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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I haven't found conclusive evidence either way, but in a historical context there are many precedences, so I wouldn't be too hasty in giving a definitive answer like you have.
What has London Bridge got to do with it? That is an idiotic straw man argument! Observing the video footage, that guy found himself down a one-way street in the middle of an angry mob when somebody attacked his vehicle with a baseball bat or a similar object. I'm no lawyer, but I'm fairly sure this point will be brought up during the trial. I'm afraid you are confusing ones observations as being personal views, which seems to be a trait of yours.
Just out of interest, what was he doing driving his car down there?
Not looking to catch you out (for once) because I genuinely don't know much about it. If the guy was there for the protest then why was he driving his car down the street instead of marching with whatever side he was aligned to?
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
saying it was just an accident
By the way I said nothing of the sort. I posed a question along with some video footage. A libel lawyer would have a field day in court with you. Please pay more attention to what you read and write if you want to be taken seriously.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Other people in the past have been paedophiles, you have no evidence about this particular case, but that's enough for you? And you say I make idiotic arguments!
He was already accelerating down the street with no chance to stop before the "baseball bat" happened so if this is his defence in court I hope he hasn't hired an expensive lawyer to deliver it.
There you go again, I have already said I haven't found any conclusive evidence one way or the other, and I haven't declared an outcome in this matter.
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Originally Posted by
Dr Lecter
Just out of interest, what was he doing driving his car down there?
Not looking to catch you out (for once) because I genuinely don't know much about it. If the guy was there for the protest then why was he driving his car down the street instead of marching with whatever side he was aligned to?
The background to what he was actually doing down that street has not been released. Somebody posted a video of what happened and I commented on it. I never claimed the driver to be innocent or guilty, I just pointed out that somebody had attacked his car with an object prior to the collision with the cars in front.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Wales-Bales
There you go again, I have already said I haven't found any conclusive evidence one way or the other, and I haven't declared an outcome in this matter.
You surely must have found something regards this pedo story, otherwise you wouldn't refer to it regularly.
Lardy was asked, apparently in a typically haughty way, earlier whether he had ever looked outside the MSM on the subject
Now you say that you have nothing conclusive on it either..
Do you diners of the hallowed flesh ever get to illustrate the conclusion to any af your alt theories?!
A neutral observer would be bound to ask- Is it all nods, winks, dodgy websites and the perennial '..any time now..
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Well I haven't denied anything have I, so I guess that makes you a little bit mental for trying to say that I have :biggrin:
And what evidence has been provided by many in this thread? It's mostly hearsay, anonymous sources and conjecture.
Fine, do you think Sandy Hook happened? Yes or no?
Also, nice going not bothering to respond to the other points in the post :thumbup:
Just for clarification, what do you have against reputable news sources?
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Look at the stuff he's been posting lately. You don't want to associate yourself with that, Mrs R.
I don't always agree with every word he says but he's not a lone voice on here is what I was saying, I have said some things on here over the years that people don't like too, I think I was called scum when I questioned the isis beheading videos even though it was reported in mainstream news that they were fake, some things need to be talked about though imo.
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severncity
Wales-Bales, Mrs Steve R was coughing because you are not a lone voice on here. There's her, Organ, me and a few others on the "alternative side". I discovered Velikovsky, Icke and Cooper in the mid 1990s so I've been ploughing this furrow for half my life.
You are very well informed and I applaud your anti-Hillary stance but let's face it, no one knows where Trump is heading. His insistence on blaming both sides for violence was encouraging though, in the face of a full-on MSM "progessive" shill onslaught.
The difference between me and WB is that he has always clung on to a small bit of hope that Trump might actually drain the swamp, I have never believed he would, for me to believe he is anything else than another puppet I would have to abandon everything else I believe and I can't do that, I'm sticking with Mr Griffin on this one.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Other people in the past have been paedophiles, you have no evidence about this particular case, but that's enough for you? And you say I make idiotic arguments!
He was already accelerating down the street with no chance to stop before the "baseball bat" happened so if this is his defence in court I hope he hasn't hired an expensive lawyer to deliver it.
I haven't seen any real evidence for pizzagate so I don't really comment on it but when you hear stories like on this radio show I just listened to you have to wonder what the hell is going on in this country, this is Samantha Richards a grandmother from Cardiff..
"We Call Social Services The SS. They Steal & Traffic Our Children. It's Evil."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVGXIIhvPpE
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
You surely must have found something regards this pedo story, otherwise you wouldn't refer to it regularly.
Lardy was asked, apparently in a typically haughty way, earlier whether he had ever looked outside the MSM on the subject
Now you say that you have nothing conclusive on it either..
Do you diners of the hallowed flesh ever get to illustrate the conclusion to any af your alt theories?!
A neutral observer would be bound to ask- Is it all nods, winks, dodgy websites and the perennial '..any time now..
?
Conclusive evidence = prosecutions or the published findings from an official public enquiry. Neither have happened, so in the meantime all outcomes are inconclusive in my opinion. I'm not sure how lardy got to his cast iron version of events though, he's a better man than me :biggrin:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Conclusive evidence = prosecutions or the published findings from an official public enquiry. Neither have happened, so in the meantime all outcomes are inconclusive in my opinion. I'm not sure how lardy got to his cast iron version of events though, he's a better man than me :biggrin:
Don't write cheques you can't cash then, particularly about one of the most gruesome acts imaginable. Your neighbour probably hasn't been cleared of paedophiliac acts in court but do you spread rumours until he has? Because all outcomes there are inconclusive.
It's not a question of me knowing the cast iron version of events, it's about basic human decency.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
The difference between me and WB is that he has always clung on to a small bit of hope that Trump might actually drain the swamp, I have never believed he would, for me to believe he is anything else than another puppet I would have to abandon everything else I believe and I can't do that, I'm sticking with Mr Griffin on this one.
Not exactly clinging on :biggrin: I am comparing his actions against predicted outcomes, but Trump is a slippery character and he doesn't give much away! I'm glad I'm not up against him, it would do my head in. I feel sorry for Hillary, Soros, Obama, and that lot though, cos they are not facing a conventional political operator here.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Don't write cheques you can't cash then, particularly about one of the most gruesome acts imaginable. Your neighbour probably hasn't been cleared of paedophiliac acts in court but do you spread rumours until he has? Because all outcomes there are inconclusive.
It's not a question of me knowing the cast iron version of events, it's about basic human decency.
I'm not spreading any rumours. These suspicions came to light through the own words of the people involved. Has it been investigated? FOIA requests haven't come up with any evidence of an investigation. If it were me I would be eager to clear my name through a proper investigation or a public enquiry. Regarding my neighbour, what's he got to do with it? Or are you doing your little strawman arguement thing again? :biggrin:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
You surely must have found something regards this pedo story, otherwise you wouldn't refer to it regularly.
Lardy was asked, apparently in a typically haughty way, earlier whether he had ever looked outside the MSM on the subject
Now you say that you have nothing conclusive on it either..
Do you diners of the hallowed flesh ever get to illustrate the conclusion to any af your alt theories?!
A neutral observer would be bound to ask- Is it all nods, winks, dodgy websites and the perennial '..any time now..
?
nailed it, gluey can pontificate for months. the thread could end on that line
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
This video of the march looks like it's from a movie or something. Doesn't seem real that it could happen nowadays.
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/st...11702132367360
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Not exactly clinging on :biggrin: I am comparing his actions against predicted outcomes, but Trump is a slippery character and he doesn't give much away! I'm glad I'm not up against him, it would do my head in. I feel sorry for Hillary, Soros, Obama, and that lot though, cos they are not facing a conventional political operator here.
Some would call the unfiltered views of the President of the United States at yesterday's press conference unconventional. I will stick with morally repugnant.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I'm not spreading any rumours. These suspicions came to light through the own words of the people involved. Has it been investigated? FOIA requests haven't come up with any evidence of an investigation. If it were me I would be eager to clear my name through a proper investigation or a public enquiry. Regarding my neighbour, what's he got to do with it? Or are you doing your little strawman arguement thing again? :biggrin:
Have they investigated whether a paedophile ring was running from the basement of a pizzeria that has no basement? Let me check.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Have they investigated whether a paedophile ring was running from the basement of a pizzeria that has no basement? Let me check.
That's how the media specifically framed it, Hillary being in the basement of a pizza shop abusing kids. Did those 4 things happen at the same time? Was Hillary in the basement of a pizza restaurant with children? Of course not, it's all semantics, but somehow this is proof that the whole story has been debunked. And what about the perverted Instagram photos with the sick comments? Not one media person brought these imagages up when they interviewed the restaurant owner. What kind of journalism is that? If these people want to put this story to bed, then they need to address these issues. Until then there is going to be an element of doubt in some people's minds.
BTW the basement is in the other restaurant that he runs two doors away.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Very movie like, it has high production values. Do you know who filmed and edited it? Also the blood & soil slogan is a reference to the Ukrainian far-right party (see the picture of their leader above with Sen. John McCain)
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
I haven't seen any real evidence for pizzagate so I don't really comment on it but when you hear stories like on this radio show I just listened to you have to wonder what the hell is going on in this country, this is Samantha Richards a grandmother from Cardiff..
"We Call Social Services The SS. They Steal & Traffic Our Children. It's Evil."
Pizzagate is just a label, it's not about pizza or pizza restaurants, it's about the trafficking and abuse of children worldwide.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Not exactly clinging on :biggrin: I am comparing his actions against predicted outcomes, but Trump is a slippery character and he doesn't give much away! I'm glad I'm not up against him, it would do my head in. I feel sorry for Hillary, Soros, Obama, and that lot though, cos they are not facing a conventional political operator here.
You know what I mean, we have a slightly different view of him. :biggrin:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Mrs Steve R
You know what I mean, we have a slightly different view of him. :biggrin:
I'm just keeping an eye on the bugger to see if he does what he said he was going to do. All of these outcomes are measurable.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Very movie like, it has high production values. Do you know who filmed and edited it? Also the blood & soil slogan is a reference to the Ukrainian far-right party (see the picture of their leader above with Sen. John McCain)
I think you will find that it predates the Ukranians by several decades. More old Nazi than neo!
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I'm just keeping an eye on the bugger to see if he does what he said he was going to do. All of these outcomes are measurable.
Really - what will the swamp look like when it is drained for example?
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
The production values on that are very slick indeed, and it has been skilfully edited for maximum attraction to those who are weak enough to get taken up by it.
So maybe there is an interesting angle - who is doing this, and/or for whom ?
I keep returning to the notion that 'somebody' wants the USA f*cked up - resorting to serious civil unrest, while it also has serious international concerns and dangers, and while loose cannon Trump is at the helm.
Who? Well..
It's a heady cocktail of dangers.
The USA (/the West?) may be in trouble.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
I think you will find that it predates the Ukranians by several decades. More old Nazi than neo!
Yes I know, but it was last used to good effect in the Ukraine. BTW what's McCain's angle in all of this? I know Victoria Nuland was involved in the Ukrainian government overthrow when she was the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
The production values on that are very slick indeed, and it has been skilfully edited for maximum attraction to those who are weak enough to get taken up by it.
So maybe there is an interesting angle - who is doing this, and/or for whom ?
I keep returning to the notion that 'somebody' wants the USA f*cked up - resorting to serious civil unrest, while it also has serious international concerns and dangers, and while loose cannon Trump is at the helm.
Who? Well..
It's a heady cocktail of dangers.
The USA (/the West?) may be in trouble.
The USA, and by extension the European Union. One name keeps popping up in all of this, George Soros.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Yes I know, but it was last used to good effect in the Ukraine. BTW what's McCain's angle in all of this? I know Victoria Nuland was involved in the Ukrainian government overthrow when she was the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs.
Whilst it is no doubt interesting to disappear down every rabbit hole and cul-de-sac you offer up as sport the focus of this thread is Trump. Yesterday, without the intervention of "MSM or fake news media" he spoke directly to the US people and the world in (in my view you might differ) a way that was morally repugnant. It followed direct examples of mysogyny and impressions of disabled people. Personally I don't care if he is in bed with the Russians. He is just a disgraceful human being who for some reason is in the most powerful post in the western democratic world.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Whilst it is no doubt interesting to disappear down every rabbit hole and cul-de-sac you offer up as sport the focus of this thread is Trump. Yesterday, without the intervention of "MSM or fake news media" he spoke directly to the US people and the world in (in my view you might differ) a way that was morally repugnant. It followed direct examples of mysogyny and impressions of disabled people. Personally I don't care if he is in bed with the Russians. He is just a disgraceful human being who for some reason is in the most powerful post in the western democratic world.
That is how I feel, and partly why I enjoy Trumps regular embarrassments and fails.
I cannot see how a sane person with any moral fibre can ignore his utter crass c*ntishness.
But I accept that perhaps I'm being led by the nose.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Whilst it is no doubt interesting to disappear down every rabbit hole and cul-de-sac you offer up as sport the focus of this thread is Trump. Yesterday, without the intervention of "MSM or fake news media" he spoke directly to the US people and the world in (in my view you might differ) a way that was morally repugnant. It followed direct examples of mysogyny and impressions of disabled people. Personally I don't care if he is in bed with the Russians. He is just a disgraceful human being who for some reason is in the most powerful post in the western democratic world.
Or he may have been speaking out against a Soros instigated socialist/globalist attempted coup? Anyway, I'm going to stay sitting firmly on the fence, it's a lovely view from up here, and there are still many things that we do not know :biggrin:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Or he may have been speaking out against a Soros instigated socialist/globalist attempted coup? Anyway, I'm going to stay sitting firmly on the fence, it's a lovely view from up here, and there are still many things that we do not know :biggrin:
I very much suspect that Don Quixote is going to continue to be be way, way less smart than you hope he might be.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Sgt. Pepper
I very much suspect that Don Quixote is going to continue to be be way, way less smart than you hope he might be.
Something is most definately up. Terry May refused to speak out against Trump today. I presume she is in the loop. I have a feeling that something is not quite right. I think Trump has surrounded himself with military top brass for a reason.
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Wales-Bales
Something is most definately up. Terry May refused to speak out against Trump today. I presume she is in the loop. I have a feeling that something is not quite right. I think Trump has surrounded himself with military top brass for a reason.
She's clinging onto him as post brexit she'll be desperate for any friend.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
Bingo!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 7h
Kim Jong Un of North Korea made a very wise and well reasoned decision. The alternative would have been both catastrophic and unacceptable!
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
CardiffIrish2
She's clinging onto him as post brexit she'll be desperate for any friend.
Either that, or she knows shit is about to go down :biggrin:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Packerman
nailed it, gluey can pontificate for months. the thread could end on that line
I will make one prediction especially for you. Trump is going to go down as either the greatest President in US history, or the worst. He will not occupy any other position.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I will make one prediction especially for you. Trump is going to go down as either the greatest President in US history, or the worst. He will not occupy any other position.
Wont he just use the adjective 'greatest' either way, whatever happens? ;)
He's not looking too great tonight. Again.
Here is President Greatest making America Great - again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40952820
^^ Fake News, Fake News, Fake News.
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Bloody Murdoch / Fox meddling in global politics?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40940931
Bannon is not my kind of guy, but he is a man with brains and a particular vision and Trump certainly owes him a lot of gratitude.
But WTF is Murdock doing telling a President what to do ?
"The anti-Bannon contingent includes Rupert Murdoch, the Fox News founder who's repeatedly lobbied the president, according to the New York Times, for the strategist to be sacked."
^^ NYTimes via BBC - Fake News, Fake News.
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
Bloody Murdoch / Fox meddling in global politics?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40940931
Bannon is not my kind of guy, but he is a man with brains and a particular vision and Trump certainly owes him a lot of gratitude.
But WTF is Murdock doing telling a President what to do ?
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The anti-Bannon contingent includes Rupert Murdoch, the Fox News founder who's repeatedly lobbied the president, according to the New York Times, for the strategist to be sacked."
^^ NYTimes via BBC - Fake News, Fake News.
I love the BBC they are the best at what they do. They even sent their former Director-General over to the New York Times as CEO to show them how to do what they do.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I love the BBC they are the best at what they do. They even sent their former Director-General over to the New York Times as CEO to show them how to do what they do.
Yes, lying.
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While I often 'distrust' the veracity of BBC news, to be clear here - ^^ are you both stating that the contents of that BBC article is a lie, based on a NY Times lie?
So, Bannon is not teetering on the edge of favour, and Murdoch is not seeking to influence the Presidents agenda?