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cyril evans awaydays
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Sorry mate, bit busy now, will get back to you later :wink:
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Re: Abuse accustations against Supreme Court nominee Judge Kavanaugh
It looks like Kavanaugh is in? He's even got Democrats supporting him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoxPnBtX4AEqP3s.jpg
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Wales-Bales
Nothing of course to do with the fact that he is standing for re election shortly in an area that voted strongly for Trump in the presidential election!!
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Elwood Blues
Nothing of course to do with the fact that he is standing for re election shortly in an area that voted strongly for Trump in the presidential election!!
Proof that some Democrats do have brains :biggrin:
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Sen. Susan Collins who is a moderate and not a Trump fan has bravely called this one out and
changed the landscape .
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...-trump-n917261
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life on mars
All of the senators will already know that Dr Ford and her lawyer high school friend were asking other witnesses to change their testimony. This information is included in the FBI report that was delivered to congress. They also have all of the communications data. That's why the investigation was over so quickly, and there was no need to speak to all the other witnesses that the democrats were making a noise about.
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I thought Dr Ford made a more sympathetic and convincing witness than Judge Kavanaugh, but haven't got a clue as to whether there was any truth in her allegations or not. My natural anti Trump instincts made me hope they were true, but, like anyone else who wasn't there, I have to rely on guesswork.
Therefore, it's interesting to see that, apart from one Republican and one Democrat who voted the "wrong" way, thereby cancelling each other out, the vote yesterday went along on completely predictable lines with party politics being the deciding factor in 98% of the voters - all seems quite "swampish" to me.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/05/p...ote/index.html
It was the same on here with it being easy to predict who all bar one of the contributors to this thread (TBG) were siding with before reading what they had to say - just seeing their names was enough to know. Before anyone accuses me of arrogantly putting myself above such things, I should say that I'm as guilty of it as anyone, but, unlike the person with has over 10,000 posts against his name and 90 per cent of them, at least, must be about American politics, I like to think I can admit when I'm wrong and do not believe, as is indicated in everything he posts on the subject, that one side is completely in the right and the other completely in the wrong - the world is becoming a f*cked up place and I dread to think where it's going to end unless people, myself included, become better at seeing the other side of an argument.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I thought Dr Ford made a more sympathetic and convincing witness than Judge Kavanaugh
So did I! She had my sympathy too, but now we are seeing the underlying theme is the same as the Trump Russia Collusion narrative. The lawyer representing Ford's high school friend was involved with the Clinton investigation and the Russia collusion investigation, until he abruptly left the DOJ national security division.
Since most of the posts in the Trump thread are about corruption and collusion of one sort of another, it is to be expected that those talking about it will have one kind of view or another. Furthermore, I only took an interest in this topic because I realised that it goes much further than American politics. The networks involved are global, and the same frameworks are being used in many countries. Therefore any wrongdoing uncovered in the American system will have global ramifications. We have already seen other countries pleading with Trump not to release the Carter Page FISA warrant information which implicates the Obama administration.
Personally, I wish it was all over and we could get back to normal. In fact, I originally thought that it would all be over fairly soon, but I didn't realise the full complexity of the issue, or that the system is set up to defend itself over all other interests. The media don't make things any any easier either, as they are usually complicit in any false narratives. The end result is that many people don't have a clue about what is really going on. The Americans are slowly getting there, and that is how an outsider got into the White House, but we still have a lot to learn about the ways of the world.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I thought Dr Ford made a more sympathetic and convincing witness than Judge Kavanaugh, but haven't got a clue as to whether there was any truth in her allegations or not. My natural anti Trump instincts made me hope they were true, but, like anyone else who wasn't there, I have to rely on guesswork.
Therefore, it's interesting to see that, apart from one Republican and one Democrat who voted the "wrong" way, thereby cancelling each other out, the vote yesterday went along on completely predictable lines with party politics being the deciding factor in 98% of the voters - all seems quite "swampish" to me.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/05/p...ote/index.html
It was the same on here with it being easy to predict who all bar one of the contributors to this thread (TBG) were siding with before reading what they had to say - just seeing their names was enough to know. Before anyone accuses me of arrogantly putting myself above such things, I should say that I'm as guilty of it as anyone, but, unlike the person with has over 10,000 posts against his name and 90 per cent of them, at least, must be about American politics, I like to think I can admit when I'm wrong and do not believe, as is indicated in everything he posts on the subject, that one side is completely in the right and the other completely in the wrong - the world is becoming a f*cked up place and I dread to think where it's going to end unless people, myself included, become better at seeing the other side of an argument.
Hasn't it always been this way? One would have to be dependent on the opposing party thinking in a rational and honest way and no-one really trusts each other that much. Being reasonable has taken a kicking in recent years but it's underpinned by a partisan and almost religious fervour that is never far beneath the surface (and is often on the surface).
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Trouble with debate or controversial events like this or Brexit ones argument is likely to be tainted by your political beliefs, anti Trumpys, couldnt wait to jump on the bandwagon.
With Brexit ,no matter how good a deal May gets it will be crap in the eyes of Labour voters ,because of the hatred towards her and her party .
I remember the Salisbury incident, lots of suggestions that the goverment were wrong, loads of point scoring, accusations, now silence from a lot folk .
Politics of envy I guess , it's not a weakness to sometimes see the good in others .
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Brett Kavanaugh nomination: Victory for Trump in Supreme Court vote
The US Senate has voted to confirm President Donald Trump's nominee for the Supreme Court, after weeks of rancorous debate.
The Senate backed Brett Kavanaugh's nomination by 50 votes to 48.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45774174
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life on mars
Trouble with debate or controversial events like this or Brexit ones argument is likely to be tainted by your political beliefs, anti Trumpys, couldnt wait to jump on the bandwagon.
With Brexit ,no matter how good a deal May gets it will be crap in the eyes of Labour voters ,because of the hatred towards her and her party .
I remember the Salisbury incident, lots of suggestions that the goverment were wrong, loads of point scoring, accusations, now silence from a lot folk .
Politics of envy I guess , it's not a weakness to sometimes see the good in others .
If you think the main reason there are people unhappy with what's happening with brexit is "I don't like the Tories" then you live on another planet.
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lardy
If you think the main reason there are people unhappy with what's happening with brexit is "I don't like the Tories" then you live on another planet.
People aren't blind, they can see what is happening in America. The mask is slipping and the globalists days are numbered. We are still controlled by the media, but that is changing. People all over the world are fed up with the deceit, and the judgement day is coming. Once a critical mass is achieved, the force will be unstoppable.
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Draining the swamp Trump Style #5,770,558
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kavanaugh was nominated by a candidate who lost the popular vote by 3 million+ votes.<br><br>The 49 Senators who voted 'No' on Kavanaugh represent 181.8 million Americans.<br><br>The 51 Senators who voted 'Yes' represent 143.2 million.<br><br>Our political system is broken.</p>— Ally Maynard (@missmayn) <a href="https://twitter.com/missmayn/status/1048256301334024193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Wales-Bales
People aren't blind, they can see what is happening in America. The mask is slipping and the globalists days are numbered. We are still controlled by the media, but that is changing. People all over the world are fed up with the deceit, and the judgement day is coming. Once a critical mass is achieved, the force will be unstoppable.
Problem I have with your theory is that mass swathes of the media in this country are controlled by Rupert Murdoch who also controls a lot of media globally. He and his outlets espouse your views and they’re on a world wide scale.
So if indeed there are globalists they’re not restricted to the liberal media as you seem to define them solely being.
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CardiffIrish2
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Problem I have with your theory is that mass swathes of the media in this country are controlled by Rupert Murdoch who also controls a lot of media globally. He and his outlets espouse your views and they’re on a world wide scale.
So if indeed there are globalists they’re not restricted to the liberal media as you seem to define them solely being.
I was talking about all of the news organisations. Social media is emerging as the place where people share ideas.
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CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD HAS NO PLANS TO FURTHER PURSUE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST BRETT KAVANAUGH: ATTORNEY
https://abc7news.com/amp/politics/fo...rther/4427136/
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CardiffIrish2
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Problem I have with your theory is that mass swathes of the media in this country are controlled by Rupert Murdoch who also controls a lot of media globally. He and his outlets espouse your views and they’re on a world wide scale.
So if indeed there are globalists they’re not restricted to the liberal media as you seem to define them solely being.
It's no coincidence that Bart O'Kavanaugh used Fox and WSJ to make his case.
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lardy
It's no coincidence that Bart O'Kavanaugh used Fox and WSJ to make his case.
Well spotted. The New York Times and Washington Post were too busy fabricating stories against Kavanaugh.
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lardy
Draining the swamp Trump Style #5,770,558
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Minority rule in America, in one paragraph <a href="https://t.co/Ytm8gYGhOa">https://t.co/Ytm8gYGhOa</a> <a href="https://t.co/BYrILpOhKp">pic.twitter.com/BYrILpOhKp</a></p>— Dylan Matthews (@dylanmatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1048597203638530048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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lardy
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Minority rule in America, in one paragraph <a href="https://t.co/Ytm8gYGhOa">https://t.co/Ytm8gYGhOa</a> <a href="https://t.co/BYrILpOhKp">pic.twitter.com/BYrILpOhKp</a></p>— Dylan Matthews (@dylanmatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1048597203638530048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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How many illegal aliens voted? How many "dead" people voted? How many people voted twice?
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Wales-Bales
How many illegal aliens voted? How many "dead" people voted? How many people voted twice?
It’s been proved that this didn’t happen but please feel free to cut and paste a link from a right wing website.
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CardiffIrish2
It’s been proved that this didn’t happen but please feel free to cut and paste a link from a right wing website.
Where was it proved?
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Wales-Bales
Typically this would never happen, you cannot take a polygraph test after a funeral, or any other emotional event. No wonder they don't want to realease the test data, video and audio recordings. It's a lot more interesting now that we know that the best friend who was advising Ford is ex-FBI/DOJ. She probably organised all of it, and got some old colleagues to run the the polygraph. The Senate Judiciary Committee really needs to get hold of that polygraph data, as well as the therapists notes. Let's see what else they are hiding.
The biggest problem with this polygraph test is the lady is totally convinced something happened to her, and that is was him , if she has believed that fact over these many years , and kept telling yourself it was true, it would always be a positive in her mind ,whats lacking is hard evidential fact ,and it would fall in court .
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life on mars
The biggest problem with this polygraph test is the lady is totally convinced something happened to her, and that is was him , if she has believed that fact over these many years , and kept telling yourself it was true, it would always be a positive in her mind ,whats lacking is hard evidential fact ,and it would fall in court .
I'm leaning towards there being some jiggery-pokery involved in the actual polygraph test. The Ford team are hiding the test results for a reason.
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lardy
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Minority rule in America, in one paragraph <a href="https://t.co/Ytm8gYGhOa">https://t.co/Ytm8gYGhOa</a> <a href="https://t.co/BYrILpOhKp">pic.twitter.com/BYrILpOhKp</a></p>— Dylan Matthews (@dylanmatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1048597203638530048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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And just to clear this one up for lardy, the USA isn't a democratic republic, it's a Constitutional Republic. Nice try though!
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It's called the Wrap-Up Smear.. :sherlock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfqGQ9JDeyo
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
So did I! She had my sympathy too, but now we are seeing the underlying theme is the same as the Trump Russia Collusion narrative. The lawyer representing Ford's high school friend was involved with the Clinton investigation and the Russia collusion investigation, until he abruptly left the DOJ national security division.
Since most of the posts in the Trump thread are about corruption and collusion of one sort of another, it is to be expected that those talking about it will have one kind of view or another. Furthermore, I only took an interest in this topic because I realised that it goes much further than American politics. The networks involved are global, and the same frameworks are being used in many countries. Therefore any wrongdoing uncovered in the American system will have global ramifications. We have already seen other countries pleading with Trump not to release the Carter Page FISA warrant information which implicates the Obama administration.
Personally, I wish it was all over and we could get back to normal. In fact, I originally thought that it would all be over fairly soon, but I didn't realise the full complexity of the issue, or that the system is set up to defend itself over all other interests. The media don't make things any any easier either, as they are usually complicit in any false narratives. The end result is that many people don't have a clue about what is really going on. The Americans are slowly getting there, and that is how an outsider got into the White House, but we still have a lot to learn about the ways of the world.
There you go proving my point.
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the other bob wilson
There you go proving my point.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
I can see you are going to keep your blinkers on until the bitter end.
So let's just play the long game ...
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the other bob wilson
There you go proving my point.
BTW if I am proving your point, then you have to disprove mine, so why don't you start throwing some facts back at me and we can compare notes.
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life on mars
The biggest problem with this polygraph test is the lady is totally convinced something happened to her, and that is was him , if she has believed that fact over these many years , and kept telling yourself it was true, it would always be a positive in her mind ,whats lacking is hard evidential fact ,and it would fall in court .
Yes, that's one reason why lie detector tests are a bit useless. However in court, other witnesses would be called to speak under oath. Maybe consider why no other witnesses, particularly mark judge, spoke at the hearing or to the FBI.
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Wales-Bales
BTW if I am proving your point, then you have to disprove mine, so why don't you start throwing some facts back at me and we can compare notes.
As I said in my post from a few days ago, I would like it for the allegations to be the truth, but I honestly don't know if they are, how can any of us who were not there say for certain that they are? One thing I'm certain of though is that if Kavanaugh was facing exactly the same accusations in exactly the same circumstances as a Democrat nominated by a Democratic President, your attitude would be one hundred and eighty degrees different to what it is now - you'd be adamant that the accusations were true.
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lardy
Yes, that's one reason why lie detector tests are a bit useless. However in court, other witnesses would be called to speak under oath. Maybe consider why no other witnesses, particularly mark judge, spoke at the hearing or to the FBI.
It was a hearing, not a court case, . And the FBI interview Judge, the conducted 12 interviews after the hearing. Now why won't the Ford team release the polygraph data?
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the other bob wilson
As I said in my post from a few days ago, I would like it for the allegations to be the truth, but I honestly don't know if they are, how can any of us who were not there say for certain that they are? One thing I'm certain of though is that if Kavanaugh was facing exactly the same accusations in exactly the same circumstances as a Democrat nominated by a Democratic President, your attitude would be one hundred and eighty degrees different to what it is now - you'd be adamant that the accusations were true.
That's not true. Bill Clinton was my favourite US President, and I have criticized the Bushes on many occasions. I recalibrated my opinions when I started hearing about all the Clinton corruption, and things like the Epstein island, etc.. Yep, I had to do a 180° turn, but I don't hate the Democrats since I am a Corbyn supporter, although I am less keen on the Blairites for obvious reasons.
Secondly, I am debating issues I consider to be true. If I didn't think they were true I wouldn't be arguing them. My observations are based on official government documents and statements from high ranking government employees. I get it that you think the points I make are not true and show evidence of bias, because they don't match up with your perceived facts. So ultimately you believe that your sources of information are superior to mine. That's fair enough, and I understand that you probably feel comforted knowing that your knowledge is backed up by such powerhouses of truth such as the Guardian, BBC, Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, etc., but I should remind you that this is the hill that lardy chose to die on regarding his Trump Russia Collusion Delusion theories.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Yes, that's one reason why lie detector tests are a bit useless. However in court, other witnesses would be called to speak under oath. Maybe consider why no other witnesses, particularly mark judge, spoke at the hearing or to the FBI.
It was a hearing, not a court case. And the FBI did interview Judge, they conducted 12 additional interviews after the hearing. Now why won't the Ford team release the polygraph data and the therapists notes?
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Wales-Bales
It was a hearing, not a court case. And the FBI did interview Judge, they conducted 12 additional interviews after the hearing. Now why won't the Ford team release the polygraph data and the therapists notes?
Because the truth would be outed. Its slowly dawning on folk this was a poor democrat attempt to stop the appointment, now that doesn't make Trump a good or righteous person , it does however feeds his drain the swamp theroies.
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Obviously the president has been briefed on all of the facts, but even with my alledged lack of self-awareness and alledged extreme bias, I could see that the whole thing was staged. I admit that I was briefly taken in by the initial performance, but after a careful review of the facts, it became clear very quickly that the accuser Dr Ford had already perjured herself multiple times during her opening statement, and this was a strategic frameup of judge Kavanaugh.
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life on mars
Because the truth would be outed. Its slowly dawning on folk this was a poor democrat attempt to stop the appointment, now that doesn't make Trump a good or righteous person , it does however feed his drain the swamp theories.
Democrat lawyers, a complicit media, I am seeing a pattern emerging here!
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Wales-Bales
Obviously the president has been briefed on all of the facts, but even with my alledged lack of self-awareness and alledged extreme bias, I could see that the whole thing was staged. I admit that I was briefly taken in by the initial performance, but after a careful review of the facts, it became clear very quickly that the accuser Dr Ford had already perjured herself multiple times during her opening statement, and this was a strategic frameup of judge Kavanaugh.
Did you do the briefing yourself?