Same question as posed to WB, what does your will look like in terms of the type of exit that would satisfy the reasons why you voted to leave?
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Apologies everybody. My fault I mentioned Trump's name so I should have guessed a sidetracking of the thread was not too far away
Where's is the alternative plan ,or voice that makes sense taking in the complexity of this exit , strangely May has a deal closer to the center of the Labour who want to say in ,rather than the right loops like Mogg , Boris ,Redwood ,she could pull the SNP closer as well .
Its a fascinating political moment In time, yes May's leadership is under the spotlight , however so are other leaders as the country is split ,and those very split people, vote in or out the politicians, so be careful ,for what you wish for is the message for them . .
There's talk of Theresa May being ousted by a vote of no confidence.
Surely the Conservatives already held a vote to decide their leader? She's only carrying out the will of the Tory party.
Of course, if they've changed their minds and are allowed to vote again, why shouldn't the electorate?
You can almost hear "Rule Britannia" playing in the background can't you, soon to be followed by "There'll Always be an England" no doubt.
In another post you said "their job now is to carry out the will of the people." - perhaps you can explain what the will of the people is? I know the vote was to leave, but isn't that what we would do if the document based on the Chequers Agreement was universally accepted and yet so many who voted leave don't like it.
When did the Daily Mail become a leftist newspaper?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsE6XMxWsAA1h62.jpg
[QUOTE=Wales-Bales;4927642]When did the Daily Mail become a leftist newspaper?
I think its more your own perception based on the other media you consume
Gove is sticking with May, who would have thought it :biggrin:
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At what price though ,if we crash out ,our European masters and those countries who have trade deals with them are not going to come running to us , or place us in the front of any queue ,they will listen and be guided by the bigger marketplace and controller , which is Europe .
Not sure about your circumstances , but his idea of crashing out in the short term ,could seriously effect the poor and disadvantaged
of our society ,we should take what's on offer and move on ,what we shouldn't do is disregard the deal simply because a Tory has agreed it , we need to be above the politicians who are politicizing this issue for personal gain ,and thats not just aimed at the Tories .
The inner details of this deal were agreed by civil servants anyway ,based on risk ,best interests of everyone and everything, not just the sad narrow points ,folk used the referendum for to beat up Europe , Governments or Migrants .
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...mpression=true
Not familiar with Llanelli, are Schaeffler a big employer?
Theresa May govt to ‘engineer financial crash’ to frighten MPs into voting for Brexit deal – report: https://www.rt.com/uk/444391-tories-...ampaign=chrome
Theresa May’s government are planning to “engineer a financial crash” if parliament fails to back their Brexit deal – in an attempt to frighten MPs into voting it through at a second vote, claims a source close to the PM’s aides.
Since agreeing a draft Brexit withdrawal deal with the EU on Wednesday, May has had to contend with a string of cabinet resignations and a huge backlash from rebel MPs.
The Sunday Times reports that, faced with the prospect of the deal being voted down, the UK government will attempt to plunge the financial markets into chaos – in a bid to scare MPs into eventually voting it through on a second vote.
A source, who has discussed the issue with May’s officials, has told the paper that No 10 has come up with a dark plan to twist the arms of MPs to force through their Brexit deal.
“No 10’s plan is to encourage a crash in financial markets after losing a first vote in the hope this stampedes MPs into voting for it second time,” the source claims.
Perhaps the opposition parties could foil this plot and vote for the deal ,all done and dusted then .
I can imagine the headlines now ::
"May 's financial crash plan plan foiled , by clever ,caring politicians ""
Labour win the next election rise to power after saving the country from turmoil .
Alienate the 52 and the 48 and win the next election? Something tells me you arent going to be snapped up as a political strategist any time soon.
I know life long Tory remainers and Brexiteers both saying they will never vote for them again. Labour are best off sticking to their plan, it isn't their deal and isn't their responsibility to push it through parliament when it doesn't meet their 'tests'
I'm not sure the 52 / 48 will be the same now .
I don't need to be advised , that I wouldn't profess to being a political strategist, thank you anyway for pointing it out , I didn't think it was a necessary qualification to enter a debate on CCMB . I will leave that skill and bow to the greater and good on this board like yourself .
One is allowed a view or opinion ,however it resonates with others of a different view . The challenge though is how that is managed and deploying a debate without attracting cheap one line comments , which usually suggests one has lost the debate , thankfully the world of control speech is not yet upon us ,and a lot of contributors have manners and very interesting views .
PS ( I do have a vast experience in debate , through my career path)
Oh god are you being denied your right to free expression because I criticised what you said and made a joke??
You have acted like a right baby in some of the threads about anti-Semitism, completely unwilling to the debate the issue in a sensible fashion so for you to get on your high horse about a couple of throwaway comments is just pathetic really. You get treated how you treat others.
Let me help you , below are some of your throwaway lines :
I didn't realise you were present in the negotiations.
What a load of rubbish. I know you lot love a good 'enemies of the people' collage but you should at least have something juicy on them. The cherry on top, '20 year career at pro EU bank', wtf does...
You would have to be pretty short on brain cells to not realise that Brexit done 'well' means more civil servants and more travelling.
I think you need help. Can't you see that you are the one person on here who regularly does all the things you mention in your post?
I knew you would chime in with that, **** you man.
I didn't realise you were present in the negotiations.
A quick look at Schaeffler’s wiki page shows that its CEO is Klaus Rosenfeld. Googling his name with “Angela Merkel” brings up an article with this photo of Klaus sitting next to Merkel at her first meeting with Trump at the White House in March 2017. Ivanka is to Merkel’s right.
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He is clearly a very good friend of Merkel’s. Maybe Llanelli is being punished for voting Leave? À la Grecque.
https://www.wa.de/hamm/angela-merkel...p-8005387.html