Re: Government in contempt of Parliament
One such interview in the Guardian was ambiguous and meandering as my posts , where JC spoke about an alternative deal with frictinlous trade, in a single market, at no extra costs.
Hows that possible , without free movement and not being in Europe.
Sorry I find that as fanciful as May's daft plan .
Again where is the alternative, or is this smoke and mirrors.
If Labour are not careful they could see a backlash at the polls, with the bloody Tories back in for another term .
Again, Labour be big , brave, and revolutionary as your leader used to be on the back benches.
And get another leader to face up to May .
Re: Government in contempt of Parliament
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life on mars
One such interview in the Guardian was ambiguous and meandering as my posts , where JC spoke about an alternative deal with frictinlous trade, in a single market, at no extra costs.
Hows that possible , without free movement and not being in Europe.
Sorry I find that as fanciful as May's daft plan .
Again where is the alternative, or is this smoke and mirrors.
If Labour are not careful they could see a backlash at the polls, with the bloody Tories back in for another term .
Again, Labour be big , brave, and revolutionary as your leader used to be on the back benches.
And get another leader to face up to May .
What about the people who told us we should leave the EU. Do they need to come up with a plan?
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life on mars
One such interview in the Guardian was ambiguous and meandering as my posts , where JC spoke about an alternative deal with frictinlous trade, in a single market, at no extra costs.
Hows that possible , without free movement and not being in Europe.
Sorry I find that as fanciful as May's daft plan .
Again where is the alternative, or is this smoke and mirrors.
If Labour are not careful they could see a backlash at the polls, with the bloody Tories back in for another term .
Again, Labour be big , brave, and revolutionary as your leader used to be on the back benches.
And get another leader to face up to May .
So if I understand it you think May's deal and the Labour alternative (which somehow similtaneously exists and at the same time is smoke and mirrors) are equally fanciful. Some progress at least.
Re: Government in contempt of Parliament
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What about the people who told us we should leave the EU. Do they need to come up with a plan?
Think that's known , again not detail, but someting moronically simplistic , along the lines of (a) no deal (b) crash out , (c)take up WTO rules (d) prey.
Which makes all their, criticisms rather ironic.
Re: Government in contempt of Parliament
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cyril evans awaydays
So if I understand it you think May's deal and the Labour alternative (which somehow similtaneously exists and at the same time is smoke and mirrors) are equally fanciful. Some progress at least.
Well the conspiracy could be to force a second referendum and overturn the first however.
What we do know, May does have an actual readable detailed document ( however bad it is ) we also know theres no alternative document , unless you can point me in the direction of one ?
In case my views are once again becoming meandering , which I am prone too do , the clue in all this, are the critical words :
A detailed ,readable ,alternative plan, published as an actual , document,seeking a solution .
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life on mars
Well the conspiracy could be to force a second referendum and overturn the first however.
What we do know, May does have an actual readable detailed document ( however bad it is ) we also know theres no alternative document , unless you can point me in the direction of one ?
In case my views are once again becoming meandering , which I am prone too do , the clue in all this, are the critical words :
A detailed ,readable ,alternative plan, published as an actual , document,seeking a solution .
The withdrawal agreement you mean?
The clue is in the second word. It is an agreement between two parties. Nobody else has spent two years negotiating with the EU so all anyone else can publish is a framework from which they would negotiate hence why they appear to you to not be detailed enough.
The pamphlet about the future relationship published by the government contains no detail because those negotiations havent taken place yet. Can you see? when negotiations havent taken place, all you can put forward is a set of aims.
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Eric Cartman
The withdrawal agreement you mean?
The clue is in the second word. It is an agreement between two parties. Nobody else has spent two years negotiating with the EU so all anyone else can publish is a framework from which they would negotiate hence why they appear to you to not be detailed enough.
The pamphlet about the future relationship published by the government contains no detail because those negotiations havent taken place yet. Can you see? when negotiations havent taken place, all you can put forward is a set of aims.
Yes ,understand , but it does have detail you read .follow , understand ,argue or disagree thats the clue details e .
Where is the other parties details of argument please forward a link so I can read the document
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life on mars
Yes ,understand , but it does have detail you read .follow , understand ,argue or disagree thats the clue details e .
Where is the other parties details of argument please forward a link so I can read the document
I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
Detail isn't possible or worth anything until you have been involved in formal negotiations.
Do you remember the government giving
any detail before the negotiations had taken place? No, we were given some vague soundbites, like brexit means brexit, and red lines and told if they revealed more it would 'weaken their hand'.
This is similar to labour now but I don't remember you criticising the government for this back then.
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Eric Cartman
I don't know how much clearer I can make this.
Detail isn't possible or worth anything until you have been involved in formal negotiations.
Do you remember the government giving
any detail before the negotiations had taken place? No, we were given some vague soundbites, like brexit means brexit, and red lines and told if they revealed more it would 'weaken their hand'.
This is similar to labour now but I don't remember you criticising the government for this back then.
No critsim of anyone as I dislike all parties , as a side issue are you am actual Cardiff City fan , as your lack of comment on footy matters is strange compared to politics?
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life on mars
No critsim of anyone as I dislike all parties , as a side issue are you am actual Cardiff City fan , as your lack of comment on footy matters is strange compared to politics?
Could always be that he has the patience to explain the same thing 25 times which inevitably increases his percentage of political posts!
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cyril evans awaydays
Could always be that he has the patience to explain the same thing 25 times which inevitably increases his percentage of political posts!
Or Cyril worried about Eric. One was rather quick to reply on Eric's behalf ,which us very fetching , anyway good win today ,duck Corbyn and May.
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life on mars
Or Cyril worried about Eric. One was rather quick to reply on Eric's behalf ,which us very fetching , anyway good win today ,duck Corbyn and May.
Not sure what the speed of response has to do with what I said and I am sure the guy can answer for himself. Back home from the footie after a long wet journey and as you say a good win today. See you at Watford!
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cyril evans awaydays
Not sure what the speed of response has to do with what I said and I am sure the guy can answer for himself. Back home from the footie after a long wet journey and as you say a good win today. See you at Watford!
Yes shit weather, so glad we won .
Can't make Watford , got a Brexit meeting . 😁
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life on mars
Yes shit weather, so glad we won .
Can't make Watford , got a Brexit meeting . 😁
Good luck with the meeting. Remember to take lots of detailed, readable notes! :-)
Re: Government in contempt of Parliament
Is parliament in contempt of the people ?
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life on mars
Is parliament in contempt of the people ?
Once again, no.
Were you the guy who took a noose to the protest?
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Eric Cartman
Once again, no.
Were you the guy who took a noose to the protest?
I dont nooooose what you mean , I'm not really hung about the bloody thing,its just ropey politics .
Gotta dash twitters is kicking off,chamber is very noisy all of a sudden , I will keep the updates flowing ,and I am feeding your comments into the correct channels .
Re: Government in contempt of Parliament
Latest , there may never be a meaningful vote at all . Or a vote on a vote whether to have a vote , that may result on no meaningful vote , gotta dash MP'S are twittering.