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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I accept that you are concerned that people in Wales might call the country by its own proper name in its own language.
How long have you been speaking Welsh as a living language ?
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
There is no proper name. If you go down that route, you have to start thinking in terms of a proper accent, being more *insert national identity* than the next person. It's already happening in this thread. You're doing it. I'm not having a go at you and I don't think it's malicious and I don't want to fall out with anyone....but this is where this stuff always goes and I'm sick of it tbh. F*ck anthems, flags and the like. It's not for me.
No I'm not. Wales official name in our own language is Cymru. Sorry you hate that.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
How long have you been speaking Welsh as a living language ?
So Wales shouldn't be called Cymru?
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
No I'm not. Wales official name in our own language is Cymru. Sorry you hate that.
I don't hate it Eric. You're missing the point but I'll leave it there.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
I don't hate it Eric. You're missing the point but I'll leave it there.
If you don't hate it, I don't see the problem.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Cardiff Ultra
Its part of the (imho) aggressive push of the language which is absolutely tied to Welsh nationalism.
Yes Cymru are promoted in the welsh press and media as being a growing movement regarding Welsh independence
I think it's a con trick
If Wales was hurtling towards independence why do Plaid Cymru have less backing than the dreaded tories and why are marches of a few thousand people in Cardiff reported as significant ?
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
There is no proper name. If you go down that route, you have to start thinking in terms of a proper accent, being more *insert national identity* than the next person. It's already happening in this thread. You're doing it. I'm not having a go at you and I don't think it's malicious and I don't want to fall out with anyone....but this is where this stuff always goes and I'm sick of it tbh. F*ck anthems, flags and the like. It's not for me.
It's only a proposition regarding changing the nomenclature of the country to something more germane than the word 'foreigner', old fruit.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If you don't hate it, I don't see the problem.
You can object to something without hating it
I object to motor racing , darts and snooker on the TV and it bores me but I don't hate it
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Yes Cymru are promoted in the welsh press and media as being a growing movement regarding Welsh independence
I think it's a con trick
If Wales was hurtling towards independence why do Plaid Cymru have less backing than the dreaded tories and why are marches of a few thousand people in Cardiff reported as significant ?
In fairness, you see South Wales as an extended part of the SW of England and have said so several times.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
So Wales shouldn't be called Cymru?
The question I have asked you is how long have you been speaking Welsh?
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
In fairness, you see South Wales as an extended part of the SW of England and have said so several times.
Well the history of South East Wales since industrialisation is closer to Bristol and Gloucester than it is the rolling hills of dyfed
Or are you saying that's incorrect ?
Bristol , Somerset etc is a mixture of urban , semi urban and rural communities and is densely populated and cosmopolitan
Just like South East Wales
And very much unlike the rest of Wales
Non ?
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
It's only a proposition regarding changing the nomenclature of the country to something more germane than the word 'foreigner', old fruit.
I think that's a quaint but naive view tbh and I respect your interest in language/s. I have other concerns which I've outlined.
Language changes. You know this. They're all made-up words and looking backwards to a 'Golden Age' is where a lot of nationalistic problems start happening and that stuff gets exploited.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
I think that's a quaint but naive view tbh and I respect your interest in language/s. I have other concerns which I've outlined.
Language changes. You know this. They're all made-up words and looking backwards to a 'Golden Age' is where a lot of nationalistic problems start happening and that stuff gets exploited.
Quaint and naive. That's me :thumbup:
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The question I have asked you is how long have you been speaking Welsh?
Ask away. It's utterly irrelevant.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Well the history of South East Wales since industrialisation is closer to Bristol and Gloucester than it is the rolling hills of dyfed
Or are you saying that's incorrect ?
Bristol , Somerset etc is a mixture of urban , semi urban and rural communities and is densely populated and cosmopolitan
Just like South East Wales
And very much unlike the rest of Wales
Non ?
Up to you, but it explains why you see yourself as barely Welsh.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
On Monday I had the pleasure of being a part of the opening ceremony of the World Kickboxing Championship at Cardiff Castle. I spoke for a short while to a Canadian lady, who was delighted to hear the choir I was with singing Yma O Hyd in Welsh. She had stayed in Cardiff over the weekend and was disappointed not to have heard any Welsh at all as she moved around the city.
In short, she said we should be so proud as a country to have our own language. We should be proud of something that is a big part of our identity as a country and we need to do everything we can to protect, promote and use it. To hear that from someone who lives that far away was quite something.
Think welsh is the 4th most used language in cardiff isn’t it? I barely know anyone who speaks it, those who do all went to glantaff or a few who moved down from the north.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
goats
Think welsh is the 4th most used language in cardiff isn’t it? I barely know anyone who speaks it, those who do all went to glantaff or a few who moved down from the north.
And?
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Ask away. It's utterly irrelevant.
Well that may be determined later
Are you a lifelong Welsh speaker or an adult learner
Or what
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Well that may be determined later
Are you a lifelong Welsh speaker or an adult learner
Or what
Determine it now.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Up to you, but it explains why you see yourself as barely Welsh.
Well I don't see myself as barely Welsh
I was born here, went to school here and returned here after university and early work years
I spend my money here , I voted for the Welsh assembly , I go on holiday in Wales, I follow the football team that represents the capital city of this country and when Wales are playing football I don't support England or Iceland , I support Wales
This country has changed since 1800 and these days the area we live in has more in common with North Somerset, Tyneside , West Yorkshire etc
That means people from all over the place live here and not everybody is Welsh or speaks Welsh
In fact most of us don't. I know the language was trampled on but thankfully it's strong .
However much you want the country to be like you want it to be with its own parliament and its own tax raising powers and its independence the majority of people want and support a strong language but want to be in the same sort of legal and financial system as people in Somerset, Yorkshire and Cornwall .
I think you are a nationalist and the reason why you grab hold of luckies like the FAW is that it brings you closer to what you want .
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Determine it now.
I think you are a Welsh learner
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Quaint and naive. That's me :thumbup:
:hehe: ....much better than being a cynical Mr Angry Citizen like me!
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I think you are a Welsh learner
Perhaps you will explain the point to this.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Well I don't see myself as barely Welsh
I was born here, went to school here and returned here after university and early work years
I spend my money here , I voted for the Welsh assembly , I go on holiday in Wales, I follow the football team that represents the capital city of this country and when Wales are playing football I don't support England or Iceland , I support Wales
This country has changed since 1800 and these days the area we live in has more in common with North Somerset, Tyneside , West Yorkshire etc
That means people from all over the place live here and not everybody is Welsh or speaks Welsh
In fact most of us don't. I know the language was trampled on but thankfully it's strong .
However much you want the country to be like you want it to be with its own parliament and its own tax raising powers and its independence the majority of people want and support a strong language but want to be in the same sort of legal and financial system as people in Somerset, Yorkshire and Cornwall .
I think you are a nationalist and the reason why you grab hold of luckies like the FAW is that it brings you closer to what you want .
Congratulations for completely misrepresenting me on all counts and talking rubbish.
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Re: Wales considering renaming as Cymru
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Congratulations for completely misrepresenting me on all counts and talking rubbish.
So you are not a nationalist ?
I find that incredibly hard not to believe