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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
So if we can’t blame the manager for these tactics who can we blame?
Page is out of his depth. He’s got to go.
Exactly. It's so telling that he went with the exact same setup and team that beat Croatia just assuming that would work. Croatia home and Armenia away are completely different propositions and need a different setup! We ended up with almost a back 7 at times yesterday with how deep Ampadu and James were with no connection at all between midfield and attack
For all the shit he got after we beat Croatia without him, we really missed Ramsey yesterday
I think another issue is players have become too comfortable in their positions in the squad, we saw similar toward the end with Coleman. Connor Roberts has been dogshit for a while now but there's no question he'll start on Tuesday, he needs competition
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
So if we can’t blame the manager for these tactics who can we blame?
Page is out of his depth. He’s got to go.
He's not the best but come on our side lacks an Ashley Williams, Ramsey , Bale etc
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
City123
Exactly. It's so telling that he went with the exact same setup and team that beat Croatia just assuming that would work. Croatia home and Armenia away are completely different propositions and need a different setup! We ended up with almost a back 7 at times yesterday with how deep Ampadu and James were with no connection at all between midfield and attack
For all the shit he got after we beat Croatia without him, we really missed Ramsey yesterday
I think another issue is players have become too comfortable in their positions in the squad, we saw similar toward the end with Coleman. Connor Roberts has been dogshit for a while now but there's no question he'll start on Tuesday, he needs competition
It's not just the likes of Ramsey
Bale , Williams and some quality up front
Page is doing his best but most of the team didn't turn up
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
You can’t just blame the manager because a player as talented as Johnson produces his club form so rarely in international football.
That's exactly why I blame the international manager. He's clearly doing something wrong with him
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
It is obvious that we have players who can get results, the Croatia home game was evidence of that.
A good manager/coach would how to get the best from each of them in any given scenario and unfortunately Page is not that man.
Re his ridiculously timed contract, we have gone for the cheap option once again.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It's not just the likes of Ramsey
Bale , Williams and some quality up front
Page is doing his best but most of the team didn't turn up
Isn't it his job to get them to turn up?
There are times when you feel players can throw their coaches underneath the bus with their match performances and effort.
Wales yesterday did look half arsed but I'll put that down to the negative and lack of ambition they started the game.
That's down to the coaching staff.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
We don’t deserve to be going to a major finals.
Let’s be honest. The home game against Croatia aside we’ve been absolute dog shit this campaign.
You seem to be correct on this occasion, sad to say.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Isn't it his job to get them to turn up?
There are times when you feel players can throw their coaches underneath the bus with their match performances and effort.
Wales yesterday did look half arsed but I'll put that down to the negative and lack of ambition they started the game.
That's down to the coaching staff.
Armenia prove there are no mugs in international football these days
We don't have the squad we had in 2016
No manager can turn water into wine
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
I assume the new contract was 4 years in order to cover two campaigns. To give him 3 years wouldn't have made sense and 2 (for one campaign) a bit churlish.
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Re: ARMENIA v WALES. Match thread
The golden era sadly is all over , the new lads are good but not as good as the Bales , Rambo 's , Ashley Williams .Joe Allen in their prime ,and it must be tough carrying the past success of other in your mind .
Folk say other teams this and that , reff's, Manager decision etc this is about Wales under performing and lacking real top end quality and the new breed are not able to deliver when it matters .
Dan James , Wilson are a shadow of their past , Moore well enough said about his obvious limitations , he is lucky he is Welsh ( oh hang On ? ) , if Sparky,Rush types were about ,he'd have to declare himself Maltese or from San Marino to get a gig.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Armenia prove there are no mugs in international football these days
We don't have the squad we had in 2016
No manager can turn water into wine
Utter nonsense.
Armenia are ranked 95th in the world.
For a reason.
Last month they list to Latvia, ranked 132.
They outplayed us in both games due to the management.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
You seem to be correct on this occasion, sad to say.
Yawn
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
He's not the best but come on our side lacks an Ashley Williams, Ramsey , Bale etc
What do you care? Why are you even involved in this thread?
As you’ve stated many times you don’t give a flying F about international football.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Utter nonsense.
Armenia are ranked 95th in the world.
For a reason.
Last month they list to Latvia, ranked 132.
They outplayed us in both games due to the management.
7 defensive outfield players against the mighty Armenia. Because he didn’t want to change a winning team. Let’s be fair.
It’s not Aberfan SC, you didn’t play last game and we won so I can’t change it ffs. Horses for courses, we didn’t need to play the same team and tactics for Armenia that we did Croatia!!
He’s got to go. He’s so far out of his depth not even arm bands and a rubber ring can save him.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
fugsyphil
That's exactly why I blame the international manager. He's clearly doing something wrong with him
So you think a footballer’s ability can be turned on and off like a tap because of who his manager is?
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
So you think a footballer’s ability can be turned on and off like a tap because of who his manager is?
Eh no? I think Page isn't getting the best out of him by a long way which is down to Page's tactics
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
fugsyphil
Eh no? I think Page isn't getting the best out of him by a long way which is down to Page's tactics
Nice excuse to have for someone who should probably by our best player by now to have, my poor displays for my country are all down to the manager - Johnson’s not played well for Wales for about eighteen months, he should carry some responsibility for that.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Nice excuse to have for someone who should probably by our best player by now to have, my poor displays for my country are all down to the manager - Johnson’s not played well for Wales for about eighteen months, he should carry some responsibility for that.
Where do you believe Johnson most effective position is?
I would say he is an out-and-out inside forward, closer to a centre forward, than an attacking midfielder like Wilson, they are not like-for-like. Wilson could play 8 effectively, whilst Johnson could/has played "9".
Johnson should have been in line with Moore to be effective, but was 10 meters deeper. I doubt he did that on his own.
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
So you think a footballer’s ability can be turned on and off like a tap because of who his manager is?
Oh dear
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Utter nonsense.
Armenia are ranked 95th in the world.
For a reason.
Last month they list to Latvia, ranked 132.
They outplayed us in both games due to the management.
Iceland did England
It was hilarious
It happens
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
What do you care? Why are you even involved in this thread?
As you’ve stated many times you don’t give a flying F about international football.
Why are you on this message board you klutz
Go on Merthyr fc
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
I find it remarkable that some think that the first thing in a player’s mind when playing for Wales is whether or not they save the manager’s job. Shouldn’t their first thought be qualification for themselves, their families and the fans? I’m sure it is. Why is every game turned into a ‘manager’s future’ question by the media and some fans?
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
It was poetic, but do you think that all his managerial experience was underdog football, and didn't really have a clue (at that level) how to manage top sides expected to win nearly every game
Same as Page, no idea if it's not roll up your sleeves it's back to the wall boys stuff
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Iceland did England
It was hilarious
It happens
It was poetic, but do you think that all his managerial experience was underdog football, and didn't really have a clue (at that level) how to manage top sides expected to win nearly every game
Same as Page, no idea if it's not roll up your sleeves it's back to the wall boys stuff
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Re: FT: ARMENIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Dave Blue
I find it remarkable that some think that the first thing in a player’s mind when playing for Wales is whether or not they save the manager’s job. Shouldn’t their first thought be qualification for themselves, their families and the fans? I’m sure it is. Why is every game turned into a ‘manager’s future’ question by the media and some fans?
Ridiculous expectations from the media and some of the fans
If page and the players he manages were world beaters he would be running one of the big 6 premier league clubs and the Welsh squad would all be players at those sort of clubs
Some of our fans sound like the entitled English types
If someone better than page comes along after he is hounded out then that's the way it goes
If my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle