Re: Left/right wing clubs
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
http://www.talkceltic.net/forums/thr...-clubs.102493/
Quite an interesting topic.
Cardiff City? I've heard one or two instances of outright racism at games and I get the impression that a lot of the hoolies would've been the demented racist types....but maybe I'm way off.
Like most football fans we inevitably have a lot of decent, fair-thinking types from a working-class, multicultural background as well.
I don't know where how I'd categorize our supporters.
.....probably not as white-power as the jacks I'd imagine.....who judging from the nazi photos have had a bit of a racism problem.
Well 10000-20000 supporters is a decent size cross section for any sort of area and the area historically has voted labour so I'd say we're centre-left/left with obviously the few exceptions.
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You can't generalize, you'll get people from all persuasions following a football team. Down the city I've come across BNP members, socialist workers party members and even one bloke who claimed to be a card carrying member of the revolutionary communist party of Great Britain, whoever they are.
Re: Left/right wing clubs
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Originally Posted by
ian gibson
You can't generalize, you'll get people from all persuasions following a football team. Down the city I've come across BNP members, socialist workers party members and even one bloke who claimed to be a card carrying member of the revolutionary communist party of Great Britain, whoever they are.
There do however appear to be certain clubs that generally identify with a certain philosophy.
I was just wondering whether or not historically the club has had any connections to any movements or political groups. I think it's clear that nowadays, Cardiff City has a pretty homogenate fan culture , very similar to what you'd see at dozens of other clubs across the leagues.
I don't know why but I've always had it in my mind that Burnley were quite racist. Over here in Spain, Zaragoza have quite a bad rep for racism, but then again I think the culture of respect in certain european leagues (and society as a whole) is way lacking.
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I was told a story about Bristol rovers fans at Ipswich back in the seventies when the NF were gaining support amongst some football fans. During the match rovers fans started chanting "National Front, National Front" to which the Ipswich fans responded with "Ipswich lives in racial harmony" :hehe:
Re: Left/right wing clubs
Swansea do seem to have a notable seam of Right-Wing / EDL / Nazi element.
Re: Left/right wing clubs
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
http://www.talkceltic.net/forums/thr...-clubs.102493/
Quite an interesting topic.
Cardiff City? I've heard one or two instances of outright racism at games and I get the impression that a lot of the hoolies would've been the demented racist types....but maybe I'm way off.
Like most football fans we inevitably have a lot of decent, fair-thinking types from a working-class, multicultural background as well.
I don't know where how I'd categorize our supporters.
.....probably not as white-power as the jacks I'd imagine.....who judging from the nazi photos have had a bit of a racism problem.
I'm not sure more than a handful of clubs in the UK have any sort of common fan ideology. Celtic and Rangers obviously do but for the rest it's pretty much irrelevant. In Simon Kuper's excellent Football Against The Enemy book there is a chapter on Scottish football and mentions how Celtic and Rangers fans can name the religious affiliation of any club in the English system! All in their heads of course.
Obviously Swansea have had a bit of a far-right reputation but I think it's usually down to who is most vocal among a club's fans. If the ones who want their face known happen to be EDL types then that's the reputation the club can get even if it's only a handful.
When I first started going to NP in the early 90s there was a real Socialist Worker vibe from a chunk of fans but I think that's just what was the style for angry young men who felt forgotten by the Tories. Nowadays the same sort of angry young men blame immigrants. Just another outlet. Even if Cardiff voted Remain.
Re: Left/right wing clubs
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Originally Posted by
ian gibson
You can't generalize, you'll get people from all persuasions following a football team. Down the city I've come across BNP members, socialist workers party members and even one bloke who claimed to be a card carrying member of the revolutionary communist party of Great Britain, whoever they are.
I'd agree with that.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I'd agree with that.
Exactly, that is why that list is a load of old tosh. the only Club (as in club, not just fans) that i know of being truly left wing is Rayo vallecano from the Republic of Vallecas in Spain.
Re: Left/right wing clubs
Some interesting views on these threads (and some wacky ones too):
http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/...otball.947967/
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/ind...topic=205565.0
It would still be hard to top St. Paulis mix of dockers, prostitutes, anarchists, transvestites and ordinary working class people from a blue-collar enclave like St Pauli. Their hardcore fans are either anarchists or far left socialists and the broad mass would be SPD with some Linke. The whole club culture is alien to right wingers.
And YouGov survey of EPL fans:
https://twitter.com/olivercooper/sta...50935955619840
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Interesting to note that Swansea, Sunderland and Burnley voters all went for Leave in referendum despite identifying as 'left wing'.
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Originally Posted by
BR1 Bluebird
Interesting to note that Swansea, Sunderland and Burnley voters all went for Leave in referendum despite identifying as 'left wing'.
Does voting leave mean you're right wing?
Re: Left/right wing clubs
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Originally Posted by
ian gibson
You can't generalize, you'll get people from all persuasions following a football team. Down the city I've come across BNP members, socialist workers party members and even one bloke who claimed to be a card carrying member of the revolutionary communist party of Great Britain, whoever they are.
my guess is Archibald Leitch
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
Does voting leave mean you're right wing?
That's my point. It's in theory a right wing agenda because so much of it is wrapped up in the things the hard right despise: taxes, money going to other countries and foreigners within our borders.
Yet a hell of a lot of people who consider themselves left-wing also wanted to leave.
Edit: basically just because all racists (by definition they have to be right wing) voted Leave doesn't mean everyone who voted Leave is a racist or can't identify as left wing.
Re: Left/right wing clubs
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Originally Posted by
BR1 Bluebird
That's my point. It's in theory a right wing agenda because so much of it is wrapped up in the things the hard right despise: taxes, money going to other countries and foreigners within our borders.
Yet a hell of a lot of people who consider themselves left-wing also wanted to leave.
Edit: basically just because all racists (by definition they have to be right wing) voted Leave doesn't mean everyone who voted Leave is a racist or can't identify as left wing.
:hehe: I know what you mean.
I find all the EDL, BNP and Britain First lot voted leave because they thought "da muzlims wud stop cmng ova" without even looking at any other policy or have any knowledge of the consequences of leaving.
Re: Left/right wing clubs
There are few clubs that unite behind a particular philosophy (St Pauli, Rayo Vallecano), however you could probably take a guess at which way a club's fanbase would tend to lean based on area
Re: Left/right wing clubs
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
http://www.talkceltic.net/forums/thr...-clubs.102493/
Quite an interesting topic.
Cardiff City? I've heard one or two instances of outright racism at games and
I get the impression that a lot of the hoolies would've been the demented racist types....but maybe I'm way off.
Like most football fans we inevitably have a lot of decent, fair-thinking types from a working-class, multicultural background as well.
I don't know where how I'd categorize our supporters.
.....probably not as white-power as the jacks I'd imagine.....who judging from the nazi photos have had a bit of a racism problem.
Didn't the "Soul Crew" run the EDL out of town a year or two ago?
Re: Left/right wing clubs
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
:hehe: I know what you mean.
I find all the EDL, BNP and Britain First lot voted leave because they thought "da muzlims wud stop cmng ova" without even looking at any other policy or have any knowledge of the consequences of leaving.
TAKE BAK CONTUL M8
Re: Left/right wing clubs
I was expecting a thread about players like Noone who are left footed but their managers mostly
play them on the right.:ohwell:
Re: Left/right wing clubs
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Originally Posted by
BlueWales
I was expecting a thread about players like Noone who are left footed but their managers mostly
play them on the right.:ohwell:
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...45/018/274.jpg
Re: Left/right wing clubs
Surprised nobody has mentioned any Italian clubs notably Livorno who are extremely left wing and Lazio who have paid homage to Arkan the Serbian general responsible for war crimes.
http://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/01...d-the-fascist/
