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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
if we're talking the smiths let's go the whole hog and let's not forget the rhythm section either .Andy Rourke the best bass player the UK has produced since the 80;s !.
His riff in Still Ill is to die for.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
If you think Marr was going to make it no matter what, why wouldn't you think Morrissey wouldn't? :hehe:
The Smiths would be nothing without Moz's lyrics, and they'd be nothing without Marr's guitar. There's no question who's had a better career, though! I love Johnny Marr though, he is far less controversial without a doubt, but if you read his book he literally says the way Morrissey handled the press in early outset is one of the fundamental reasons they were so different to everyone else on the scene.
Because Morrissey was in his bedroom writing about the New York Dolls until Johnny Marr literally knocked on the door.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
Marr decided to stop it yeah. I think Strangeways was them finding their groove to the extent they all outlived the band. Rourke obviously had his issues whilst Joyce pretended to contribute in the background. Listen to A Rush and a Push and you could see they were starting to go in a completely new direction. They came close to reforming in roughly 2008ish when Marr and Moz met in a pub for a catch up after about 10 years. Marr was up for it but Moz never got back to him (according to Marr).
Mike Joyce had the same problem Andy Rourke did. Probably worse.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
Marr decided to stop it yeah. I think Strangeways was them finding their groove to the extent they all outlived the band. Rourke obviously had his issues whilst Joyce pretended to contribute in the background. Listen to A Rush and a Push and you could see they were starting to go in a completely new direction. They came close to reforming in roughly 2008ish when Marr and Moz met in a pub for a catch up after about 10 years. Marr was up for it but Moz never got back to him (according to Marr).
And I've read his book.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
Because Morrissey was in his bedroom writing about the New York Dolls until Johnny Marr literally knocked on the door.
Fair sure Morrissey was quite well known in the music circles of Manchester both for his writing & for shortly being in the Nosebleeds. He wasn't a unknown. He's one of those people who was too talented to not make it, same as Marr. They're both great.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
Mike Joyce had the same problem Andy Rourke did. Probably worse.
Good.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
Good.
If there ever was a Smiths reunion I'm pretty sure that Mike Joyce wouldn't be involved.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
if we're talking the smiths let's go the whole hog and let's not forget the rhythm section either .Andy Rourke the best bass player the UK has produced since the 80;s !.
No Peter Hook or Simon Gallup?
I think young Baker should start investigating Joy Division, the Cure and New Order. What joys lay ahead for those who have yet discover the past :biggrin:
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
if we're talking the smiths let's go the whole hog and let's not forget the rhythm section either .Andy Rourke the best bass player the UK has produced since the 80;s !.
Manny might have something to say about that. And a few others. Andy Rourke is a very competent and tasteful bass player though.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
If there ever was a Smiths reunion I'm pretty sure that Mike Joyce wouldn't be involved.
Yeah, that's what I mean by good. You've read the books and you know how much they resent the idea all down to the band's name being dragged through a court case
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
No Peter Hook or Simon Gallup?
I think young Baker should start investigating Joy Division, the Cure and New Order. What joys lay ahead for those who have yet discover the past :biggrin:
Oh look, another tool who thinks he knows music more because he's older.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
Yeah, that's what I mean by good. You've read the books and you know how much they resent the idea all down to the band's name being dragged through a court case
A lot of water under the bridge since then.
Joyce and Mozza are obviously not the closest of mates but there’s a recent interview with Joyce where he’s sticking up for Morrissey.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
Oh look, another tool who thinks he knows music more because he's older.
I know about music cos I've spent a lifetime doing it you twonk, and I can actually play real instruments :biggrin: From that era Joy Division, Cure, New Order, Smiths & Pixies were all great and still have an influence on today's bands. On a sidenote, I have listened to music going back to the 1920s, and also across multiple genres from classical to jazz, so it's got bugger all to do with age! :thumbup:
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
A lot of water under the bridge since then.
Joyce and Mozza are obviously not the closest of mates but there’s a recent interview with Joyce where he’s sticking up for Morrissey.
Fairly sure that was Rourke that was standing up for Moz? Unless something miraculous has happened!
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I know about music cos I've spent a lifetime doing it you twonk, and I can actually play real instruments :biggrin: From that era Joy Division, Cure, New Order, Smiths & Pixies were all great and still have an influence on today's bands. On a sidenote, I have listened to music going back to the 1920s, and also across multiple genres from classical to jazz, so it's got bugger all to do with age! :thumbup:
:hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
"I play real instruments"
Couldn't write it. Thanks for the morning entertainment.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
Fairly sure that was Rourke that was standing up for Moz? Unless something miraculous has happened!
https://youtu.be/iTciZ4wFOao
Awful interviewer who’s trying to get something out of Joyce.
Think Joyce handles it really well.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
:hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
"I play real instruments"
Couldn't write it. Thanks for the morning entertainment.
I've got the full monty, Gibson, Fender, Roland, Korg, etc., pop around for a fiddle. If you're any good I've got enough gear to get you to Glastonbury, and easily enough to record an original album. Can you sing or do you just talk drivel? :hehe:
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
Wow! Thanks for this.
Mike Joyce: I've never seen him say anything remotely racist, ever. His parents are immigrants themselves
BOOM.
End of discussion. Literally from someone Moz hates.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
Wow! Thanks for this.
Mike Joyce: I've never seen him say anything remotely racist, ever. His parents are immigrants themselves
BOOM.
End of discussion. Literally from someone Moz hates.
But he hasn't spoken to him in over 30 years.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
Wow! Thanks for this.
Mike Joyce: I've never seen him say anything remotely racist, ever. His parents are immigrants themselves
BOOM.
End of discussion. Literally from someone Moz hates.
"you can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies"
Boom, end of discussion, literally from Morrissey's mouth
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
City123
"you can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies"
Boom, end of discussion, literally from Morrissey's mouth
"If anyone has seen the horrific and unwatchable footage of the Chinese cat and dog trade – animals skinned alive – then they could not possibly argue in favour of China as a caring nation. There are no animal protection laws in China and this results in the worst animal abuse and cruelty on the planet. It is indefensible."
""Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies.""
He's extremely passionate about animal welfare, the way China treats animals is absolute horrific. I doubt he hates Chinese people, he was just speaking passionately about the subject - and to be honest the way they treat animals is absolutely un-human. How anyone can defend it is beyond me!
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
"If anyone has seen the horrific and unwatchable footage of the Chinese cat and dog trade – animals skinned alive – then they could not possibly argue in favour of China as a caring nation. There are no animal protection laws in China and this results in the worst animal abuse and cruelty on the planet. It is indefensible."
""Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies.""
He's extremely passionate about animal welfare, the way China treats animals is absolute horrific. I doubt he hates Chinese people, he was just speaking passionately about the subject - and to be honest the way they treat animals is absolutely un-human. How anyone can defend it is beyond me!
Someone who isn't racist wouldn't say something like "the Chinese are a subspecies" in any context
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
City123
Someone who isn't racist wouldn't say something like "the Chinese are a subspecies" in any context
That is your observation, but I bet you don't have any conclusive evidence?
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Baker
"If anyone has seen the horrific and unwatchable footage of the Chinese cat and dog trade – animals skinned alive – then they could not possibly argue in favour of China as a caring nation. There are no animal protection laws in China and this results in the worst animal abuse and cruelty on the planet. It is indefensible."
""Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies.""
He's extremely passionate about animal welfare, the way China treats animals is absolute horrific. I doubt he hates Chinese people, he was just speaking passionately about the subject - and to be honest the way they treat animals is absolutely un-human. How anyone can defend it is beyond me!
There's 1.3billion of them, what a stupid racist thing to imply.
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Re: Morrissey's New Album
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
There's 1.3billion of them.
Does that include the ones who have been sent to re-education camps?
