on the days he feels well enough to work

hes got arthritis


so instead of a person having the time to take care of his health he will break the law by not paying tax or declaring income for a few days a week and make his chronic condition worse

all so he has enough to have beans on toast

good old tories

I fully agree that from the evidence the tests are being applied too rigidly.

It is of course made worse by the fact that it is now being applied to everybody eventually whereas previously tests were done on a random basis as it still is for DLA..

And there have been some horror stories on that system as well under both administrations.

I had to fill in my wife's DLA renewal a few years and it was a nightmare. Looking on the web it was obvious that the DWP did their level best to find something on the form so they could turn it down.

I managd to find a good site on the web which went through the form bit by bit and gave advice on what to say and what not to say. I did nottll lis on th form jsut made sur I phrased my wording on my wifes various problews carefully.

Still took me ages. That was in about 2005

This new system and the teste were of course brought in by the previous administration and whilst I agree that the tories have accelerated the process and have still not satisfactorily refined the teste, I have little doubt that a new Labour adminstration would have done exactly the same as the tories with the revised Incapacity benefit (or whatever it is called these days)

So when you say good old tories Sludge you really mean good old politicians of all parties.

no , when I say the good old tories , thats exactly what I mean

see post below

your little doubt remark shows how little you know about the difference between the two parties

For the sake of utter clarity my view on benefits is as follows:

Those that need / deserve benefits deserve everything they get and more.

NO THEY DONT THEY JUST DESERVE WHAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO

Those that are conning the system, of whom there are a huge amount, need to be identified and required to pay back every penny they have scrounged from the system and every one of these peenies should be given to those that deserve / require benefits.

For the sake of utter clarity I am not against benefits, I am against benefit cheats.

Thank you.

How many of that 39% are people with serious illness or disability? does it include smackheads/pissheads/depression/people with a bad back/arthiritis etc


ARE YOU SAYING ARTHRITIS , DEPRESSION ETC ARE NOT ILLNESSES ?

ARE YOU OK IN THE HEAD ?

So many socialist people are deluded when they say only a few % are illegitimate. My mother and father are both in a pretty bad way (both have arthiritis for years, various surgeries and slipped disc etc etc etc) and in their early 60's and still working, half of my mates parents in their 40's are claiming for bad backs and depression.

My auntie has MS and she is clearly unable to work and of course there are no issues with her. Half the people who live on the estate next to me have not moved off their fat ass for years and still get just as much money, all do a few fiddles (selling dvds, odd garden work, selling weed etc)
Dont want to hear any more socialist bullshit about 1% and then people who disagree are seen as puppets of some right wing newspaper, no one is denying the huge number of legitamate claimants, I have several in my extended family, but I also know that my uncle in London is claiming fraudulently as are half his family.

How many of that 39% are people with serious illness or disability? does it include smackheads/pissheads/depression/people with a bad back/arthiritis etc

So many socialist people are deluded when they say only a few % are illegitimate. My mother and father are both in a pretty bad way (both have arthiritis for years, various surgeries and slipped disc etc etc etc) and in their early 60's and still working, half of my mates parents in their 40's are claiming for bad backs and depression.

My auntie has MS and she is clearly unable to work and of course there are no issues with her. Half the people who live on the estate next to me have not moved off their fat ass for years and still get just as much money, all do a few fiddles (selling dvds, odd garden work, selling weed etc)
Dont want to hear any more socialist bullshit about 1% and then people who disagree are seen as puppets of some right wing newspaper, no one is denying the huge number of legitamate claimants, I have several in my extended family, but I also know that my uncle in London is claiming fraudulently as are half his family.

Croesyblue wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 19:35

For the sake of utter clarity my view on benefits is as follows:

Those that need / deserve benefits deserve everything they get and more.

NO THEY DONT THEY JUST DESERVE WHAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO

Those that are conning the system, of whom there are a huge amount, need to be identified and required to pay back every penny they have scrounged from the system and every one of these peenies should be given to those that deserve / require benefits.

For the sake of utter clarity I am not against benefits, I am against benefit cheats.

Thank you.

PULL THE OTHER ONE SONNY , THIS HAS BEEN THE MOTHER OF ALL LEATHERING

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 19:43

Croesyblue wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 19:35

For the sake of utter clarity my view on benefits is as follows:

Those that need / deserve benefits deserve everything they get and more.

NO THEY DONT THEY JUST DESERVE WHAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO

Those that are conning the system, of whom there are a huge amount, need to be identified and required to pay back every penny they have scrounged from the system and every one of these peenies should be given to those that deserve / require benefits.

For the sake of utter clarity I am not against benefits, I am against benefit cheats.

Thank you.

PULL THE OTHER ONE SONNY , THIS HAS BEEN THE MOTHER OF ALL LEATHERING

People disagreeing / not understanding / making assumptions about my views on life hardly constitues a leathering sonny, only in your warped mind, Sludge.


you have had a right good old fashioned beating on this thread , about 3 posts in support of your silly nonsense , the rest battering you like a slug



I am extremely supportive of a right and proper benefits system; I am utterly opposed to the system that we currenly have where any chancer can choose to live a very decent life on benefits.


cobblers...the only thing you know about the benefits system is what you read in the mail you daft chimp ....less than 1 percent of claims are fraud

Root and branch reform is required in order that those that need support get it and those that don't get there arsed kicked big time

SLUDGE FACTORY wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 19:43

Croesyblue wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 19:35

For the sake of utter clarity my view on benefits is as follows:

Those that need / deserve benefits deserve everything they get and more.

NO THEY DONT THEY JUST DESERVE WHAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO

Those that are conning the system, of whom there are a huge amount, need to be identified and required to pay back every penny they have scrounged from the system and every one of these peenies should be given to those that deserve / require benefits.

For the sake of utter clarity I am not against benefits, I am against benefit cheats.

Thank you.

PULL THE OTHER ONE SONNY , THIS HAS BEEN THE MOTHER OF ALL LEATHERING

People disagreeing / not understanding / making assumptions about my views on life hardly constitues a leathering sonny, only in your warped mind, Sludge.

I am extremely supportive of a right and proper benefits system; I am utterly opposed to the system that we currenly have where any chancer can choose to live a very decent life on benefits.

Root and branch reform is required in order that those that need support get it and those that don't get there arsed kicked big time