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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
And yet the strength of the current UK army ( about 1 or 2 divisions) would last about 3 days in a ground combat operation against Russia or China
If the main ground threat would over run us in 3 days then absolutely no point whatsoever in having an army in respect of a land battle
Tanks , artillery .......bin it all
Pointless playing little boy soldiers
Money is tight , spend it on nuclear deterrent and anti terrorism
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
And yet the strength of the current UK army ( about 1 or 2 divisions) would last about 3 days in a ground combat operation against Russia or China
NATO ensures that it wouldn't simply be the UK v China or Russia.
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
NATO ensures that it wouldn't simply be the UK v China or Russia.
Nato is hopeless
When the crap hits the fan it will be every man for himself
They say that if Ukraine had been in nato they would have been protected
Righteo
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Nato is hopeless
When the crap hits the fan it will be every man for himself
They say that if Ukraine had been in nato they would have been protected
Righteo
Russia has been involved in land grabs (direct or by proxy) in Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova in relatively recent decades whereas other former USSR countries that subsequently joined NATO haven't been. You probably think it's coincidence.
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Russia has been involved in land grabs (direct or by proxy) in Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova in relatively recent decades whereas other former USSR countries that subsequently joined NATO haven't been. You probably think it's coincidence.
I think that a European country was invaded by Russia and everyone whistled and did nothing
NATO is like a tiger with no teeth
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I think that a European country was invaded by Russia and everyone whistled and did nothing
NATO is like a tiger with no teeth
Logic has just passed you by.
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Logic has just passed you by.
There's a nasty man in Russia
We have all these weapons to scare him off
But there are conditions
Which render these weapons absolutely useless and impotent in reality
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
There's a nasty man in Russia
We have all these weapons to scare him off
But there are conditions
Which render these weapons absolutely useless and impotent in reality
Have you noticed that he hasn't invaded any NATO country?
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Have you noticed that he hasn't invaded any NATO country?
The point being that countries that do not or cannot join nato are only helped , if at all , by the back door
It's nonsense and just an arm of America
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The point being that countries that do not or cannot join nato are only helped , if at all , by the back door
It's nonsense and just an arm of America
Your 'point' keeps morphing so I'll give up.
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
in real terms i.e. adjusted for inflation, defence spending is about half what it was in 2007. We have more civil servants in the MoD than sailors in the RN
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Your 'point' keeps morphing so I'll give up.
My point is the true line
Wether we arm Ukraine by the back door or directly Russia has according to the west acted like a bully in americas back yard
And got away with it
What's the point of nato if its only going to defend its own members
It may as well not be there
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Taunton Blue Genie
Have you noticed that he hasn't invaded any NATO country?
How countries has the U.S invaded since 1946 :hehe:
You’re not thinking clearly againAttachment 6155
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
How countries has the U.S invaded since 1946 :hehe:
You’re not thinking clearly again
Attachment 6155
How clever of you to conflate two different things.
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
How clever of you to conflate two different things.
you're talking to the man who believed that there were no births in Italy for 6 months, be kind and remember where the bar is
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
There's a nasty man in Russia
We have all these weapons to scare him off
But there are conditions
Which render these weapons absolutely useless and impotent in reality
No, these scary weapons have probably saved us from a 3rd world war.
But they will not prevent more localised conflicts.
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
No, these scary weapons have probably saved us from a 3rd world war.
But they will not prevent more localised conflicts.
What did these scary weapons do to prevent Russia trying to take over Ukraine?
Nothing
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
What did these scary weapons do to prevent Russia trying to take over Ukraine?
Nothing
I did plainly say that they won't prevent more localised conflicts Sludge!
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
I did plainly say that they won't prevent more localised conflicts Sludge!
Who else, apart from Russia are a threat locally ?
Belgium 🇧🇪?
China are miles away but they are not going to attack us
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
you're talking to the man who believed that there were no births in Italy for 6 months, be kind and remember where the bar is
Irony alert ‼️
:hehe:
Oh my sides :hehe:
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
My point is the true line
Wether we arm Ukraine by the back door or directly Russia has according to the west acted like a bully in americas back yard
And got away with it
What's the point of nato if its only going to defend its own members
It may as well not be there
Whats the point of NATO if it's only going to defend its own members?! Umm
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JamesWales
Whats the point of NATO if it's only going to defend its own members?! Umm
Russia could batter the crap out of a European country not as important as Ukraine and absolutely nothing would be done to stop it
Its a knackered horse
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Russia could batter the crap out of a European country not as important as Ukraine and absolutely nothing would be done to stop it
Its a knackered horse
Well yeah, and they kinda did with Georgia.
But that stresses the benefit of being in NATO doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Well yeah, and they kinda did with Georgia.
But that stresses the benefit of being in NATO doesn't it?
If NATO let's you in and Russia ALLOWS you to apply for membership
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Re: Defence Spending To Go Up ?
military Spend 2023
Belgium: $7.6 billion
France: $61.3 billion
Germany: $66.8 billion
Italy: $35.5 billion
Netherlands: $16.6 billion
Spain: $23.6 billion
Switzerland: $6.2 billion
UK: $74.9 billion
Total: $292 billion
US: $916 billion