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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure
what part is far fetched ? ? ?
The Argentinians invading the Falkland Islands ? ?? you might have missed it, it happened a while back, 1982 ( without googling it )
A Europeans armed force ? ? ? hasnt this been discussed before ? ? ?
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
what part is far fetched ? ? ?
The Argentinians invading the Falkland Islands ? ?? you might have missed it, it happened a while back, 1982 ( without googling it )
A Europeans armed force ? ? ? hasnt this been discussed before ? ? ?
so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering
where have i said it is guaranteed to happen ? ? ?
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
where have i said it is guaranteed to happen ? ? ?
are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering :wave:
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering :wave:
first of all you say " it's fact. and not scaremongering "
now its scaremongering
its a worse case scenario but only 2 years ago Argentina were making the wrong noises about the Falklands and were not russia leasing them some fighter jets ? ? ? so who knows down the line what will happen, i just like the idea of a armed force that we ( the UK ) whole 100% control over
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
first of all you say " it's fact. and not scaremongering "
now its scaremongering
its a worse case scenario but only 2 years ago Argentina were making the wrong noises about the Falklands and were not russia leasing them some fighter jets ? ? ? so who knows down the line what will happen, i just like the idea of a armed force that we ( the UK ) whole 100% control over
What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.
Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.
Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.
I don't think that is how political union works :-)
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I don't think that is how political union works :-)
How does it work then oh wise one
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
How does it work then oh wise one
The majority in Brussels decide who they are going to bomb or not.
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.
Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.
I understood what you were saying, but i found it entertaining you first said :
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure
my scenario was suddenly a fact and not scaremongering
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering :wave:
then you downgraded it to scaremongering
when in reality its just some bloke sat on his PC concerned about giving up out armed forces and leaving them in the full control of the EU
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
I understood what you were saying, but i found it entertaining you first said :
my scenario was suddenly a fact and not scaremongering
then you downgraded it to scaremongering
when in reality its just some bloke sat on his PC concerned about giving up out armed forces and leaving them in the full control of the EU
There was no downgrading. you clearly havent understood what I wrote. Please go back and read it again.
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The majority in Brussels decide who they are going to bomb or not.
of course, once it has been agreed to hand power to them in the first place, correct.
put it this way, they wont have control of the army without consent from the uk parliament.
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
There was no downgrading. you clearly havent understood what I wrote. Please go back and read it again.
No, i dont want to do this again with someone else, but you wrote
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure
look at the above quote, you imply it wasnt scaremongering but was fact
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering :wave:
then you call it scaremongering
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
No, i dont want to do this again with someone else, but you wrote
look at the above quote, you imply it wasnt scaremongering but was fact
then you call it scaremongering
There's where you arent understanding what I wrote.
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
There's where you arent understanding what I wrote.
i have to admit, i dont understand what you meant then
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
i have to admit, i dont understand what you meant then
yeah... me neither ha. But that bit in bold is the bit you're misunderstanding. (got there)
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
yeah... me neither ha. But that bit in bold is the bit you're misunderstanding. (got there)
reminds me of a kids show
If you dont know
and i dont know
who knows
a quick google tells me it was " Bits and Bobs "
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
of course, once it has been agreed to hand power to them in the first place, correct.
put it this way, they wont have control of the army without consent from the uk parliament.
What UK parliament? Under political unification all nations will cease to exist. I think you need to look into it a bit more :thumbup:
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
What UK parliament? Under political unification all nations will cease to exist. I think you need to look into it a bit more :thumbup:
ok, so lets go towards that. The parliament won't cease to exist until power is transferred to the EU parliament. They don't just take it by default. Perhaps you should brush up first :thumbup:
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
tommy31
ok, so lets go towards that. The parliament won't cease to exist until power is transferred to the EU parliament. They don't just take it by default. Perhaps you should brush up first :thumbup:
It will be a clean slate. You can't have 28 nations submitting pre-conditions. The United States of Europe will be a new country. If they say German will be the first language that is what will happen.
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
A single army (which Cameron said would never happen)
One central bank
No control of Criminal Law system
EU wide taxation.
No border controls whatsoever.
WE would not have shared Sovereignty - WE WOULD HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
Catkins51
A single army (which Cameron said would never happen)
One central bank
No control of Criminal Law system
EU wide taxation.
No border controls whatsoever.
WE would not have shared Sovereignty - WE WOULD HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY
I'm not seeing the downside ?
Would citizens of a united states of Europe have more or less SOVEREIGNTY than those of the united states of America?
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
ian gibson
The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan
Have you seen any of the winners of theCoudenhove-Kalergi European Prize?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
It will be a clean slate. You can't have 28 nations submitting pre-conditions. The United States of Europe will be a new country. If they say German will be the first language that is what will happen.
Can't see a National health service fitting in.
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I'm not seeing the downside ?
Would citizens of a united states of Europe have more or less SOVEREIGNTY than those of the united states of America?
You do realize that once the United States of Europe project is complete, it then moves onto the United States of Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, followed by Africa. This is a globalist project. And they are not coming up to our level, we are going down to theirs. What do you thing the financial crisis and austerity is all about?
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Re: European Superstate Imminent?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You do realize that once the United States of Europe project is complete, it then moves onto the United States of Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, followed by Africa. This is a globalist project. And they are not coming up to our level, we are going down to theirs. What do you thing the financial crisis and austerity is all about?
Plenty more wild fantasy presented as fact again there.