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Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut
says captain Joe Ralls
you can't argue much with that . A chance of a top 10 finish most would have bitten there hand off the start of the season after the disaster of last season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/cardiff-city
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Re: Massive Progress at the Club Under Bulut
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
If being less creative and worse defensively than a side that nearly went down last season is progress, then hell yes, we've had progress.
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Eric the Half a Bee
If being less creative and worse defensively than a side that nearly went down last season is progress, then hell yes, we've had progress.
are those statements correct? I thought we had scored more?
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"The only thing that's been lacking this season has been the consistency..."
Sure Joe, that's the only thing that has been lacking.
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Eric the Half a Bee
If being less creative and worse defensively than a side that nearly went down last season is progress, then hell yes, we've had progress.
More points
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Eric the Half a Bee
If being less creative and worse defensively than a side that nearly went down last season is progress, then hell yes, we've had progress.
Not for the first 13 games with Rambo, Ugbo, and O'Dowda we weren't, and we desperately need a Striker.
Did you prefer the excitement of a relegation battle saved only by points deductions and Kaba's goals.
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He doesn't say "at the club" like your title states though.
He is talking about on the pitch.
Your post insinuates things at the club are better..like an overall view...some of us would argue this is not the case
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Rjk
are those statements correct? I thought we had scored more?
Post mentions creativity, we've scored more because of set piece goals, with nobody classes as creative.
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
All irrelevant as the other board says there is a big news on the way about the summer that will be good news for "us and the club" not sure if they meant the fans in general or just a select few 🤔
Don't hold your breath tho or you may become a smurf but bring on the brave new world 🙄😂
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Not for the first 13 games with Rambo, Ugbo, and O'Dowda we weren't, and we desperately need a Striker.
Did you prefer the excitement of a relegation battle saved only by points deductions and Kaba's goals.
Rambo was injured after 6 league games (don't remember him featuring in the cup games). O'Dowda only lasted 4 before injury.
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We have made progress and some players like Ralls , NG , Collins , Goutas , Grant , Siopis ,Alnwick,Bowler many of whom are laons or free's , so for me yes progress has been made
Rambo, O'Dowda badly missed .
Don't see Colwill delivering much via 36 games this season .26 last season , you can't say he hasn't played under the current Mgr
Biggest feck up we have needed a centre forward since Moore stopped playing for us .
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If being less creative and worse defensively than a side that nearly went down last season is progress, then hell yes, we've had progress.
You have posted some pretty silly things on here over the years but this one takes the biscuit. This season in the league we have got more points, scored more goals, let fewer goals in, have a win percentage of over 42% (as opposed to 28%) and will finish at least ten places higher than we did last season. If you don’t think that is progress then really there is no hope for you. You have become so entrenched in your sea of negativity that you appear to have lost touch with reality.
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I've not heard of any protests!! oh progress. I digress
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ToTaL ITK
I've not heard of any protests!! oh progress. I digress
Have you eaten a bag of magic mushrooms today ?
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Rambo was injured after 6 league games (don't remember him featuring in the cup games). O'Dowda only lasted 4 before the injury.
Yes, they were influential during that time and for a short period following injury and improved confidence as performances and goals scored proved.
If they get fully fit I would expect results and performances to improve.
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
All irrelevant as the other board says there is a big news on the way about the summer that will be good news for "us and the club" not sure if they meant the fans in general or just a select few 🤔
Don't hold your breath tho or you may become a smurf but bring on the brave new world 🙄😂
Well, they've proved time and time again that they're ITK.
What could it be?
Some new CDs for the PA system?
A new toilet paper supplier?
Visit Malaysia to be replaced by Go To Malaysia?
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Rjk
are those statements correct? I thought we had scored more?
I'm not counting set pieces. As a creative attacking unit from open play we are worse than we have been for many a year.
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Undercoverinwurzelland
Well, they've proved time and time again that they're ITK.
What could it be?
Some new CDs for the PA system?
A new toilet paper supplier?
Visit Malaysia to be replaced by Go To Malaysia?
I was thinking more of a takeover with all corner flags being embroidered with the initials SH and free ice creams for all or sheep's bollocks for dissenters
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Eric the Half a Bee
I'm not counting set pieces. As a creative attacking unit from open play we are worse than we have been for many a year.
More goals and more points, it’s a good start.
If scoring this amount from set pieces was so easy everyone would be doing it as regularly as us, indeed we would have last season.
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
More goals and more points, it’s a good start.
If scoring this amount from set pieces was so easy everyone would be doing it as regularly as us, indeed we would have last season.
A while ago we'd almost scored double the amount of goals from set pieces as any other side in the Championship. That gap has narrowed.
In 2020/21 we scored 27 from open play.
In 2021/22 we scored 29 from open play.
In 2022/23 we scored 28 from open play.
This season we've scored 19. Only 4 teams across the 4 divisions have scored less from open play on average per game than us. That's embarrassing. That shows how utterly clueless we are when we attack. When goals from set pieces dry up, we lose games.
We might have to agree to disagree here, but if our main aim is hoping to score from set pieces because we're rubbish as an attacking force, I couldn't care less how many games we've managed to pinch, it's a fact that, without set pieces, we'd be in the bottom 3. That's how crap our football has been this season.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
A while ago we'd almost scored double the amount of goals from set pieces as any other side in the Championship. That gap has narrowed.
In 2020/21 we scored 27 from open play.
In 2021/22 we scored 29 from open play.
In 2022/23 we scored 28 from open play.
This season we've scored 19. Only 4 teams across the 4 divisions have scored less from open play on average per game than us. That's embarrassing. That shows how utterly clueless we are when we attack. When goals from set pieces dry up, we lose games.
We might have to agree to disagree here, but if our main aim is hoping to score from set pieces because we're rubbish as an attacking force, I couldn't care less how many games we've managed to pinch, it's a fact that, without set pieces, we'd be in the bottom 3. That's how crap our football has been this season.
Bring back Dave Jones.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
A while ago we'd almost scored double the amount of goals from set pieces as any other side in the Championship. That gap has narrowed.
In 2020/21 we scored 27 from open play.
In 2021/22 we scored 29 from open play.
In 2022/23 we scored 28 from open play.
This season we've scored 19. Only 4 teams across the 4 divisions have scored less from open play on average per game than us. That's embarrassing. That shows how utterly clueless we are when we attack. When goals from set pieces dry up, we lose games.
We might have to agree to disagree here, but if our main aim is hoping to score from set pieces because we're rubbish as an attacking force, I couldn't care less how many games we've managed to pinch, it's a fact that, without set pieces, we'd be in the bottom 3. That's how crap our football has been this season.
Football has been crap, far to negative and generally just poor but I don’t agree set pieces should just be written off though, it’s all part of the game. If you cant score in open player then you do what you can to win.
Wonder if teams struggling below us are having this debate of theu could be 11th if they scored more from set pieces lol.
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dml1954
You have posted some pretty silly things on here over the years but this one takes the biscuit. This season in the league we have got more points, scored more goals, let fewer goals in, have a win percentage of over 42% (as opposed to 28%) and will finish at least ten places higher than we did last season. If you don’t think that is progress then really there is no hope for you. You have become so entrenched in your sea of negativity that you appear to have lost touch with reality.
We conceded fifty eight goals last season in the league and we’ve let in fifty four this time with six games to play - we’re on track to concede between three and five more goals than in 22/23.
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the other bob wilson
We conceded fifty eight goals last season in the league and we’ve let in fifty four this time with six games to play - we’re on track to concede between three and five more goals than in 22/23.
Exciting in it :hehe:
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the other bob wilson
We conceded fifty eight goals last season in the league and we’ve let in fifty four this time with six games to play - we’re on track to concede between three and five more goals than in 22/23.
Hudson all season and we'd have conceded less again and gone down, it's about balance.
I would guess we conceded a lot of those goals in the first thirteen games when were were more entertaining.
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North Cardiff Blue
Hudson all season and we'd have conceded less again and gone down, it's about balance.
I would guess we conceded a lot of those goals in the first thirteen games when were were more entertaining.
None of which alters the fact that what dml said is very likely to be wrong.
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Here’s a question for you. How do we get the set pieces (corners/free kicks) that we score these goals from?
My, no evidence, belief is that they come from us moving the ball forward in an often well worked way but then our end product (from not very good forward play) are tame shots that are deflected by defenders for corners. We’d all like to see more of those shots hit the back of the net directly BUT the fact that we have someone who delivers a good corner more often than not I.e. Joe Ralls, means that we score from a good percentage and are therefore not suffering from relegation anxiety this year. This analysis is another way of saying the team as a whole is pretty good but we’re lacking the attackers who’ve got the killer instinct. We are holding on to the ball better than last season. The glaringly obvious occasion when we didn’t was Swansea where we reverted to hit and hope and looked like we were crapping ourselves every time the ball came near us.
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PaulWent76
Here’s a question for you. How do we get the set pieces (corners/free kicks) that we score these goals from?
My, no evidence, belief is that they come from us moving the ball forward in an often well worked way but then our end product (from not very good forward play) are tame shots that are deflected by defenders for corners. We’d all like to see more of those shots hit the back of the net directly BUT the fact that we have someone who delivers a good corner more often than not I.e. Joe Ralls, means that we score from a good percentage and are therefore not suffering from relegation anxiety this year. This analysis is another way of saying the team as a whole is pretty good but we’re lacking the attackers who’ve got the killer instinct. We are holding on to the ball better than last season. The glaringly obvious occasion when we didn’t was Swansea where we reverted to hit and hope and looked like we were crapping ourselves every time the ball came near us.
People expect too much from ralls , Wintle and siopis
They are ball winners and spoilers
Ralls and to a lesser extent Wintle can deliver a free kick or corner well
Our problem is the complete lack of a goalscorer up front , as you suggest ........and a creative forward moving midfielder
Ramsey or Colwill , if they are fit , for example
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Eric the Half a Bee
If being less creative and worse defensively than a side that nearly went down last season is progress, then hell yes, we've had progress.
All this positivity is not like you Eric !
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SLUDGE FACTORY
All this positivity is not like you Eric !
I think the points are the key.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
A while ago we'd almost scored double the amount of goals from set pieces as any other side in the Championship. That gap has narrowed.
In 2020/21 we scored 27 from open play.
In 2021/22 we scored 29 from open play.
In 2022/23 we scored 28 from open play.
This season we've scored 19. Only 4 teams across the 4 divisions have scored less from open play on average per game than us. That's embarrassing. That shows how utterly clueless we are when we attack. When goals from set pieces dry up, we lose games.
We might have to agree to disagree here, but if our main aim is hoping to score from set pieces because we're rubbish as an attacking force, I couldn't care less how many games we've managed to pinch, it's a fact that, without set pieces, we'd be in the bottom 3. That's how crap our football has been this season.
no offence, as i enjoy some of the historical stuff you post but all that means nothing to prove your opinion, which you and the others are perfectly entitled too. Producing historical facts like that has zero usefulness in the here and now. The football is shit, however, The table is universally accepted in this sport across the world on how teams are judged on performance* (*not entertainment!).
In everything you post, it lacks many fundamentals for data comparison, its purely superficial historical data points. My opinion is you post these mainly as a subversive context but it fails to address many, if not all of the principles around data analysis.... Accuracy and precision, closeness, tolerance, tightly clusted, mean, bias, ISO standard, confirmation bias, outliers, funding..... Whilst you are right to use your data to get the the route of the problem, you have to always challenge the data, ask WHY? ...... your data is accurate, i trust that, but jesus h christ son give it a rest to validate your opinion. The league table is the measurement of performance.
Yes the football is shit, has been for years, Paul Parry scoring a winner in open play is meaningless.
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Originally Posted by
OurManFlint II
no offence, as i enjoy some of the historical stuff you post but all that means nothing to prove your opinion, which you and the others are perfectly entitled too. Producing historical facts like that has zero usefulness in the here and now. The football is shit, however, The table is universally accepted in this sport across the world on how teams are judged on performance* (*not entertainment!).
In everything you post, it lacks many fundamentals for data comparison, its purely superficial historical data points. My opinion is you post these mainly as a subversive context but it fails to address many, if not all of the principles around data analysis.... Accuracy and precision, closeness, tolerance, tightly clusted, mean, bias, ISO standard, confirmation bias, outliers, funding..... Whilst you are right to use your data to get the the route of the problem, you have to always challenge the data, ask WHY? ...... your data is accurate, i trust that, but jesus h christ son give it a rest to validate your opinion. The league table is the measurement of performance.
Yes the football is shit, has been for years, Paul Parry scoring a winner in open play is meaningless.
Ere SON wind yer neck in. We like Eric and his stats round these parts.
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Originally Posted by
PaulWent76
Here’s a question for you. How do we get the set pieces (corners/free kicks) that we score these goals from?
My, no evidence, belief is that they come from us moving the ball forward in an often well worked way but then our end product (from not very good forward play) are tame shots that are deflected by defenders for corners. We’d all like to see more of those shots hit the back of the net directly BUT the fact that we have someone who delivers a good corner more often than not I.e. Joe Ralls, means that we score from a good percentage and are therefore not suffering from relegation anxiety this year. This analysis is another way of saying the team as a whole is pretty good but we’re lacking the attackers who’ve got the killer instinct. We are holding on to the ball better than last season. The glaringly obvious occasion when we didn’t was Swansea where we reverted to hit and hope and looked like we were crapping ourselves every time the ball came near us.
Couldnt agree more.
But lets try and be a little more negative , fit in with the gloom and doom merchants of which there are many :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
PaulWent76
Here’s a question for you. How do we get the set pieces (corners/free kicks) that we score these goals from?
My, no evidence, belief is that they come from us moving the ball forward in an often well worked way but then our end product (from not very good forward play) are tame shots that are deflected by defenders for corners. We’d all like to see more of those shots hit the back of the net directly BUT the fact that we have someone who delivers a good corner more often than not I.e. Joe Ralls, means that we score from a good percentage and are therefore not suffering from relegation anxiety this year. This analysis is another way of saying the team as a whole is pretty good but we’re lacking the attackers who’ve got the killer instinct. We are holding on to the ball better than last season. The glaringly obvious occasion when we didn’t was Swansea where we reverted to hit and hope and looked like we were crapping ourselves every time the ball came near us.
goal scoring off corners is around 4 to 8 percent, depends how you measure, 2nd phase etc... So conceding from corners is an issue, scoring is a bonus giving those statistics, even if you go top end. All top teams, the best of the best, have teams of set piece coaches, data "scientists" and google/oracle etc AI'ing the ****ing shit out of each and every one, simulations running in the millions, factoring in humidity, wind, temperature, fatigue (all whilst the game is going on) for the slightest advantage on these situations. Yet for the footballing gods of cardiff city, set plays and scoring from them are a dirty word and are a derogatory damnation. To be honest i think this topics to a few is ore dirty then playing in red for 2 seasons!
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I couldn’t care less how we score but neither can I be ‘happy’ with the bare league table after what I have personally witnessed game after game after game this season.
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OurManFlint II
goal scoring off corners is around 4 to 8 percent, depends how you measure, 2nd phase etc... So conceding from corners is an issue, scoring is a bonus giving those statistics, even if you go top end. All top teams, the best of the best, have teams of set piece coaches, data "scientists" and google/oracle etc AI'ing the ****ing shit out of each and every one, simulations running in the millions, factoring in humidity, wind, temperature, fatigue (all whilst the game is going on) for the slightest advantage on these situations. Yet for the footballing gods of cardiff city, set plays and scoring from them are a dirty word and are a derogatory damnation. To be honest i think this topics to a few is ore dirty then playing in red for 2 seasons!
Just to confirm, it's not the scoring from set pieces that I have issues with. It's the reliance on them as our creativity from open play is very poor and I have a suspicion that we play to win corners, which is a bit shit.
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I wouldn't say it was massive progress, it's a bit better points wise but the football is absolute dross.
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Being safe in March after a relegation battle last year and only surviving after another team had a points deduction can be seen as nothing other than progress. Regardless of the quality of football. It's not like we were easy on the eye last season. Or the season before.
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NYCBlue
Being safe in March after a relegation battle last year and only surviving after another team had a points deduction can be seen as nothing other than progress. Regardless of the quality of football. It's not like we were easy on the eye last season. Or the season before.
So you agree the football quality hasn't improved.
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
Being safe in March after a relegation battle last year and only surviving after another team had a points deduction can be seen as nothing other than progress. Regardless of the quality of football. It's not like we were easy on the eye last season. Or the season before.
So you agree the football quality hasn't improved.