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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
It's about time the question about what do you think the UK Government has done well in this crisis got another airing. Last time I answered it a few weeks ago, I said getting the Nightingale hospitals up and running so quickly and the furlough scheme - I can't think of anything else to add to the small list at the moment.
Remember that app that was being trialled in the Isle of Wight? I read somewhere today that the locals are saying that its been lost - the track and trace app which was something else that was being hailed as a "game changer" at the beginning of the month has been lost - you have to laugh because you'd cry otherwise.
With South Wales quite possibly being the UK's current hotspot, Welsh Labour has got nothing to be complacent about either - I'm honestly beginning to think the people of the UK would do a better job of tackling Covid 19 if they ignored the politicians and just got on with it themselves.
Politicians ? Once in power they're all pretty much the same. Without wanting to open the current can of worms, Government is a tiny cache of inexperienced individuals surrounded by advisors, quangos, Govt. bodies, Civil Service, the Judiciary - all who run rings around them and stifle change, innovation, and decisive actions. Take the dog out for a long walk and forget about them all..
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Originally Posted by
City123
The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.
I was watching a clip of her at her first election recently. No wonder Jeremy was sha***ng her. A good looking woman.
Not sure were it went wrong for Diane. Despite being highly intelligent she came over rambling in interviews. No doubt the press did a hatchet job and people believe something if its reiterated often enough. A decent and principled woman for all that.
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Originally Posted by
City123
The mental gymnastics required to support this shower are astounding
I might try this approach in my next work appraisal and reply that the other person they interviewed would probably have done even worse.
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Originally Posted by
City123
The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.
Colour doesn't come into it so stop playing the race card it's because she's thick
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Politicians ? Once in power they're all pretty much the same. Without wanting to open the current can of worms, Government is a tiny cache of inexperienced individuals surrounded by advisors, quangos, Govt. bodies, Civil Service, the Judiciary - all who run rings around them and stifle change, innovation, and decisive actions. Take the dog out for a long walk and forget about them all..
So you are blaming the civil servants and scientists for this catastrophe? Not the Tory government who make the final decisions?
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Originally Posted by
City123
The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.
Oh really ? So just because she's the first black female MP, she has a free rein to make racist or anti-white comments in public does she ? "White people like to divide and rule" is one of hers and there are many others if you wish to check. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour regardless of colour so I most certainly do not respect her just because of her status.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Have a you ever heard Diane Abbott interviewed ? I'm merely making the point that her intellect is so low I wouldn't trust her with a paper round let alone running the country.
I am certainly not an apologist for the Tories. I had been a Labour voter all my life until Jezza took over. Brought up that way, more a socialist than a capitalist but the lines have been blurred ever since Blair came to power. However, the dream ticket of Corbyn and McDonnell made me run for the hills and there was no way I would blindly vote for them.
As dour as Gordon Brown was, the man was intellectually gifted. And he had the foresight of not agreeing to adopting the euro as our currency. If for instance it had been a choice of him or Boris, you may have had a point about "would it have been worse under Labour?" But Corbyn et al ? Really ?!!
Abbott read history at Cambridge
Funny how all these Tory apologists were "Labour all their lives"
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Originally Posted by
superflyblues
Yes, the Labour Party got in in New Zealand and their handling of the pandemic has been a total disaster, hasn’t it.
Comparing the Labour party in UK with the Labour party in New Zealand is like comparing Jack the Ripper with a fluffy bunny rabbit. Also, the people who are most vociferous on this forum and the media in general, about criticising the current Government, are the ones who refuse to accept the result of the Brexit vote and the last election, consider anyone who voted for either to be idiots and won't shut up until the will of the British people is ignored and both are reversed. NB to them - the next election isn't until 2024 and by then we will be long shot of the EU and covid-19.
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Originally Posted by
City123
Abbott read history at Cambridge
Funny how all these Tory apologists were "Labour all their lives"
You're a funny man😂
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Oh really ? So just because she's the first black female MP, she has a free rein to make racist or anti-white comments in public does she ? "White people like to divide and rule" is one of hers and there are many others if you wish to check. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour regardless of colour so I most certainly do not respect her just because of her status.
I'm pointing out some relevant facts. She's the country's first female black MP and receives an almost unparalleled level of abuse
She's referring to the British Empire with "White people like to divide and rule", well she's not wrong is she?
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Originally Posted by
City123
I'm pointing out some relevant facts. She's the country's first female black MP and receives an almost unparalleled level of abuse
She's referring to the British Empire with "White people like to divide and rule", well she's not wrong is she?
Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Comparing the Labour party in UK with the Labour party in New Zealand is like comparing Jack the Ripper with a fluffy bunny rabbit
Chalk and cheese clearly just wouldn’t do this difference justice.
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Originally Posted by
Former Labour leader
So you are blaming the civil servants and scientists for this catastrophe? Not the Tory government who make the final decisions?
The catastrophe was probably caused by lax Chinese bio-security. Labour would have been in the same position. Would they have made the same decisions ? Who knows. This Govt. carries the can - that's the responsibility that comes with being in power..
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!
What do you think the UK Government have done well in the Covid 19 crisis?
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
What do you think the UK Government have done well in the Covid 19 crisis?
Absolutely not ! I've already said that Boris and Co. have not covered themselves in glory and I stand by that.
But the post you've responded to is about whether Ms Abbott should be put on a pedestal just because she is the country's first black female MP. I suggest not, given the overtly racist, anti-white comments she has made in the past.
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Personally I am up to here with the politics of the way this crisis hay been handled.
People have died and are still dying because the bunch of people who are supposed to be running the country are out of their depth and don’t know what do next.
I think TOBW above hit the nail. Let the people of the UK get on with doing things the way they want and accept the consequences that arise.
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I never understand people calling Diane Abbot stupid, how many posters on here got into Cambridge?
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
Colour doesn't come into it so stop playing the race card it's because she's thick
What university did you go to mate?
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Oh really ? So just because she's the first black female MP, she has a free rein to make racist or anti-white comments in public does she ? "White people like to divide and rule" is one of hers and there are many others if you wish to check. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour regardless of colour so I most certainly do not respect her just because of her status.
Never underestimate the sensitivity of a white man. No one in the equivalent position has an easier life than the white man yet they can't stop ****ing whinging.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!
In my view there's nothing racist in the statement, although it would be pretty historically inaccurate to claim "black people like to divide and rule" when referring to the tactics of the British Empire.
Why do you feel its racist?
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Never underestimate the sensitivity of a white man. No one in the equivalent position has an easier life than the white man yet they can't stop ****ing whinging.
Yep, another balanced response Croesy Blue. What a gem you are.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Absolutely not ! I've already said that Boris and Co. have not covered themselves in glory and I stand by that.
But the post you've responded to is about whether Ms Abbott should be put on a pedestal just because she is the country's first black female MP. I suggest not, given the overtly racist, anti-white comments she has made in the past.
To be honest, I'm not remotely interested in speculating on how Messrs Corbyn and McDonald and Dianne Abbott would have done, they're all backbenchers now I believe and so what's the point? We have a Government that has overseen a situation where, no matter what stats you look at, the UK compares poorly with the rest of the world and now they've managed to create a situation whereby they are struggling to keep the country on board with their guidelines with many believing they are putting party and personal matters above people's wellbeing.
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Moodybluebird
Yep, another balanced response Croesy Blue. What a gem you are.
It's true mate. Never under estimate how much easier life for us.
It's true you're being a sensitive soul by crying racism too. It wasn't the cleverest thing for her to say, but it doesn't make it wrong.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!
Yes because white people are so oppressed by racial hate :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Comparing the Labour party in UK with the Labour party in New Zealand is like comparing Jack the Ripper with a fluffy bunny rabbit. Also, the people who are most vociferous on this forum and the media in general, about criticising the current Government, are the ones who refuse to accept the result of the Brexit vote and the last election, consider anyone who voted for either to be idiots and won't shut up until the will of the British people is ignored and both are reversed. NB to them - the next election isn't until 2024 and by then we will be long shot of the EU and covid-19.
We wont be long shot of covid 19 if the government response to it is anything to go by
And you think the EU nonsense will sorted by then ?
You have been sold a kipper