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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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fugsyphil
Um we had a bloke who'd just lost 12 in 21 league and cup games winning just 5.
Lumping in (the games you choose) from last season and including League Cup games doesn't prove anything.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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NYCBlue
After 16 games? Of course it does! The league table doesn't lie until after 46 games have been played.
I honestly can’t see us improving. We have no strength in depth. Without Robinson I can’t see us getting much out of the next three games. Crowds will start to dwindle. Desperate times but once again, happy to be proved wrong and laughed at.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
4-4-2
Allsop
Sang
Ng
Kipre
Nkounkou
O’Dowda
Wintle
Ralls
Bagan
Whyte
Harris
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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BLUETIT
4-4-2
Allsop
Sang
Ng
Kipre
Nkounkou
O’Dowda
Wintle
Ralls
Bagan
Whyte
Harris
Guaranteed relegation with that team.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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UNDERHILL1927
Guaranteed relegation with that team.
Who else who is fit, would you play ?
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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BLUETIT
Who else who is fit, would you play ?
That’s my concern mate, no one!!! Wasn’t meant as a dig against you, I just don’t think we’re anywhere good enough
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
Having been at Loftus Road and watching the JB game on Sunday my immediate conclusion was the players on the pitch are not playing as a team and there's more shape in a jelly!
Much as I like Hudson and he seems a decent bloke I'm not convinced we'll stay up unless we get a proper manager in charge and some loan signings in key positions like full backs and a striker.
So to answer the question yes we are collectively in a mess right now!
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UNDERHILL1927
Guaranteed relegation with that team.
I didnt agree with your other guarantee relegation but that side every week would see us bottom and tailed off.😂😂😂
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Hilts
I didnt agree with your other guarantee relegation but that side every week would see us bottom and tailed off.
Again, who would you select out of our fit players ?
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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BLUETIT
Again, who would you select out of our fit players ?
Rino , I wouldnt play 442. So Whyte who I presume you have as a striker not in the side.
I also wouldnt want Bagan on the left with Nkounkou. He cant be fully fit so id keep O Dowda on the left with Nkonkou. Fully fit id have Bagan left back.
So id play Ojo in the 3 attackers - Sorry.😂
Im not saying thats a great looking line up either.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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NYCBlue
Lumping in (the games you choose) from last season and including League Cup games doesn't prove anything.
It was the last twenty league games, ok the cup game wasn't needed, under who you describe as someone who looked like a real manager.
25% win rate 55% losses is complete and utter tripe well worthy of dismissal. I went as far back as flashscores allowed me
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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UNDERHILL1927
Guaranteed relegation with that team.
I'd play Bagan at LB, with Odowda in front of him, and Etete and Harris
I want to see a Lb who can actually defend
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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olderblue
I'd play Bagan at LB, with Odowda in front of him, and Etete and Harris
I want to see a Lb who can actually defend
Agreed mate. For all his fancy play, a defender needs to defend.
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I wouldn't have Nkounko or Campbell anywhere near the squad never mind the first team.
If Romeo is fit again, he's straight back in, with Ng at CB, if Bagan isn't fit then Ng and Lb and Simpson in for Nelson
Sang is unlucky as he was our best player on Sunday
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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UNDERHILL1927
Agreed mate. For all his fancy play, a defender needs to defend.
Odd one, isn't it. Over the past 20 years, fullbacks have essentially become attackers, they look and play more like wingers, and in my opinion, not many of them are great defenders. They get out of jail through athleticism and pace, that's usually enough in that position, none of them are of the Lee Peltier school of fullbacks, defend first, only cross the halfway line in an emergency! (and peltier was a good defender) This lad from Everton is a disaster. I can honestly say that i have never seen anything like it. No urgency, no expression,he waggles a foot, it's like he's footballs equivalent of a goldfish and every 7 seconds he actually forgets why he on the pitch and what he has to do. He looks like he has just landed! He needs to go, and sharpish. The law of averages usually says that just by being in that position and making a bit of a nuisance of yourself, that a player will stop the opposition, his mere presence alone seems to help them.
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Tuerto
Odd one, isn't it. Over the past 20 years, fullbacks have essentially become attackers, they look and play more like wingers, and in my opinion, not many of them are great defenders. They get out of jail through athleticism and pace, that's usually enough in that position, none of them are of the Lee Peltier school of fullbacks, defend first, only cross the halfway line in an emergency! (and peltier was a good defender) This lad from Everton is a disaster. I can honestly say that i have never seen anything like it. No urgency, no expression,he waggles a foot, it's like he's footballs equivalent of a goldfish and every 7 seconds he actually forgets why he on the pitch and what he has to do. He looks like he has just landed! He needs to go, and sharpish. The law of averages usually says that just by being in that position and making a bit of a nuisance of yourself, that a player will stop the opposition, his mere presence alone seems to help them.
Id try him as a winger, what have we got to lose?
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UNDERHILL1927
Id try him as a winger, what have we got to lose?
Maybe. My biggest problem with him is well....everything! Have you ever seen a player with so little awareness? I was astonished by his performance against Swansea.
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Tuerto
Maybe. My biggest problem with him is well....everything! Have you ever seen a player with so little awareness? I was astonished by his performance against Swansea.
He seems to have zero peripheral vision.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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UNDERHILL1927
I hope so. A few injuries and lack of decision making by the board and we are in real trouble. As I said, I hope I’m wrong.
We aren’t scoring goals and I have no idea where they will come from. That’s the most concerning thing for me
We scored in each of Hudson's first 3 games and had one wrongly chalked off in his 4th. Early red cards have f*cked the last two. We have several important players out injured, add Colwill, Davies, Ng, Bagan and Romeo and it's a solid side
We'll be fine.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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UNDERHILL1927
Id try him as a winger, what have we got to lose?
I'd try him as a program seller first then working behind the bar and finally as a a ball boy
Mind you compared to Campbell, he looks like Rio Ferdinand
Who the **** watched these pair and thought they would be good for us🤷*♂️🤷*♂️🤷*♂️
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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fugsyphil
It was the last twenty league games, ok the cup game wasn't needed, under who you describe as someone who looked like a real manager.
25% win rate 55% losses is complete and utter tripe well worthy of dismissal. I went as far back as flashscores allowed me
When he was sacked this season after 10 games his record was W3 D2 L5. Since then we're W2 D1 L3.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
On an even spread of 10 games with and without Morison.
I probably would take just 4 points out of the next 3 games.
Not sure what conclusions the board can take from that?
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I think this weekend's game against Rotherham will be an answer to this question in itself.
If we are beaten at home against a newly promoted team then I think the fears are very real for relegation.
Yes, we are light up top but if the club ignore that position for virtually the whole summer and then make one last minute signing then that is the risk you take as a club.
They can blame Morison all they like but I for one don't think he did not mention how light we were up top until we brought Robinson through the door.
Lose to Rotherham or limp to a bore draw and I think we are very realistically looking at being in the relegation zone during the World Cup break.
We would then have a few months with a condensed fixture list to save our Championship back.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
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olderblue
I'd try him as a program seller first then working behind the bar and finally as a a ball boy
Mind you compared to Campbell, he looks like Rio Ferdinand
Who the **** watched these pair and thought they would be good for us🤷*♂️🤷*♂️🤷*♂️
Probably the highly thought of (in our boardroom) transfer committee.
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Re: Are we as bad as people have been making out?
Nkounkou is the worst defensive defender I’ve seen for a very long time if not ever, but in his defense it might look better as a wing back in a 5 with less defensive responsibility and more cover.
If he has to play as part of his agreement with Everton (which I don’t think has ever been confirmed) I’d have him as a winger and switch him with O’Dowda before I put him back at LB. Teams are clearly targeting him at this point and why not - it would be a really short scouting session.