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Luke Littler for Sports personality of the year?
Legend, but would it happen?
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Rjk
eh?
Could he win it this year?
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Not in an Olympic year, no. There is a junior award so maybe he'll have a chance at that.
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North Cardiff Blue
Could he win it this year?
yeah totally, he's made a reasonable splash in the papers outside of the sports pages, so he could absolutely win it.
a few things count against him though, having his success such a long time before the next spoty, in a minority sport etc, but could still do it no problem.
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Re: Luke Littler for Sports personality of the year?
No chance, 6 of the last 7 have been female / ethnic minority / ginger.
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Be very harsh on Phil Taylor if the kid won it first go
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I see two key issues:
1) Darts isn't really a proper sport.
2) he doesn't have a whole lot of personality on show. That is probably because he is so young and not had any media training yet though.
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Trigger
No chance, 6 of the last 7 have been female / ethnic minority / ginger.
don't be daft
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fugsyphil
Be very harsh on Phil Taylor if the kid won it first go
He's been playing 14.5 years https://www.itv.com/news/granada/202...rst-dart-board
It looks like he was better at hitting triple twenties than speaking at 18 months!
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fugsyphil
Be very harsh on Phil Taylor if the kid won it first go
Don’t mention Phil Taylor and kids…
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ManBearPig
I see two key issues:
1) Darts isn't really a proper sport.
2) he doesn't have a whole lot of personality on show. That is probably because he is so young and not had any media training yet though.
You just have to look at the lad to realise darts isn't a proper sport
He's obese and if you need fitness for a pastime to be classed as a sport .....and clearly you do ......he's not got much
16 year old footballers , rugby players , swimmers don't go around with huge weight problems like that
That doesn't mean he isn't a lad with talent and should do something about his weight but he's not a sportsman
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Re: Luke Littler for Sports personality of the year?
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North Cardiff Blue
Legend, but would it happen?
He's 7/1 favourite at the mo so not great odds. Ronnie O'Sullivan at 40-1 is a decent bet. If he can win another world champs and get shortlisted he'd walk the public vote.
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That Rugby League Player Kevin Sienfield who carried his best friend dying from MND over the finish line , raising huge amounts after all those marathons
That's a sporting personality
An absolute legend
The show itself is a joke
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The Bloop
Not in an Olympic year, no. There is a junior award so maybe he'll have a chance at that.
Junior no personality of the year
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You just have to look at the lad to realise darts isn't a proper sport
He's obese and if you need fitness for a pastime to be classed as a sport .....and clearly you do ......he's not got much
16 year old footballers , rugby players , swimmers don't go around with huge weight problems like that
That doesn't mean he isn't a lad with talent and should do something about his weight but he's not a sportsman
Stop being fatist!
He needs the fuel, he takes the sport seriously and eats a balanced diet for maximum performance, cheese and ham omelet for breakfast, ham and cheese pizza for lunch, and kebabs for dinner all washed down with cans of tizer !!!
There's only one Luke Littler .................................................. .........................
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PhyllisStant
He's 7/1 favourite at the mo so not great odds. Ronnie O'Sullivan at 40-1 is a decent bet. If he can win another world champs and get shortlisted he'd walk the public vote.
That's mad, if he wins tonight, he probably will win it then!
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North Cardiff Blue
Stop being fatist!
He needs the fuel, he takes the sport seriously and eats a balanced diet for maximum performance, cheese and ham omelet for breakfast, ham and cheese pizza for lunch, and kebabs for dinner all washed down with cans of tizer !!!
There's only one Luke Littler .................................................. .........................
I hope he wins
Anyone who can demolish a doner on a regular basis is a living legend
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North Cardiff Blue
That's mad, if he wins tonight, he probably will win it then!
He's more famous than the last two winners already!
yes and no
Certainly he's made a big splash, and is is going ot be known to people who don't watch a lot of sport from the newspaper interest etc, but the biggest darts games these days get tv viewing figures of around 1 million I think whereas the England women's team were what 15-20 million?
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If he’s 16, I’m Father Christmas ::xmashehe:
Looks like I better get the reindeer out
https://apple.news/AS7BOqL6MRJ-cNBBuZFyj0w
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Rjk
yes and no
Certainly he's made a big splash, and is is going ot be known to people who don't watch a lot of sport from the newspaper interest etc, but the biggest darts games these days get tv viewing figures of around 1 million I think whereas the England women's team were what 15-20 million?
Yes, a million for the world final is as good as it gets. Strange, in a way, that the BDO world finals regularly got 3-4 for the final, despite being much poorer events, simply by being free to view
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BLUETIT
He's def, 16. And he's got a 22yr old girlfriend.............!!!!!
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Eric the Half a Bee
Yes, a million for the world final is as good as it gets. Strange, in a way, that the BDO world finals regularly got 3-4 for the final, despite being much poorer events, simply by being free to view
It was over 2.3m last night for the semi.
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J R Hartley
It was over 2.3m last night for the semi.
Thanks for that. It seems that audience figures for the PDC world champs have increased quite a bit in recent years. I wasn't aware of that.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Thanks for that. It seems that audience figures for the PDC world champs have increased quite a bit in recent years. I wasn't aware of that.
There should be even more tonight with all this build-up, I can see sponsorship deals with Tizer, Dominoes, and German Doner Kebabs no matter what the result is!
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North Cardiff Blue
There should be even more tonight with all this build-up, I can see sponsorship deals with Tizer, Dominoes, and German Doner Kebabs no matter what the result is!
The ribena and Haribo stall has been selling well.
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Eric the Half a Bee
The ribena and Haribo stall has been selling well.
The Gillette & Wilkinsons Sword stall hasn’t.
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Re: Luke Littler for Sports personality of the year?
Littler for the Premier League, regardless of whether he wins or not tonight?
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ManBearPig
I see two key issues:
1) Darts isn't really a proper sport.
2) he doesn't have a whole lot of personality on show. That is probably because he is so young and not had any media training yet though.
What is your definition of sport?
Most, but not all sports, rely upon the ability to be 'fit' in terms of strength, stamina etc ... archery, some forms of fishing, curling, bowls, snooker, billiards, chess, recreational golf etc
Darts requires hand-eye co-ordination, mental strength, the ability for the brain to do swift mathematical calculations and at the highest level to perform under intense pressure of a noisy crowd.
I don't think 'personality' has to be part of an argument whether Darts is a sport.
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Forest Green Bluebird
What is your definition of sport?
Most, but not all sports, rely upon the ability to be 'fit' in terms of strength, stamina etc ... archery, some forms of fishing, curling, bowls, snooker, billiards, chess, recreational golf etc
Darts requires hand-eye co-ordination, mental strength, the ability for the brain to do swift mathematical calculations and at the highest level to perform under intense pressure of a noisy crowd.
I don't think 'personality' has to be part of an argument whether Darts is a sport.
Come on ff sake
Of those you have listed darts , snooker and fishing are clearly not in need of any real sort of stamina and strength
Curling , bowls , golf all require an element of fitness , golf particularly so .....professional golfers are on the whole athletic athletes.....just by looking at most of these guys you can tell they are in good physical shape ?
Darts and snooker are former pub sports and in the seventies and eighties some players in both sports would walk up to the snooker table or darts board smoking and drinking
Of course there are exceptions but so many snooker and darts players of old were overweight and unhealthy , smoking and drinking
Jocky Wilson , Leighton Rees , Bill Werbineck , Alex Higgins ......all in poor condition and smoking and drinking not in their private time ......but whilst they were performing
That to me suggests if darts and snooker are sports then physical condition isn't in any way necessary
It's a shame that young lad didn't win but at 16 to be carrying that weight and be in that sort of physical condition ......and be in a world final of a sport ?
I think it's fair enough to question the definition of darts as a sport in this instance
The joy it gives to people who watch and the tension and entertainment in the crowd etc is not in question
Same with snooker, it doesn't interest me , I would rather go fishing which again in general doesn't depend on stamina , strength , aerobic capacity etc
You can catch loads of fish and win biggest fish competitions and still spend 4 nights a week down the pub
It can be skilful but it's not a sport wether you enjoy it or not
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Come on ff sake
Of those you have listed darts , snooker and fishing are clearly not in need of any real sort of stamina and strength
Curling , bowls , golf all require an element of fitness , golf particularly so .....professional golfers are on the whole athletic athletes.....just by looking at most of these guys you can tell they are in good physical shape ?
Darts and snooker are former pub sports and in the seventies and eighties some players in both sports would walk up to the snooker table or darts board smoking and drinking
Of course there are exceptions but so many snooker and darts players of old were overweight and unhealthy , smoking and drinking
Jocky Wilson , Leighton Rees , Bill Werbineck , Alex Higgins ......all in poor condition and smoking and drinking not in their private time ......but whilst they were performing
That to me suggests if darts and snooker are sports then physical condition isn't in any way necessary
It's a shame that young lad didn't win but at 16 to be carrying that weight and be in that sort of physical condition ......and be in a world final of a sport ?
I think it's fair enough to question the definition of darts as a sport in this instance
The joy it gives to people who watch and the tension and entertainment in the crowd etc is not in question
Same with snooker, it doesn't interest me , I would rather go fishing which again in general doesn't depend on stamina , strength , aerobic capacity etc
You can catch loads of fish and win biggest fish competitions and still spend 4 nights a week down the pub
It can be skilful but it's not a sport wether you enjoy it or not
Apologies ... my initial response was not implying that archery, some forms of fishing, curling, bowls, snooker, billiards, chess, recreational golf rely upon the ability to be 'fit' in terms of strength, stamina etc
I agree that back in the day smoking and drinking were common among darts & snooker and to a lesser degree golf players.
The lad who won the darts tonight appeared to be someone in finer 'shape' than his opponent. Note that beer has been substituted with copious amounts of bottled water and smoking is not allowed - unless they go outside for a fag during the breaks.
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Forest Green Bluebird
Apologies ... my initial response was not implying that archery, some forms of fishing, curling, bowls, snooker, billiards, chess, recreational golf rely upon the ability to be 'fit' in terms of strength, stamina etc
I agree that back in the day smoking and drinking were common among darts & snooker and to a lesser degree golf players.
The lad who won the darts tonight appeared to be someone in finer 'shape' than his opponent. Note that beer has been substituted with copious amounts of bottled water and smoking is not allowed - unless they go outside for a fag during the breaks.
No need for any apology I mostly agree
And of course wether it's the rules or sponsorship or the law ...eg no smoking ....the average darts player is in better physical shape than they were 20 years ago
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Come on ff sake
Of those you have listed darts , snooker and fishing are clearly not in need of any real sort of stamina and strength
Curling , bowls , golf all require an element of fitness , golf particularly so .....professional golfers are on the whole athletic athletes.....just by looking at most of these guys you can tell they are in good physical shape ?
Darts and snooker are former pub sports and in the seventies and eighties some players in both sports would walk up to the snooker table or darts board smoking and drinking
Of course there are exceptions but so many snooker and darts players of old were overweight and unhealthy , smoking and drinking
Jocky Wilson , Leighton Rees , Bill Werbineck , Alex Higgins ......all in poor condition and smoking and drinking not in their private time ......but whilst they were performing
That to me suggests if darts and snooker are sports then physical condition isn't in any way necessary
It's a shame that young lad didn't win but at 16 to be carrying that weight and be in that sort of physical condition ......and be in a world final of a sport ?
I think it's fair enough to question the definition of darts as a sport in this instance
The joy it gives to people who watch and the tension and entertainment in the crowd etc is not in question
Same with snooker, it doesn't interest me , I would rather go fishing which again in general doesn't depend on stamina , strength , aerobic capacity etc
You can catch loads of fish and win biggest fish competitions and still spend 4 nights a week down the pub
It can be skilful but it's not a sport wether you enjoy it or not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darts
You don't define what is a sport or not.
It's a target SPORT -
Target sports
Sports where the main objective is to hit a certain target.
Archery
Axe throwing
Bocce
Bocce volo
Boccia
Bolas criollas
Boules
Bowling
Candlepin bowling
Duckpin bowling
Five-pin bowling
Nine-pin bowling
Ten-pin bowling
Trick bowling
Turkey bowling
Bowls a.k.a. lawn bowls
Calva
Cornhole
Croquet
Curling
Darts
Horseshoes (horseshoe throwing)
Jeu provençal (boule lyonnaise)
Jukskei
KanJam
Knife throwing
Kubb
Lawn darts
Matball
Mölkky
Pall mall
Pétanque
Pitch and putt
Ring-goal
Shooting
Shuffleboard
Skittles
Skee ball
Tejo
Trugo
Varpa
Woodball
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darts
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North Cardiff Blue
What about toy throwing from pram?
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Eric the Half a Bee
What about toy throwing from pram?
ccmb must have a few contenders for that world title over the years
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Funny init, I know Luke Littler was runner up, but the fella that won it was Luke who ???????
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Forest Green Bluebird
What is your definition of sport?
Most, but not all sports, rely upon the ability to be 'fit' in terms of strength, stamina etc ... archery, some forms of fishing, curling, bowls, snooker, billiards, chess, recreational golf etc
Darts requires hand-eye co-ordination, mental strength, the ability for the brain to do swift mathematical calculations and at the highest level to perform under intense pressure of a noisy crowd.
I don't think 'personality' has to be part of an argument whether Darts is a sport.
It doesnt, but the questionable nature on if darts is a sport coupled with the fact that the kid hasnt shown much personality yet would imho suggests that LL wouldnt win sports personality of the year which was the question posed.
It's all subjective right? Out of interest does poker count as a sport for you? that also requires, mental strength, the brain to do swift mathematical calculations and sometimes under the pressure of a crowd.
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Eric the Half a Bee
What about toy throwing from pram?
A lot more difficult strength wise than darts
You don't see many fat babies
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ManBearPig
It doesnt, but the questionable nature on if darts is a sport coupled with the fact that the kid hasnt shown much personality yet would imho suggests that LL wouldnt win sports personality of the year which was the question posed.
It's all subjective right? Out of interest does poker count as a sport for you? that also requires, mental strength, the brain to do swift mathematical calculations and sometimes under the pressure of a crowd.
Yes , poker is clearly a sport in the potty world on here
They are fine tuned athletes
On a diet of vodka and fags