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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
Nick
I was just responding to your posts. That’s what it’s got to do with you??!!
Do you just roll the dice and click post or was it meant to mean something?
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Do you just roll the dice and click post or was it meant to mean something?
I’ll leave it there. You are quite obviously off on one.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
Nick
I’ll leave it there. You are quite obviously off on one.
Mate you are none too new and you definitely have got passive aggressive tendencies there. You could be a replicant shamed by your fellows to swap your skin/handle. Nothing wrong with the triple lock in and off itself.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
joecity
Mate you are none too new and you definitely have got passive aggressive tendencies there. You could be a replicant shamed by your fellows to swap your skin/handle. Nothing wrong with the triple lock in and off itself.
There is everything wrong with the triple lock. It means pensions will always rise by at least the growth on GDP, which in turn shifts the national wealth further from young to old.
By all means have growth in pensions, but do it so that wealth isn't transferred between generations.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
TISS
Those who own their own homes tend to leave them for the next generation.
We have a situation today where mote people than ever own their own home. The main issue seems to be the large price differential between 2 and 3 and 3 and 4 bedroom homes. This has caused stagnation in the housing Market
Home ownership has fallen in England to its lowest level in over 30 years. Presumably there's been a similar decline nationwide.
Home ownership in England falls to 30-year low - https://www.ft.com/content/90fb85a8-...e-a5e3738f9ae4
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
TISS
There is everything wrong with the triple lock. It means pensions will always rise by at least the growth on GDP, which in turn shifts the national wealth further from young to old.
By all means have growth in pensions, but do it so that wealth isn't transferred between generations.
Yeah its wrong at the expense of cuts to other payments but its a sound idea. In and off itself. I would suggest its all about priorities. Playing one against another is wrong but protecting old peoples incomes...result why not.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
joecity
Yeah its wrong at the expense of cuts to other payments but its a sound idea. In and off itself. I would suggest its all about priorities. Playing one against another is wrong but protecting old peoples incomes...result why not.
Because it's not sustainable in the long run. You can't have pensions growing at a rate greater than the rate of GDP growth indefinitely.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
TISS
Because it's not sustainable in the long run. You can't have pensions growing at a rate greater than the rate of GDP growth indefinitely.
Fair enough. I can see what you are saying. Personally I got no problem with old folks getting a few extra quid compared to some of the ways our economy stacks up. As you can read I am no expert. It will take a brave government to try and wrestle a consession from the older demographic. Maybe one that doesn't rely heavily on them for their core votes and has got a forward looking manifesto might manage it.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
TISS
Isn't homelessness a serious political issue. There has always been homelessness, even in far left economies such as the USSR.
As long as man has lived in cities (starting with the sumerians) we have always had homelessness. It is a surprise that in a modern advanced economy that it exists but this isn't a new phenomenon and isn't unique to capitalist economies as some would have you believe.
All true.
Irrespective of Party Politics it really is more than a 'surprise' that it still exists on the scale that it does. It is a disgrace.
Are we really becoming more civilised? or reverting to a more polarised, selfish society?
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
Nick
I’ll leave it there. You are quite obviously off on one.
You have added so much to the discussion, you must need a rest.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
TISS
Because it's not sustainable in the long run. You can't have pensions growing at a rate greater than the rate of GDP growth indefinitely.
Brave but foolish by May and opportunistic by Labour really but the Tory's have feasted off the old vote for so long that it is hard to blame anyone for an attempt to wrestle it off them.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
Tandy
900,000 Polish people have found residence in the UK most came here with nothing.
Good for them. Just backs up the argument s for more housing though don't it.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
Nick
I have no idea who you previously posted as on here but please give it a rest.
It’s too not to, as well.
Not sure what you're getting at.
Got a reddit account with same username with 2 years worth of posts.
Dont be sad because I've worked you out in a few weeks.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
Tandy
He has all the hallmarks of Vimana.
Sad Troll.
Sad troll? Says the constant negative guy.
I've got 2 years worth of post history on reddit with the same username mate. Hardly the work of a troll.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
Tandy
He has all the hallmarks of Vimana.
Sad Troll.
You got all the hallmarks of a fake pound coin. Give the lad a break.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Blair was a fecking Tory pretending to be in the Labour party
He was for sure a wolf in sheeps clothing sludge mate
and we all thought
"things can only get better" :hehe:
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
TISS
being rich doesn't mean you bang on about wanting more money by doing nothing. The left are always going on about wanting more money and the way they get is is by changing the law, not by working harder, longer or smarter.
its not about being rich, there are plenty of no so rich who vote Tory, just like there are plenty of rich people who vote Labour it is all part of life's rich tapestry
Left and right, these terms are redundant mate
because no one is truly totally left wing or totally right wing
the vast majority of us flip flop slightly to the left and slightly to the right on different issues
and if we are honest and how these issues affect us personally that's where we go
and we all want more money, hence working overtime , taking on new clients , whatever the case may be
even from a concept standpoint as well
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS
He was for sure a wolf in sheeps clothing sludge mate
and we all thought
"things can only get better" :hehe:
Give "the killings of Tony blair" a watch on Netflix. Guy is a ****ing criminal. And definitely a Tory. Murdoch even backed him to become PM such was the media influence on the whole thing...
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Give "the killings of Tony blair" a watch on Netflix. Guy is a ****ing criminal. And definitely a Tory. Murdoch even backed him to become PM such was the media influence on the whole thing...
Cheers Dems I will certainly give that a watch tonight mate :thumbup:
I remember the media influence so well it was the first time I was old enough to vote
so took a keen interest
it felt like every media outlet was pro Blair (maybe its my rose tinted specs) forgive the pun
quite a lot of us were duped there , the folly of youth I reckon
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS
Cheers Dems I will certainly give that a watch tonight mate :thumbup:
I remember the media influence so well it was the first time I was old enough to vote
so took a keen interest
it felt like every media outlet was pro Blair (maybe its my rose tinted specs) forgive the pun
quite a lot of us were duped there , the folly of youth I reckon
It all started so well with Blair but then god told him to invade Iraq
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It all started so well with Blair but then god told him to invade Iraq
Theres a cracking debate on youtube Sludge well worth a watch with
Tony Blair and Christopher Hitchens :thumbup: Hitch wipes the floor with him
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS
Theres a cracking debate on youtube Sludge well worth a watch with
Tony Blair and Christopher Hitchens :thumbup: Hitch wipes the floor with him
Will give it a look , marched against the war in Iraq , complete asshole , and his wife
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
interesting fact on R4's Today programme this am. More council houses were built in the last year of Thatcher's reign than during the whole tenure of the last Labour government.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
TISS
interesting fact on R4's Today programme this am. More council houses were built in the last year of Thatcher's reign than during the whole tenure of the last Labour government.
Governments are never how they like to portray themselves.
The only fact that really matters is that the average house price is something like 10x the average wage. Where I live it is probably closer to 20x. Whatever has happened in the last 35 years, whether by design or accident, has not worked.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
Simple economics Eric (unfortunately) especially over the last 15 years.
We have people with money that want to invest it somewhere in the hope of getting a return (nothing wrong with that)
There are 3 places they put money, stocks and shares, Govt bonds type arrangements - or bricks and mortar).
Stocks and shares hardly been a beacon of virtue with economic environment or exactly trustworthy , some investors lost lots in the crash and had their fingers severely burned. Weve had low interest rates for a very long time now - so no return on investment there either.
The only area wher you can virtually guarantee income - whether thats rental income or income from improving a property and reselling it - is in houses / flats etc.
The end result is that the housing market has seen lots of investment in terms investment companies, pension companies and individuals (including overseas) buying up property to rent or sell. The end result is an increase in prices.
If people cant get a return on the property by selling it - they will rent it - removing the number of houses on the market - which in turn increases the price.
I dont have the answer, as you can probably gather. You cant stop companies from buying land or property.
Whats your solution ?
Make sure we build enough houses, which all governments harp on about but rarely actually do. It will cause some pain but my parents house is 5 times the price they bought it for in 1990 and the average wage has possibly doubled, if that.
It really is simple economics, increase supply.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
Build more houses so that property companies, pension funds, foreign investors and second home investors can buy them. Building more houses per se, wont solve the problem will it.
You need to ensure that the houses being built are affordable to first time genuine buyers - how will you do that ?
How will you get house builders to build these cheap homes for you ? - house builders build houses that make them the most money.
How will you ensure that these amazing new cheap affordable houses built by house builders who have had their profits cut because they arent making as money from each one, how will you ensure that these then arent resold to proprty investors after 6 months ?
It is not simple - otherwise it would have been done.
So you think if we build a shit loads of houses the average house price won't fall? Investors will keep buying them, inflating the price, in order to rent them to nobody?
Simple fact is we don't build the right houses in the right places and we don't actually build enough of anything.
The only barrier to this is whether we have the people to build them and fit them out. My mate can earn a shedload fitting carpets now because every other person is a media grad fighting for the same min wage jobs.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
Remove the green belt. That's the biggest obstacle in the way.
It will never happen of course.
Then there are those empty nesters living in perfectly decent family homes until the snuff it. Far too many homes of this nature stymie the housing market.
We have plenty enough bedrooms in the UK, they are just unoccupied
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
If there is still a good return on buying property / renting property / selling property - then they wil be still be seen as investment opportunities that's how markets work, when they can get better returns elsewhere - the money will flow there instead.
Obviously in your world, you will find someone to build a lovely house that the property developer will then only sell at a price of 2-3 times the average wage - because they are very kind like that.
"Simple fact is we don't build the right houses in the right places and we don't actually build enough of anything."- see above - I agree by the way - BUT ask yourself why that is again, there is a reason and that's because the return is better.
So when houses were valued at a level closer to the average wage that wasn't because the population was lower it was because the property developers were kinder? You mentioned economics but don't seem to want to recognise the basics of supply and demand. Unfortunately where houses need to be built, there often isn't the land - as TISS says, the green belt gets in the way (unfortunately).
We are going to have to do all sorts of wacky shit post brexit (like negotiate trade deals) why don't we learn how to build some houses too.
I get the feeling moving people is easier for the government. Trying desperately to mould the north of England into some kind of rival for London - shifting business/jobs up there could ease the pressure on prices around London. Also as workplaces become less fixed, that may help. If I can work on a laptop anywhere, why pick the home counties?
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
As previously mentioned in this thread - who benefits by not enough properties being built. Here's a recap: winners include homeowners, the value of whose homes have rocketed, then there's the government because flipping overpriced houses is good for the country's annual GDP number, and let's not forget the City of London boys who set policy from behind the curtain, they get lots more interest on the loans they create via their fractional lending scam.
Just follow the money.
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Re: Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled
Must say the cops have sorted the problem with beggars outside Cardiff Central station asking for 50p that they're short of for their rail fare. But they've migrated to St Mary and especially Queen Street. Not surprised to learn from the article only one's genuinely homeless.