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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
They are generally just daft old racists
Perhaps it’s not all down to racism but it is a hugely significant factor with the right wing press and their vile readers.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Did anyone watch Question Time last night? I wonder is anyone else getting tired of hearing people using the race card when they disagree with someone. Here is the clip from last night:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-511...sh-over-meghan
Like the actor guy, I am a white male although I would not classify myself as particularly priviliged other than being so grateful for good health in my advanced years! Whatever my feelings about Meghan Markel are, they have nothing whatsoever to do with her colour. I guess if I make only positive comments about her that's fine, but if I criticise her for anything then it must be because she is of mixed race. PC gone mad again.
That actor is a posh privileged white boy who doesn't even allow the mixed race woman to finish her question
He hasn't suffered racism from the police , media , jobs market etc that black and mixed race people have and for him to say , as a white man , that britain is one of the least racist and most welcoming countries in europe is laughable along with the white people clapping him in the audience ......how the feck would he and they know about racism or wether britain is welcoming ? It doesn't affect them for christ sake
As for pritti patel , the ultimate uncle tom , happy that her parents have made the uk their home and shes done ok , but now wants to shut the borders
Stupid tart
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
Just because you don't think are particularly privileged doesn't mean you haven't benefitted from white privilege. YOu don't have to be rich or racist to have advantages from it. FOr example, you are always surrounded by people who look just like you. You see yourself represented fairly in the media, TV, films, cartoons etc. You've probably never been turned down for a job just because of your name. It's easy to find toys, dolls, clothes etc that match your skin color. You've never been racially abused or had your ethnicity questioned. You also have the ability to dismiss racism as a non-factor.
The main reason people dismiss racism as a non factor is the fact they are white and rarely are on the receiving end of it
Cringeworthy stuff
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The main reason people dismiss racism as a non factor is the fact they are white and rarely are on the receiving end of it
Cringeworthy stuff
Unless they are fat or ginger, or plug ugly, or have a deformity. Then they are ridiculed in their own way.
Is there anyone your not offended on behalf of?
Has it come to the point where a white person living in the UK has got to be embarrassed and apologetic for just being who they are, and can’t be seen to have opinions on certain topics.?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Its not 1955 FFS. You can get transgender dolls these days.
So no white privilege?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
So no white privilege?
Know him personally do you? How do you know what life hes had regardless of skin colour?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Know him personally do you? How do you know what life hes had regardless of skin colour?
I know that if he's white, it's likely none of the things I mentioned have happened to him.
Before we get started, please just answer one question: Are you denying that there is such a thing as white privilege?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I know that if he's white, it's likely none of the things I mentioned have happened to him.
Before we get started, please just answer one question: Are you denying that there is such a thing as white privilege?
The latest “Buzz” term.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I know that if he's white, it's likely none of the things I mentioned have happened to him.
Before we get started, please just answer one question: Are you denying that there is such a thing as white privilege?
"Before we get started" Its not Question Time ffs!!!!
You mention about TV, films, toys.etc its 2020. Ethnic minorities are well represented.
As for clothes to match the colour of their skin? WTF does that even mean?!?!?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
Do people really think there is no prejudice in society and someone who isn't white doesn't have a lot more issues for an "equivalent" person who is white?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
The latest “Buzz” term.
Do you not think it exists?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
OurManFlint II
You are more privileged than black folk in all areas of health, employment, police harassment, life expectancy, education, prison, crime and all round living standards in the UK. You are in comparison privileged.
This thread is about Meghan Markle. Compared to her, am I privileged?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
Just because you don't think are particularly privileged doesn't mean you haven't benefitted from white privilege. YOu don't have to be rich or racist to have advantages from it. FOr example, you are always surrounded by people who look just like you. You see yourself represented fairly in the media, TV, films, cartoons etc. You've probably never been turned down for a job just because of your name. It's easy to find toys, dolls, clothes etc that match your skin color. You've never been racially abused or had your ethnicity questioned. You also have the ability to dismiss racism as a non-factor.
This thread is about Meghan Markle. I didn't realise she had suffered all those things you mention.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Do you not think it exists?
The term is a complex one and academics cannot even agree on its exact meaning. Even on this thread there are people using the term differently.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Do you not think it exists?
Not in the way you and others in this thread are making out.
The majority of White people in the UK are welcoming to all folk of ethnic backgrounds, and the UK on the whole is a fair minded and welcoming place to live for all foreigners.
Do you think there is such a thing as “ Black privilege in certain countries?
I think Meghan is getting it tight , from mostly royalists who are blaming her for splintering the family, not because of the colour of her skin.
The majority of folk over here, me included couldn’t give a flying **** what her and Harry do.
The likes of you and Sludge, confuse how scummy the media can be (bugging a WHITE murdered girls phone for instance, hounding Megan Markel etc etc) with the way the rest of us conduct ourselves.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
White privilege really helped the young girls in Telford, Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Newcastle etc.
White, working class boys have been left behind in educational terms for eons and
affirmative action has been in place for a long time.
Identity politics and those championing intersectionalism is what is toxic and what will continue pushing people to the right socially.
Also calling Pritti Patel an “Uncle Tom” is abhorrent.
I guess that Thomas Sowell is a “House Negro” because he has the audacity to hold libertarian views?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Yep a white person with the exact same qualifications as a black person is still two thirds more likely to get a job in the uk.
Unless the employer is the BBC, of course
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
I have no opinion one way or the other about Harry and Meghan. I have no problem with whatever colour she is (contrary to the opinions of the usual suspects on this MB), all we can do as outsiders is simply look at her character and behaviour. If I say Meghan is behaving like a petulant teenager, is that racist then? If I say good luck to her, let her make her own life, is that ok or is that racist?
It seems because I am a geriatric white male that automatically points to me being a racist. I presume no-one on this MB knows me personally because if they did, they would know that this is absolutely not the case.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Wash DC Blue
White privilege really helped the young girls in Telford, Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Newcastle etc.
White, working class boys have been left behind in educational terms for eons and
affirmative action has been in place for a long time.
Identity politics and those championing intersectionalism is what is toxic and what will continue pushing people to the right socially.
Also calling Pritti Patel an “Uncle Tom” is abhorrent.
I guess that Thomas Sowell is a “House Negro” because he has the audacity to hold libertarian views?
No one is saying they haven't had it hard though.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
No one is saying they haven't had it hard though.
Well, we can get clothes to match the colour of skin, what else do we want?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
No one is saying they haven't had it hard though.
So why is white privilege now a thing?
This is one of several pejorative tropes that have become synonymous with folk to show just how woke they are.
It’s devisive and dangerous IMO.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Wash DC Blue
So why is white privilege now a thing?
This is one of several pejorative tropes that have become synonymous with folk to show just how woke they are.
It’s devisive and dangerous IMO.
Because a black person in the exact same position would probably have it even worse because of the prejudice they face in every day life.
No one is saying white people are privilidged and have an easy life just that in western society it's even more difficult as a black person.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
its only racist, for those who are desperate for it to be racist ,how calling someone 'uppity' is racist is beyond me.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
its only racist, for those who are desperate for it to be racist ,how calling someone 'uppity' is racist is beyond me.
Are you serious? Uppity has a long history of being used as in a racist way. There is a long history of this.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Because a black person in the exact same position would probably have it even worse because of the prejudice they face in every day life.
No one is saying white people are privilidged and have an easy life just that in western society it's even more difficult as a black person.
Thats not what NYC is saying at all.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Are you serious? Uppity has a long history of being used as in a racist way. There is a long history of this.
A long history amongst a section of Americans some 100 years ago. Uppity in Britain means to be self important. Theres never been a racist connotation in the word in this country. Its more often than not used on white people in this country.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I have no opinion one way or the other about Harry and Meghan. I have no problem with whatever colour she is (contrary to the opinions of the usual suspects on this MB), all we can do as outsiders is simply look at her character and behaviour. If I say Meghan is behaving like a petulant teenager, is that racist then? If I say good luck to her, let her make her own life, is that ok or is that racist?
It seems because I am a geriatric white male that automatically points to me being a racist. I presume no-one on this MB knows me personally because if they did, they would know that this is absolutely not the case.
Starting threads like this and the one about Stormzy, then constantly trying to defend the fact that you're not racist and institutions in this country aren't racist, claiming that it's just people disagreeing with the opposite standpoint and playing the race card... That makes you look racially insensitive at the very least.
None of us know if you're racist or not, but you're not helping yourself with the messages you're sending on here.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
A long history amongst a section of Americans some 100 years ago. Uppity in Britain means to be self important. Theres never been a racist connotation in the word in this country. Its more often than not used on white people in this country.
That doesn't mean it can't have racist connotations when used outside america though, does it?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
That doesn't mean it can't have racist connotations when used outside america though, does it?
By the same token it doesnt automatically mean its racist when its used on someone in a country where it means something else.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
its only racist, for those who are desperate for it to be racist ,how calling someone 'uppity' is racist is beyond me.
It's only last week that you were using natural UK born as a synonym for white.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
A long history amongst a section of Americans some 100 years ago. Uppity in Britain means to be self important. Theres never been a racist connotation in the word in this country. Its more often than not used on white people in this country.
Got agree here, I have been called uppity all my life, I have a huge failing I am arrogant (Uppity) and I do know it.
In this country it means just that. Every uk dictionary says the same if Croesy want's to start using meanings used in america 100 years ago perhaps he should start with calling trousers pants. Different countries different meanings!
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/uppity
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
It is ridiculous.
These days, if you say you're British, you'll be arrested and thrown in jail.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Igovernor
Got agree here, I have been called uppity all my life, I have a huge failing I am arrogant (Uppity) and I do know it.
In this country it means just that. Every uk dictionary says the same if Croesy want's to start using meanings used in america 100 years ago perhaps he should start with calling trousers pants. Different countries different meanings!
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/uppity
Uppity: An uppity person behaves in an unpleasant way because they think that they are more important than they really are.
Not sure what you're point is as it's obvious what the definition of the word is. The point being made by croesy is that it was used (and is still used to this day) against black people who didn't "know their place" in society and shouldn't act a certain way... Like they're second class citizens. So it's the connotations of the word that's important here.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/connotation
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Uppity: An uppity person behaves in an unpleasant way because they think that they are more important than they really are.
Not sure what you're point is as it's obvious what the definition of the word is. The point being made by croesy is that it was used (and is still used to this day) against black people who didn't "know their place" in society and shouldn't act a certain way... Like they're second class citizens. So it's the connotations of the word that's important here.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/connotation
It doesn’t mean that over here though. If you asked a random 1,000 people in towns and city’s up and down the UK to expand on the word “uppity”, I don’t think one person would say it was a racist term.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Captain_Sensible
It is ridiculous.
These days, if you say you're British, you'll be arrested and thrown in jail.
Stewart Lee is a genius at winding people up.
He is smugness personified...but clever and funny.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
It doesn’t mean that over here though. If you asked a random 1,000 people in towns and city’s up and down the UK to expand on the word “uppity”, I don’t think one person would say it was a racist term.
Igoverner was giving us the definition of a word in order to say it doesn't mean something over here.
I could put up the definition of the Oxford dictionary definition of the word 'monkey' and say it isn't racist... But I think the majority of people would agree that if you called a black person that word then it would be racist due to it's connotations.
Uppity means the same in the US as it does here but the connotations of it being linked with racism are obviously much stronger over there.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
"Before we get started" Its not Question Time ffs!!!!
You mention about TV, films, toys.etc its 2020. Ethnic minorities are well represented.
As for clothes to match the colour of their skin? WTF does that even mean?!?!?
What color is “flesh colored”? What color are plasters? Ethnic minorities being represented in the media is not the same as being treated equally. Most people of color represented in films are there for a reason. A lot of films with an ensemble of black actors are considered “black films”. Have you ever heard of a white film?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Thats not what NYC is saying at all.
That is exactly what I’m saying.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
That is exactly what I’m saying.
I think its best to let a bunch of white guys define racism and how it doesn't exist. :biggrin: