It would appear that reports were off the mark. The government has published an economic analysis of the impact of its Chequers proposal but not the deal negotiated and agreed!
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It would appear that reports were off the mark. The government has published an economic analysis of the impact of its Chequers proposal but not the deal negotiated and agreed!
Thanks for that. I agree with you about the possible cost to the social cohesion of the country. I don't see anyway out of the situation that satisfies everyone, there are going to be some very angry people around when any attempt for us to get back to "normal" is attempted - not that we're going to be in a position which could be called normal for years yet.
I blame the people who, for years, said 'just pick an issue and vote based on that'. Effectively saying, don't worry if you don't understand and can't be bothered to seek out further information, just vote based on whatever vague uninformed belief you already have inside you.
That is the weakness of democracy methinks. You only have to witness the TV reporters' vox pop interviews in any high street in the land to prove that most people don't seem even to make an effort to inform themselves about important issues that they vote on.
BBC are up to no good again. Last week the audience and panel of question time was a love in for May's deal and this week they are teaming up with number 10 to push the angle that Corbyn is running scared of a debate even though labour have already agreed a date and time with itv.
Having said that, I still can't work out the point of a televised debate when we don't get to make a decision about anything.
It's all a bit of a laugh
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cabinet Resignation of the Year, shared by Dominic Raab and David Davis - <a href="https://twitter.com/FraserNelson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FraserNelson</a>: “The first 2 Brexit Secretaries of 2018” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpecAwards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Spec Awards</a> <a href="https://t.co/cSjgWkaYB1">pic.twitter.com/cSjgWkaYB1</a></p>— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) <a href="https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1067908782364200961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
[QUOTE=lardy;4929653]It's all a bit of a laugh
A bit premature in my opinion given there are almost five weeks of 2018 left yet!
Think this article hits some points well
Let’s be honest about what’s really driving Brexit: bigotry
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y_to_clipboard
Plan C - the second referendum
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46416591
Wouldn't it be funny if no was even bigger this time around, lol.
I did a small poll recently amongst friends, etc about which way they'd vote again based on the remainers theory folks are more informed ,and it surprised me they were unchanged and most wanted out ,some even more than last time as they think Europe has been bullish in trying to squeeze us into a second referendum as they don't like our first decision.
What do you mean by escaped the EU?
A territory (Greenland) left the EU after a single referendum and a number of other countries have ratified decisions against further integration on a single referendum such as Sweden and Denmarks' decision not to use the Euro. The overwhelming majority of referendums have been in favour of proposals or have ratified Treaties. The Danes held two votes on the Maastricht Treaty and the Irish two votes on the Treaties of Nice and Lisbon.
So the UK is the only country that has sought to escape the EU. Whether there is a second referendum is still a point of debate.
Leaked Commons legal analysis of Brexit deal vindicates Trump, contradicts May and adds to Brexiteers’ concerns
https://brexitcentral.com/leaked-com...eers-concerns/
It's good to see Bercow going through the motions...
A thought occurs to me, if all of the members of the Conservative and Unionist party who keep on going on about how the Union must be maintained were presented with an ultimatum which said the only way possible to maintain Northern Ireland as a part of the United Kingdom in the way that it is now was to abandon Brexit, what would they decide? With the weather the way it's been, I've been stuck in the house for the last couple of days and spent yesterday afternoon watching the debate on BBC Parliament. There were so many MPs who spoke about the backstop and how it was unacceptable to them because they were a Unionist, but what are their stronger beliefs, the Union or Brexit? We are close to the situation that I outlined above now, but I see little sign that there would be many who would put the Union above Brexit.
The betrayal of Brexit March sounds well attended.
About as much as we had for a Tuesday game against Rochdale in the 1990s.
Actually, sorry about that they’ve slightly more to be honest 😃
Docility is why it's so easy for politicians to hoof Brexit into the ether. They understand people's commitment to it begun and ended with a trip to polling stations to place an X next to their preferred option.
Vote being pulled
Vote now is in the long grass .
Latest , there may never be a meaningful vote at all .
Jon Snow on Twitter;-
"As May postpones/abandons her attempt to sell and win a vote on her Brexit deal, the faces on government benches are uniformly deeply glum: This moment represents a rock bottom low in British politics"
Feels like a lifetime but this was 3.5 years ago.
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