Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Originally Posted by IanD

On the news just now, if you in Italy and are over 65 in the worst affected areas, no chance of life-saving care eg heart attack, stroke. Complete lack of IC beds and staff under severe strain.Their health care system can't cope. Boris "wash your hands" Johnson will sort it out, don't worry.

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Those words of "let's spend it on the NHS instead" will come back to bite him on the arse, whether our death rate is 10, 100, 1000 or more.

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

Have an italian work mate she says the situation there is much worse than what we are being told.

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Fascinating. Did she provide proof, are you going to elaborate, or is it another one from the rumour mill?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

What is the point you are trying to make?

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He's bonkers and should be kept away from the internet for his own good!

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

What is the point you are trying to make?

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The point I'm trying to make is that although some people like to put graphics up saying comparing it to other diseases which weren't reported in the same way, the fact remains that countries across the world are taking unprecedented steps to combat it which suggests that isn't the media lie that they suggest.

Yes, guy from school on Facebook who never left my home town, congratulations on sharing the fact that you know that flu currently kills a lot more than the coronavirus. I'm going to take more notice of the actions of governments advised by medical experts though ta

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

He's bonkers and should be kept away from the internet for his own good!

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post of the year

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Originally Posted by delmbox

The point I'm trying to make is that although some people like to put graphics up saying comparing it to other diseases which weren't reported in the same way, the fact remains that countries across the world are taking unprecedented steps to combat it which suggests that isn't the media lie that they suggest.

Yes, guy from school on Facebook who never left my home town, congratulations on sharing the fact that you know that flu currently kills a lot more than the coronavirus. I'm going to take more notice of the actions of governments advised by medical experts though ta

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OK, fair enough and I agree that it is pointless comparing this with cancer and diabetes as some are doing.

However, I also agree that the news outlets are not giving out many facts other than number of cases, number of deaths. Number of recoveries is also important.

Also, I'd like to hear more from those that have recovered. Were they very sick, were they not sick at all?

And, I'd like to know more about the cases in Italy, are people's symptoms getting worse - i.e. is the illness mutating. The death rate in Italy is 39% of closed cases, worldwide that is 6% but that is factoring in the Chinese lies, Iranian lies. South Korea is 19%. UK is 25% at the moment. But, is that because we don't consider a person recovered until they test negative etc, or is it because there is something else going on?

Once I get all these sorts of facts, I can make a decision about whether or not this is something I need to lose sleep over.

I also think some countries should be left off these stats because their accuracy is in question.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

OK, fair enough and I agree that it is pointless comparing this with cancer and diabetes as some are doing.

However, I also agree that the news outlets are not giving out many facts other than number of cases, number of deaths. Number of recoveries is also important.

Also, I'd like to hear more from those that have recovered. Were they very sick, were they not sick at all?

And, I'd like to know more about the cases in Italy, are people's symptoms getting worse - i.e. is the illness mutating. The death rate in Italy is 39% of closed cases, worldwide that is 6% but that is factoring in the Chinese lies, Iranian lies. South Korea is 19%. UK is 25% at the moment. But, is that because we don't consider a person recovered until they test negative etc, or is it because there is something else going on?

Once I get all these sorts of facts, I can make a decision about whether or not this is something I need to lose sleep over.

I also think some countries should be left off these stats because their accuracy is in question.

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Italy is on lockdown and you want further proof before you make a decision on whether you should lose any sleep :hehe:

9 more cases in Wales, most linked to a Port Talbot case. 15 cases in Wales, population 3,139,000.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Italy is on lockdown and you want further proof before you make a decision on whether you should lose any sleep :hehe:

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Yes, in short. Why should the action of a single Government make me more or less worried than the actual stats.

For example, someone who tested positive said it was like a cold, another like the flu. The question, why is the death rate so high in Italy is a valid one. Are significantly more older people getting the disease there for example. I could run out and buy loads of loo roll and pasta.

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Originally Posted by fingers

An interesting take on how America are (not) going to cope
https://apple.news/AyuaHQhxeTSuTR9CI0J5cuA

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I heard somewhere earlier that there are only 70 000 testing kits in America - 1 for every 5000 people.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Yes, in short. Why should the action of a single Government make me more or less worried than the actual stats.

For example, someone who tested positive said it was like a cold, another like the flu. The question, why is the death rate so high in Italy is a valid one. Are significantly more older people getting the disease there for example. I could run out and buy loads of loo roll and pasta.

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Health service is crippled by it by the sounds of it. I'm not worried for myself but both my parents are both in the high risk category for various reasons. There hasn't really been any specific advice for more at risk people, it's almost like the government wants them to die off.

Apparantly this virus has a fatty substance.Washing hands with washing up liquid is just as good as soap.Fairy is probably the best because it lasts longer and you can make a rocket out of the bottle.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

I heard somewhere earlier that there are only 70 000 testing kits in America - 1 for every 5000 people.

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A textbook approach according to one specific poster on here.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

9 more cases in Wales, most linked to a Port Talbot case. 15 cases in Wales, population 3,139,000.

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15 cases so far. That have been tested and confirmed.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

A textbook approach according to one specific poster on here.

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You've made the fatal mistake of thinking that governments actually care about its citizens. They only do just enough to keep you paying your taxes and ensuring that you are economically productive. If you want to blame anybody, then blame the people who keep on voting for the same two parties!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You've made the fatal mistake of thinking that governments actually care about its citizens. They only do just enough to keep you paying your taxes and ensuring that you are economically productive. If you want to blame anybody, then blame the people who keep on voting for the same two parties!

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Too right, I mean if they will chuck their own Health Minister under a bus who knows what they will do next.

Forest owner tested positive
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...-millwall-sky/

Israel has the best policy , anyone entering the country has to be a resident , and isolate immediately and no tourists in whilst this exists.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Those words of "let's spend it on the NHS instead" will come back to bite him on the arse, whether our death rate is 10, 100, 1000 or more.

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Dad (91) was 10 hours on a trolley, later on a seat (having been taken into hospital with suspected stroke) before getting a bed late on a (normal) Friday night. Chances are someone will die in a corridor under those circumstances. And that's before CV really hits. NHS "well prepared"? On paper, maybe, but in reality the Demographic Time Bomb has already exploded.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Yes, in short. Why should the action of a single Government make me more or less worried than the actual stats.

For example, someone who tested positive said it was like a cold, another like the flu. The question, why is the death rate so high in Italy is a valid one. Are significantly more older people getting the disease there for example. I could run out and buy loads of loo roll and pasta.

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Italy because they have the oldest population in Europe, 81 average of death rate.

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Originally Posted by goats

Italy because they have the oldest population in Europe, 81 average of death rate.

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Just spoke to my mate who lives in northern Italy, he told me the reason why so many old people have died. When they initially shut the schools all the kids went off to stay with their grandparents so the parents could carry on working. Loads got infected this way apparently which explains a lot. We should isolate the oldies now, stay in if your over 65.

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Originally Posted by goats

Just spoke to my mate who lives in northern Italy, he told me the reason why so many old people have died. When they initially shut the schools all the kids went off to stay with their grandparents so the parents could carry on working. Loads got infected this way apparently which explains a lot. We should isolate the oldies now, stay in if your over 65.

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So if they shut schools in this country where do all the children go. You wouldnt have all the parents stopping working.

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Originally Posted by goats

Just spoke to my mate who lives in northern Italy, he told me the reason why so many old people have died. When they initially shut the schools all the kids went off to stay with their grandparents so the parents could carry on working. Loads got infected this way apparently which explains a lot. We should isolate the oldies now, stay in if your over 65.

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In Italy the kids are carriers?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

A textbook approach according to one specific poster on here.

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There are supposedly 1 million kits for 322 million people. Yet Trump promised anyone could get a test any time they wanted. Stable genius.

These is an article on BBC News on line today about death rates etc. Apparently almost half of the mild caes are never even reported so that means trhe percentage of deaths per numbers of registered illnesses appears to be higher than it really is. apparently this is true in a lot of such outbreaks not just this one.
The other point is that the vast majority of those who die are elderly people who are already suffering from some other condition like diabetes asthma or heart condition. Sensible precautions should allow the vast majority of the population to have no worry. Even those who do get the virus appear to be OK in 5 days or so. Of course we only hear about the worst cases