More Bloody Tories Expenses
Do they need anymore in life :
https://order-order.com/2023/02/14/t...yvette-cooper/
Since Labour are giving it both barrels on their new Damian McBride-inspired campaign for efficient spending, Guido’s looked through the archives to see how the Shadow Cabinet handled taxpayers’ money when they were in government. A worthwhile effort given they seem to have no issue resurrecting the political career of Douglas Alexander, despite his notorious expense fiddling…
First up, the Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper. At the time of the expense scandal in 2009, Cooper was the DWP Secretary. Her husband, professional dancer Ed Balls, was the Children’s Secretary. Together, the pair were investigated for flipping the designation of their second home three times within the space of just two years. In total, they claimed £24,400 on their second-home allowance, more than the £23,000 allotted to individual MPs…
While the standards commissioner ultimately ruled the claims were above board because they had paid (ouch) capital gains following their move, the pair were later forced to repay £1,363 each for a mortgage overpayment. Nonetheless, the taxpayer still footed the £2,000 bill for removal men to haul the couple’s furniture around London – and, according to the Telegraph, “submitted regular claims for food, usually totalling up to £600 a month”. The maximum food allowance for a single MP was £400. Not to mention the £225 Cooper spent on a digital camera, and £1,200 on 30,000 calendars. At the time, Cooper and Balls were both on salaries of £141,866 a year…
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It's almost as if one party isn't inherently better or morally superior to another. Who would have thought it?!
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What's this telling us exactly?
Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls didn't individually claim the maximum amount that they were entitled to as MPs.
The narrative has been twisted to show that, as a *pair* of MPs, their claims totalled more than the maximum amount of entitlement for a *single* MP.
Are there any arguments that it says something else that has led to James and Life on Mars thinking that this is some sort of 'gotcha' piece?
On this topic, most of the expenses MPs are entitled to are disgusting and shouldn't be required.
Travel costs (for work) and subsidised housing within a short travelling distance to Westminster are the only two expenses that they should be able to receive (in my humble opinion).
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Tito Fuente
What's this telling us exactly?
Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls didn't individually claim the maximum amount that they were entitled to as MPs.
The narrative has been twisted to show that, as a *pair* of MPs, their claims totalled more than the maximum amount of entitlement for a *single* MP.
Are there any arguments that it says something else that has led to James and Life on Mars thinking that this is some sort of 'gotcha' piece?
On this topic, most of the expenses MPs are entitled to are disgusting and shouldn't be required.
Travel costs (for work) and subsidised housing within a short travelling distance to Westminster are the only two expenses that they should be able to receive (in my humble opinion).
I don't think it's a gotcha piece.
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JamesWales
I don't think it's a gotcha piece.
And yet, commenting on the piece: "It's almost as if one party isn't inherently better or morally superior to another. Who would have thought it?!"
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Tito Fuente
And yet, commenting on the piece: "It's almost as if one party isn't inherently better or morally superior to another. Who would have thought it?!"
It's Guido Fawkes whataboutery. When they resort to this we know they're scared.
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Dorcus
It's Guido Fawkes whataboutery. When they resort to this we know they're scared.
Yep, the Tories, and their lackeys on here, have got nothing left except to sling mud and fight culture wars - that clown Lee Anderson admitted as much last week.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2282185.html
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Dorcus
It's Guido Fawkes whataboutery. When they resort to this we know they're scared.
Guido is just a right wing anti Labour scurrilous online rag, not to be taken seriously.
Run by a scumbag called Paul Staines, a multiple convicted drink driver.
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This was a response to a rather half-arsed Labour foray on promiscuous use of Government Procurement cards and people like Greg Hands staying in £700 a night hotels when attending foreign meetings.
I think the sins here were pretty minor given we are dealing with a series of the same government that has long since raised the capacity to shock bar to stellar heights. As far as I can see no one on here raised an eyebrow when Labour made their play.
Didn't stop Whatabboutery International making a weekend play for attention though!
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Originally Posted by
Tito Fuente
What's this telling us exactly?
Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls didn't individually claim the maximum amount that they were entitled to as MPs.
The narrative has been twisted to show that, as a *pair* of MPs, their claims totalled more than the maximum amount of entitlement for a *single* MP.
Are there any arguments that it says something else that has led to James and Life on Mars thinking that this is some sort of 'gotcha' piece?
On this topic, most of the expenses MPs are entitled to are disgusting and shouldn't be required.
Travel costs (for work) and subsidised housing within a short travelling distance to Westminster are the only two expenses that they should be able to receive (in my humble opinion).
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cyril evans awaydays
This was a response to a rather half-arsed Labour foray on promiscuous use of Government Procurement cards and people like Greg Hands staying in £700 a night hotels when attending foreign meetings.
I think the sins here were pretty minor given we are dealing with a series of the same government that has long since raised the capacity to shock bar to stellar heights. As far as I can see no one on here raised an eyebrow when Labour made their play.
Didn't stop Whatabboutery International making a weekend play for attention though!
A former Labour MP was jailed a week or two ago for fraud, fiddling expenses. Someone posts another story here and the immediate responses are whataboutery.
Whens your birthday? I may buy you a mirror.
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Originally Posted by
Tito Fuente
What's this telling us exactly?
Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls didn't individually claim the maximum amount that they were entitled to as MPs.
The narrative has been twisted to show that, as a *pair* of MPs, their claims totalled more than the maximum amount of entitlement for a *single* MP.
Are there any arguments that it says something else that has led to James and Life on Mars thinking that this is some sort of 'gotcha' piece?
On this topic, most of the expenses MPs are entitled to are disgusting and shouldn't be required.
Travel costs (for work) and subsidised housing within a short travelling distance to Westminster are the only two expenses that they should be able to receive (in my humble opinion).
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Claude Blue
Guido is just a right wing anti Labour scurrilous online rag, not to be taken seriously.
Run by a scumbag called Paul Staines, a multiple convicted drink driver.
Excellent distraction tactics!
Guido Fawkes skewers Tory MPs all the time. It's not a bad thing to read as part of a balanced media diet and it will always provide links and sources. Editorially it has a clear slant, but that isn't in favour of any particular party.
If Labour are presenting themselves as holiar than though on some things, then why shouldn't they be exposed?
They may be the next govt of the UK. What's wrong with the media presenting these stories?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, no?
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JamesWales
A former Labour MP was jailed a week or two ago for fraud, fiddling expenses. Someone posts another story here and the immediate responses are whataboutery.
Whens your birthday? I may buy you a mirror.
I would have thought the merits or otherwise of Labour's campaign on the use of public money would have been an appropriate topic to raise or trash. As I said I think at best it is throwing another small log on the bonfire of misuse of public funds most starkly characterised by the VIP Covid Procurement lane.
But the reaction of a fourth rate wind-up artist was to post a bit of Guido whataboutery from 14 years ago as a bit of whataboutery.
When's your birthday. I may buy some sand for you to bury your head in.
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JamesWales
Excellent distraction tactics!
Guido Fawkes skewers Tory MPs all the time. It's not a bad thing to read as part of a balanced media diet and it will always provide links and sources. Editorially it has a clear slant, but that isn't in favour of any particular party.
If Labour are presenting themselves as holiar than though on some things, then why shouldn't they be exposed?
They may be the next govt of the UK. What's wrong with the media presenting these stories?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, no?
What has this specific piece exposed that warranted your initial response?
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Parliament like the Senedd and house of Haggis in Scotland - it's like a club - where people go to feather their nests (albeit on the edge of legality and sometimes illegality) - If you ever watched the channel 4 doc on how the journalists involved broke the story - it's well worth a watch. Plenty more goes on down the Bay - it's just never scrutinised that much - other than at a welsh govt level (like the airport money or the farm that Drakeford and Co decided to buy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWH0ang_fBU
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Claude Blue
Guido is just a right wing anti Labour scurrilous online rag, not to be taken seriously.
Run by a scumbag called Paul Staines, a multiple convicted drink driver.
So it's a lie, thanks for heads up let's hope the rag gets sued and for this untruth ..
Given Rachel Reeves will be handling the public purse if Labour win the next election, you’d hope she’s at least responsible enough with her own finances to manage her MPs expenses card. Not so much…
In 2015, Reeves was one of nineteen MPs to have her official credit card suspended by IPSA after racking up £4,033.63 in invalid expense spending – the third-highest sum of all nineteen listed. According to the Guardian, she cleared her outstanding debts soon afterwards. Guido has contacted Reeves’ office for an explanation. Radio silence so far…
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JamesWales
A former Labour MP was jailed a week or two ago for fraud, fiddling expenses. Someone posts another story here and the immediate responses are whataboutery.
Whens your birthday? I may buy you a mirror.
Yey Sheffields finest..
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Guess who not right wing rag . Just a left wing worthless rag, was it done on expensives.
The disgraced Labour MP today stepped down as chairman the Home Affairs committee that investigates vice and drugs in the wake of the Sunday Mirror’s explosive revelations about his meeting male escorts.
But there are growing calls for the married dad-of-two to quit after he paid two young escorts for sex at his £387,500 London flat.
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life on mars
Guess who not right wing rag . Just a left wing worthless rag, was it done on expensives.
The disgraced Labour MP today stepped down as chairman the Home Affairs committee that investigates vice and drugs in the wake of the Sunday Mirror’s explosive revelations about his meeting male escorts.
But there are growing calls for the married dad-of-two to quit after he paid two young escorts for sex at his £387,500 London flat.
Sounds like Keith Vaz from about ten years ago, if not more.
All you’re doing is proving how desperate the Conservative Party has become, they’ve nothing new to say, they’ve no real policies following the failure of the economic model they’ve peddled for forty years and they’re never happier than when they’re, still, arguing about Europe. Oh, and they are still using that line from fifty years ago about Labour being in the hands of the unions :hehe:
You seriously have to wonder about the sanity of people who still back the Tories after all that’s happened in the past four years, but then again, I suppose it all pales into insignificance for you compared to Sir Kier’s beer doesn’t it.
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the other bob wilson
Sounds like Keith Vaz from about ten years ago, if not more.
All you’re doing is proving how desperate the Conservative Party has become, they’ve nothing new to say, they’ve no real policies following the failure of the economic model they’ve peddled for forty years and they’re never happier than when they’re, still, arguing about Europe. Oh, and they are still using that line from fifty years ago about Labour being in the hands of the unions :hehe:
You seriously have to wonder about the sanity of people who still back the Tories after all that’s happened in the past four years, but then again, I suppose it all pales into insignificance for you compared to Sir Kier’s beer doesn’t it.
No one is insane or otherwise. It's just different approaches and opinions, and that's all fine. As it goes, nearly every western govt in power during Covid has either been voted out or is well down in the polls, so there's a bit of a trend for punishing covid govts at the moment, and perhaps that's fair too. People want change on the back of bad periods.
As a general rule, if it is fair to heavily scrutinize Tory expenses etc (and it is) then it is also fair to do it about the party currently most likely to win the next general election.
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the other bob wilson
Sounds like Keith Vaz from about ten years ago, if not more.
All you’re doing is proving how desperate the Conservative Party has become, they’ve nothing new to say, they’ve no real policies following the failure of the economic model they’ve peddled for forty years and they’re never happier than when they’re, still, arguing about Europe. Oh, and they are still using that line from fifty years ago about Labour being in the hands of the unions :hehe:
You seriously have to wonder about the sanity of people who still back the Tories after all that’s happened in the past four years, but then again, I suppose it all pales into insignificance for you compared to Sir Kier’s beer doesn’t it.
It always amazes me that people think their version politics is the 'best and only' type of political idea, and if only people would listen to them, then party x would save the day. Left wingers - just shout and rant and think whoever shouts the loudest is the most honest. Right wingers dont rant as much - but use sarcasm a hell of a lot more and appear somewhat aloof. Lib Dems ,like the lefties get stuck on trans issue. SNP going down a similar route (or maybe not if the anti gay marriage 'woman' gets in.
One single central rule always seems to apply though - they are in it to make themselves considerably richer - just by talking themselves up. No politician should be allowed to run for office - unless they have actually had experience of running a company, there should be no health minister - that isnt medically trained.
Keith Vaz - wasnt he the chairman of the ethics committee ? - whilst taking ketamine and propositioning rent boys....
That nutter Labour MP from Sheffield who was jailed last week for expense fraud. There was the other Labour MP who employed his son and diddled expenses - also jailed.
Elliot Morley (Labour - jailed)
Chris Hume (lib dems) I think he was jailed for perjury and his wife.
jeffery Archer (Tory Jailed)
Johnathan Aitkin (Tory Jailed)
Eric Illsey (Labour jailed - expenses)
Jim Devine (Labour - jailed expenses)
David Chayter (Jailed - Labour)
There seems to be a lot more Labour than Tories when I checked - probably a Thatcher conspiracy plot from the Davos eleite.
Whoever you vote for - nothing much will change - The Tories at 12 years in power is too long , Labour at the Welsh Assembly will have been in power for 26 years come the next election - that is way way too long.
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pipster
It always amazes me that people think their version politics is the 'best and only' type of political idea, and if only people would listen to them, then party x would save the day. Left wingers - just shout and rant and think whoever shouts the loudest is the most honest. Right wingers dont rant as much - but use sarcasm a hell of a lot more and appear somewhat aloof. Lib Dems ,like the lefties get stuck on trans issue. SNP going down a similar route (or maybe not if the anti gay marriage 'woman' gets in.
One single central rule always seems to apply though - they are in it to make themselves considerably richer - just by talking themselves up. No politician should be allowed to run for office - unless they have actually had experience of running a company, there should be no health minister - that isnt medically trained.
Keith Vaz - wasnt he the chairman of the ethics committee ? - whilst taking ketamine and propositioning rent boys....
That nutter Labour MP from Sheffield who was jailed last week for expense fraud. There was the other Labour MP who employed his son and diddled expenses - also jailed.
Elliot Morley (Labour - jailed)
Chris Hume (lib dems) I think he was jailed for perjury and his wife.
jeffery Archer (Tory Jailed)
Johnathan Aitkin (Tory Jailed)
Eric Illsey (Labour jailed - expenses)
Jim Devine (Labour - jailed expenses)
David Chayter (Jailed - Labour)
There seems to be a lot more Labour than Tories when I checked - probably a Thatcher conspiracy plot from the Davos eleite.
Whoever you vote for - nothing much will change - The Tories at 12 years in power is too long , Labour at the Welsh Assembly will have been in power for 26 years come the next election - that is way way too long.
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