So what will today bring?
Part of me wishes this deal goes through as it at least prevents the shit storm of queues at the borders to get trade through.
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So what will today bring?
Part of me wishes this deal goes through as it at least prevents the shit storm of queues at the borders to get trade through.
I would add the words "through her attachment to New Labour" after "she is one of many good socialists , lost to us".
To repeat what I posted on the other board a while ago;-
"I've not paid too much attention to what's in this 500 page document yet, but doesn't the response to it so far show the idiocy of just having a yes or no question on the 2016 Referendum ballot paper? It's just showing that there were so many different versions of Brexit covered in the total Leave vote - there will be some who are happy to proceed with it, but others who will be convinced it's a sell out and, to quote a phrase I've heard used quite often in the last twenty four hours, the worst of all worlds, yet they are all supposed to be on the same side!"
Raab sees exit. Who will be next? One minute he is confessing he didn't realise the volume of trade through Dover and the next minute he is resigning, presumably to support a no deal whose consequences are likely to turn southern Kent into a lorry park.
I would have hated to take up this mantle up , as there is no win .
The deal was always going to be one of compromise , and when the vote was made had not idea of what they were really voting for , or voted for a single issue or two .
I still think this issue is being used as a political battle in every quarter ,in every party ,and all of the parties are vying for a popular vote ,trouble is the country is split down the middle as is the parties .
I'm guessing those very parties are rubbing their hands in glee , with a no vote on the deal approaching , if that happens I'm hopping the main opposition parties come forward with their version of the deal to put it right ( part of me believes they don't have one, or do any better with regards to getting a deal, accepting to all )
I think folk should realise there is no good news on this one or golden opportunity.
Three resignations by 10 am - after all of the months of inertia things are certainly happening!
Daniel Norcross on The Cricket Social just now - will the Sri Lankan innings last longer than the current government?:hehe:
Well you would have hated to take up the mantle but Theresa May certainly barged her way to the front of the queue when the opportunity arose.
She then almost single handedly initiated and executed the worst election campaign in living memory when you look at the poll lead she frittered away and the weakness that introduced by having to rely upon a minority party.
She then painted a load of unnecessary red lines that appeased the hard Brexiteers but handcuffed negotiators and looked even weaker when these red lines were softened. Its difficult to remember that pre and post referendum a range of options what Brexit could be were being articulated by the same Tory ministers and backbenchers who now are filleting May for negotiating one they don't like.
To give her credit she seems to be driven by a sense of duty. She has survived this far mainly due to the cowardice of other Tories who would rather criticise and undermine but didn't have the guts to put themselves forward as alternatives when they knew they would have to pick up responsibility for a crock of shit.
Labour at one level has been little better as aside from a clearer commitment to being in a Customs Union it won't/can't articulate a clear vision that keeps its party/members/voters aligned. However where I disagree with your attempt to spread blame is that it is the duty of HM Opposition to oppose. The six tests, impossible as they are to achieve, are all promisory notes made to voters mainly by Tory Brexiteers or government.
The best way to get Labour to come clean on its vision for Brexit/not Brexit is via the ballot box where they will be forced to set this out in a way that there is no compelling need in opposition.
There is some reasonable debate taking place in this thread interspersed with the odd, and I mean odd, picture of european leaders with cupped hands over their mouths and you tube video presumably meant to signify some secret plot for the UK to remain in the EU. Alternatively a bit of predictable name calling that could annoy those on record of disparaging those who shoot the messenger rather than being able to articulate why they are disagreement with the message.
It's almost like triviality and the inability to articulate a rational argument was a prerequisite for Mensa membership these days!
Riveting stuff. First time watching a parliamentary session for two hours straight.
I feel a little sorry for May. She's trapped and there's **** all she can do about it . Not going down without a fight.
I agreed with her saying too many MPs are talking about what they wish would happen (second vote) rather than what is happening (brexit).
Not sure that your definition of the role of our sovereign Parliament is factually correct but there is a reasonable argument that the government and elected representatives should implement the outcome of the advisory referendum.
Out of interest what do you see as the will of the people? Is it the agreement that the government has negotiated with the EU or do you want something different?