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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Sounds like a load of old tosh to me.
Spoken like the true complient thinker that you are. You'd be no fun at parties :hehe:
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
I suspect the estimated one million Chinese Muslim Uyghurs who have been forced into re-education camps while the rest of the world turned a blind eye could easily believe the Chinese Communist Party would be capable of mass murder. But for its support the Communist regime next door in North Korea wouldn't survive for long because China supplies them with most of their food, energy and consumables.
From what I've read the families of those deemed to have died of the virus are denied holding a funeral. Instead the deceased are carted off to the nearest incinerator.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Sounds like a load of old tosh to me.
Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
Have you bought face masks yet?
Today:
The UK government has declared coronavirus a "serious and imminent threat" to public health.
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WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said there had been “some concerning instances” of transmission from people who had not been to China.
“The detection of a small number of cases may indicate more widespread transmission in other countries; in short, we may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg,”
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Shute
Have you bought face masks yet?
Today:
The UK government has declared coronavirus a "serious and imminent threat" to public health.
and
WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said there had been “some concerning instances” of transmission from people who had not been to China.
“The detection of a small number of cases may indicate more widespread transmission in other countries; in short, we may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg,”
Face masks won't really help. If you are coughing then it'll stop your germs spreading but far better to wash your hands regularly and try not to touch your face.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.
It's true that in excess of 20k Chinese every day and that a minuscule 900+ have officially croaked due to the coronavirus. If you disbelieve then provide a link that says differently. Not to labour the point but as it's you I need to, 600k Chinese dying in a typical month set against 900 over the past month because of a virus is only worthy of an inconsequential footnote to statisticians along with anyone with the brain power and motivation to spend 10 seconds thinking for themselves.
All who have perished are of an east Asian background. I might be wrong on that count. Again, if you think or believe to the contrary then provide a link to a credible source that states otherwise.
From what I understand Chinese TV channels, all state run of course, pump out advice around the clock to remain indoors unless it's absolutely necessary to venture outside and only then to do so while wearing a mask, or face arrest for disobeying. Also, vans equipped with a PA system tour the streets repeating the same message. It's easy to realise why paranoia has taken hold.
During this winter 10k U.S. citizens have so far conked out because of flu. As China has four times their population it's not unreasonable to presume 40k Chinese have gone the same way.
Wuhan, the epicentre of this virus outbreak (or fabricated hoax), saw large anti-government protests last summer as Hong Kong people were too. That's easy to confirm if you choose to tap a few keys. Now thanks to this virus no-one in Wuhan or Hong Kong dare to speak up.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
Rather than suggest it's a conspiracy as we did with Aids, Ebola, SARS , perhaps it's a case of a virus that once again is taking advantage of a society or country's that have poor public health controls / problems , consumes animals that can carry diseases , water pollution, not enough education on personal hygiene standards .
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Rather than suggest it's a conspiracy as we did with Aids, Ebola, SARS , perhaps it's a case of a virus that once again is taking advantage of a society or country's that have poor public health controls / problems , consumes animals that can carry diseases , water pollution, not enough education on personal hygiene standards .
If you read the posts properly, you'll see that nobody is saying that the coronavirus itself is a conspiracy... They're saying that the Chinese government creating it as a weapon to kill their own citizens is a conspiracy - which is what Organ Morgan is purporting.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
Chinese President Xi, wearing a mask, walked somewhere in Beijing earlier today. He was quoted as saying how grave the situation is.
Meanwhile in the UK emergency powers have been enacted to forcibly detain those suspected of being infected with the coronavirus.
Don't cough or sneeze near your mobile phone as GCHQ hackers could be listening in. :old:
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.
Everything with you is a conspiracy theory, until suddenly it isn't. You have absolutely zero critical thinking capability! :biggrin:
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I don't think he's nearly as dull as he likes to make out. I do, though, believe he's completely infected with normalcy bias and prefers preposterous bullshit - such as Building 7 collapsing as it did because of some office fires - than applying a modicum of common sense.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
It's true that in excess of 20k Chinese every day and that a minuscule 900+ have officially croaked due to the coronavirus. If you disbelieve then provide a link that says differently. Not to labour the point but as it's you I need to, 600k Chinese dying in a typical month set against 900 over the past month because of a virus is only worthy of an inconsequential footnote to statisticians along with anyone with the brain power and motivation to spend 10 seconds thinking for themselves.
All who have perished are of an east Asian background. I might be wrong on that count. Again, if you think or believe to the contrary then provide a link to a credible source that states otherwise.
From what I understand Chinese TV channels, all state run of course, pump out advice around the clock to remain indoors unless it's absolutely necessary to venture outside and only then to do so while wearing a mask, or face arrest for disobeying. Also, vans equipped with a PA system tour the streets repeating the same message. It's easy to realise why paranoia has taken hold.
During this winter 10k U.S. citizens have so far conked out because of flu. As China has four times their population it's not unreasonable to presume 40k Chinese have gone the same way.
Wuhan, the epicentre of this virus outbreak (or fabricated hoax), saw large anti-government protests last summer as Hong Kong people were too. That's easy to confirm if you choose to tap a few keys. Now thanks to this virus no-one in Wuhan or Hong Kong dare to speak up.
Do you not realise which bit of your post TBG and I think was a load of shit? He helpfully put it in bold, if you need to go back and check again.
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Yes, but did you notice he failed to articulate why he thought it was tosh? That's something you too were unable to do. I note you also failed to to provide any links. Another challenge ducked.
Today's updated Chinese numbers have been released. Total deaths have topped 1k for the first time and the number of deaths hit a new high with 103 people checking out.
Boring I know. With the median average Chinese natural death rate of 20k per day then the numbers attributed to a new type of flu should merit one paragraph of space in an obscure Chinese medical journal instead of making worldwide headlines.
The much bigger story that has the potential to affect all our lives is if supply chains collapse for a prolonged period.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
The much bigger story that has the potential to affect all our lives is if supply chains collapse for a prolonged period.
At least an economic crash would get rid of Trump and make a lot of people happy, including the Chinese :wink:
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... and our bubble blowing banker overlords.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Yes, but did you notice he failed to articulate why he thought it was tosh? That's something you too were unable to do. I note you also failed to to provide any links. Another challenge ducked.
Today's updated Chinese numbers have been released. Total deaths have topped 1k for the first time and the number of deaths hit a new high with 103 people checking out.
Boring I know. With the median average Chinese natural death rate of 20k per day then the numbers attributed to a new type of flu should merit one paragraph of space in an obscure Chinese medical journal instead of making worldwide headlines.
The much bigger story that has the potential to affect all our lives is if supply chains collapse for a prolonged period.
Provide links? Ducked challenge? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? It was in bold!
I haven't said how many I think have died, I haven't denied that (completely unsurprisingly) all the deaths so far are "East Asian background". I don't know why you were expecting me to argue it or why you're triumphant that I did not.
So why do I not believe that China released this themselves "purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer"?
Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.
Secondly, if they were stupid enough to ignore all that and do it anyway, they'd definitely be releasing it in Taiwan or Hong Kong rather than their own backyard.
Thirdly, you've already said they are forcing people into camps while the world turns a blind eye. If that strategy works, why wouldn't they continue doing it?
I know you're sensitive about your theories, hence why you post them in the comfortable bubble of the politics forum where there are some like-minded tin foilers. Why not try it on the main board and see if anyone buys it? Be brave.
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lardy
Provide links? Ducked challenge? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? It was in bold!
I haven't said how many I think have died, I haven't denied that (completely unsurprisingly) all the deaths so far are "East Asian background". I don't know why you were expecting me to argue it or why you're triumphant that I did not.
So why do I not believe that China released this themselves "purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer"?
Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.
Secondly, if they were stupid enough to ignore all that and do it anyway, they'd definitely be releasing it in Taiwan or Hong Kong rather than their own backyard.
Thirdly, you've already said they are forcing people into camps while the world turns a blind eye. If that strategy works, why wouldn't they continue doing it?
I know you're sensitive about your theories, hence why you post them in the comfortable bubble of the politics forum where there are some like-minded tin foilers. Why not try it on the main board and see if anyone buys it? Be brave.
Game, Set and Match: Lardy.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.
Anybody this dastardly would have already developed an antidote, so you need to focus on the motive and the goals if you want to look at it from a conspiracy angle..
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Provide links? Ducked challenge? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? It was in bold!
I haven't said how many I think have died, I haven't denied that (completely unsurprisingly) all the deaths so far are "East Asian background". I don't know why you were expecting me to argue it or why you're triumphant that I did not.
So why do I not believe that China released this themselves "purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer"?
Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.
Secondly, if they were stupid enough to ignore all that and do it anyway, they'd definitely be releasing it in Taiwan or Hong Kong rather than their own backyard.
Thirdly, you've already said they are forcing people into camps while the world turns a blind eye. If that strategy works, why wouldn't they continue doing it?
I know you're sensitive about your theories, hence why you post them in the comfortable bubble of the politics forum where there are some like-minded tin foilers. Why not try it on the main board and see if anyone buys it? Be brave.
Great idea says a Chinaman. Let's spread a virus that we can't control but which, we hope, finishes off a section of the ageing population. We can't imagine that it may spread beyond those people or beyond the confines of our own country and it will only bring positive results for our economy and regarding the faith the people have in us. Can't go wrong.
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Wales-Bales
Anybody this dastardly would have already developed an antidote, so you need to focus on the motive and the goals if you want to look at it from a conspiracy angle..
Ah, Brigadier Bacofoil right on Q. Given your special "sight" into all things conspiratorial what are the motives and goals actually going on here?
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cyril evans awaydays
Ah, Brigadier Bacofoil right on Q. Given your special "sight" into all things conspiratorial what are the motives and goals actually going on here?
Too many to mention, but it won't be covered by CNN, so you are out of luck.
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It appears the same people who couldn't spot a plot to overthrow a US president when it was all laid out in in front of them in minute detail, have now suddenly become word experts in infectious diseases, when they can't even tell the difference between the Steele dossier and the Beano :facepalm:
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Provide links? Ducked challenge? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? It was in bold!
I haven't said how many I think have died, I haven't denied that (completely unsurprisingly) all the deaths so far are "East Asian background". I don't know why you were expecting me to argue it or why you're triumphant that I did not.
So why do I not believe that China released this themselves "purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer"?
Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.
Secondly, if they were stupid enough to ignore all that and do it anyway, they'd definitely be releasing it in Taiwan or Hong Kong rather than their own backyard.
Thirdly, you've already said they are forcing people into camps while the world turns a blind eye. If that strategy works, why wouldn't they continue doing it?
I know you're sensitive about your theories, hence why you post them in the comfortable bubble of the politics forum where there are some like-minded tin foilers. Why not try it on the main board and see if anyone buys it? Be brave.
Thanks for that. I only wish you posted it earlier as a response instead of agreeing with a one-line hit and run snipe.
I created this thread here rather than the main one as Moggis created this just for that as he was fed up of them cluttering a board he wanted football based. I have no problem questioning political opinion or social issues posted on the football forum but wouldn't create an overtly political/social one there out of respect for his wishes.
The provide links remarks were made to reinforce the point that 20k Chinese do indeed croak every day and that nobody who was not of east Asian heritage had died. Those who propagate the worldwide pandemic, millions will die scare stories are having a difficult time maintaining that theory in the face of no non Asian dead. At first that was because the virus had an unusually long incubation period of up to 14 days, they said. That's long since past.
I stated this coronavirus is a new mild flu strain and that typical flu has killed vastly more than the current 1k global total for this one. You didn't counter that point, likely because you were unable to support doing so with established facts.
The coronavirus, apparently, attacks what's called ACE-2 lung receptors. They are most prevalent in east Asian males and especially Chinese males. It explains why - once again - nil non Asians have died as Caucasians, etc, have far fewer so can easily survive infection.
It's also true the Chinese government has hyped the threat to its own citizens to an absurd degree while also playing down the threat to the rest of the world by complaining about airlines stopping flights to and from there.
I will agree with your remarks about doing harm to the Chinese economy at the worst time of the year. But revenue loss isn't a problem as China has its own printing press and can create any amount of new currency to support itself and inject into equity markets and anything else it cares to prop up.
Incidentally, the relatively massive protests in Wuhan last summer centered on an incinerator. Coincidentally or not, they come in handy for disposing corpses.
Wuhan protests: Incinerator plan sparks mass unrest - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-48904350
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Great idea says a Chinaman. Let's spread a virus that we can't control but which, we hope, finishes off a section of the ageing population. We can't imagine that it may spread beyond those people or beyond the confines of our own country and it will only bring positive results for our economy and regarding the faith the people have in us. Can't go wrong.
My hypothesis is it's a mild form of flu released by the ChiComs that's not life threatening to anyone other than east Asians and is less of a risk to east Asians themselves than the flu umpteen thousands die of every year when bronchitis or pneumonia set in. Put another way, it's tons of hype with very little substance to those who choose to look beyond the hype, which you and others appear incapable of. If you care to view footage from China their citizens' body temperature is checked whenever they take to the streets by people using a handheld device.
It's widely accepted that during Chairman Mao's tenure their utterly ruthless Communist Party deliberately killed around 60 million Chinese citizens, mostly by starvation. And China is far more overpopulated today than then.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
My hypothesis is it's a mild form of flu released by the ChiComs that's not life threatening to anyone other than east Asians and is less of a risk to east Asians themselves than the flu umpteen thousands die of every year when bronchitis or pneumonia set in. Put another way, it's tons of hype with very little substance to those who choose to look beyond the hype, which you and others appear incapable of. If you care to view footage from China their citizens' body temperature is checked whenever they take to the streets by people using a handheld device.
It's widely accepted that during Chairman Mao's tenure their utterly ruthless Communist Party deliberately killed around 60 million Chinese citizens, mostly by starvation. And China is far more overpopulated today than then.
I read that Brighton has shut a 2nd surgery!!
Don't look here, look over there.
If I believed in conspiracies, I would be thinking that there is something that the public isn't being told,
however, I get reassured by the CCMB squad that all is good and no need for concern.
I've booked a cruise for May, thankfully I always get the full Monty insurance wise, the only other time i have ever
booked a cruise I had to cancel!!!
back to the dulcet sounds of RUSH :music:
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And how many Brighton residents have turned their toes up?
Wake me up when just one amongst billions of non Asians snuff it. 1,000 coronavirus dead from a world population of 7.7 billion (says the latest UN estimate) is a gigantic nothing burger.
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Organ Morgan.
I will agree with your remarks about doing harm to the Chinese economy at the worst time of the year. But revenue loss isn't a problem as China has its own printing press and can create any amount of new currency to support itself and inject into equity markets and anything else it cares to prop up.
Apparently Chinese factories always close in February, so the big tell will be whether or not they reopen on time.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
And how many Brighton residents have turned their toes up?
Wake me up when just one amongst billions of non Asians snuff it. 1,000 coronavirus dead from a world population of 7.7 billion (says the latest UN estimate) is a gigantic nothing burger.
I was kinda agreeing with you!!!
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Wales-Bales
Apparently Chinese factories always close in February, so the big tell will be whether or not they reopen on time.
They close for a week to celebrate Chinese Lunar New Year each year. That begun and finished at the end of January. They extended the holiday to all last week when they produced and shipped nowt. It's difficult to determine how many, if any, of their factories and ports are at work today. What they manufacture is incredible; the world's economies are reliant on what they produce. Medicines and medical supplies is where they dominate most.
The Nissan car plant in Sunderland, for example, probably require components made in China, without them production stops and layoffs ensue.