Asylum seekers Universal Basic Income scheme £1,600 ( give it to the nurses I hear you cry )

Not sure how true this is its from the awful Express ,wouldn't be shocked though in the world of gesture

""Ministers block Labour giving cash to asylum seekers enrolled on £1.6k handout scheme
Story by Christian Calgie - Senior Political Correspondent • Yesterday 22:28

Asylum seekers enrolled on the Welsh Government's left-wing Universal Basic Income scheme, in which they get £1,600 every month, cannot claim legal aid, ministers have told Senedd ministers. A letter sent tonight from Ministry of Justice minister Lord Bellamy confirmed the decision by the UK government.""


The letter from Lord Bellamy to Welsh Minister Jane Hutt, seen by the Express, confirms asylum seekers being handed thousands of pounds every month in taxpayer cash can't then claim legal aid.

Lord Bellamy says as the Universal Basic Income scheme gives recipients an income for "purpose of living costs rather than a specified one", those on the cash trial will be expected to use the money for legal services.

The UK Government says this decision is in line with rules for all British taxpayers, so limited legal aid resources are "directed at those most in need of financial support."

A row sparked yesterday when it emerged the Welsh government will allow young asylum seekers to enrol onto the taxpayer-funded scheme which entitles Welsh care leavers to receive £1,600 per month, pre-tax, for 24 months from the month after their 18th birthday

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Not sure how true this is its from the awful Express ,wouldn't be shocked though in the world of gesture

""Ministers block Labour giving cash to asylum seekers enrolled on £1.6k handout scheme
Story by Christian Calgie - Senior Political Correspondent • Yesterday 22:28

Asylum seekers enrolled on the Welsh Government's left-wing Universal Basic Income scheme, in which they get £1,600 every month, cannot claim legal aid, ministers have told Senedd ministers. A letter sent tonight from Ministry of Justice minister Lord Bellamy confirmed the decision by the UK government.""


The letter from Lord Bellamy to Welsh Minister Jane Hutt, seen by the Express, confirms asylum seekers being handed thousands of pounds every month in taxpayer cash can't then claim legal aid.

Lord Bellamy says as the Universal Basic Income scheme gives recipients an income for "purpose of living costs rather than a specified one", those on the cash trial will be expected to use the money for legal services.

The UK Government says this decision is in line with rules for all British taxpayers, so limited legal aid resources are "directed at those most in need of financial support."

A row sparked yesterday when it emerged the Welsh government will allow young asylum seekers to enrol onto the taxpayer-funded scheme which entitles Welsh care leavers to receive £1,600 per month, pre-tax, for 24 months from the month after their 18th birthday

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It’s a good idea and they need to be fully supported, especially as most asylum seekers come from areas where we have illegally occupied and contributed to the issue in the first place.

£1600 is bugger all these days. Inflation will rip it to shreds. Let's give Rishi's millions to the nurses I say.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/220723...ers-legal-aid/

One of todays first questions on todays PMQs

...more than double my state pension.....

Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work or have access to other benefits. By far the best thing the goverment could do is clear the backlog of asylum applications so the people who can stay here can start contributing to society and start putting their lives back together

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

...more than double my state pension.....

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And they'll still vote for him, thick as two short planks!

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

£1600 is bugger all these days. Inflation will rip it to shreds. Let's give Rishi's millions to the nurses I say.

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And Sir Keir's self created special pension arrangements

Absolutely ridiculous proposal. £1600 a month plus housing and free healthcare. Why would anyone stay in Albania?

The naiivity of some on the left is astonishing sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

...more than double my state pension.....

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It’s same here. Absolutely disgraceful.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Absolutely ridiculous proposal. £1600 a month plus housing and free healthcare. Why would anyone stay in Albania?

The naiivity of some on the left is astonishing sometimes.

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anyone without a legitimate asylum claim will be sent back

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Originally Posted by life on mars

And Sir Keir's self created special pension arrangements

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Yes indeed

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Absolutely ridiculous proposal. £1600 a month plus housing and free healthcare. Why would anyone stay in Albania?

The naiivity of some on the left is astonishing sometimes.

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From what I can see, it's for children who had been in the system for when they turn 18 and only for the next two years.

They'd also lose out on housing benefits (but would be better off for it).

So I don't think many children will be rushing to Wales to take advantage of it on their 18th birthday.

its a Murdoch newspaper i.e. sensationalist nonsense, take what is written with a pinch of salt.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/220723...ers-legal-aid/

One of todays first questions on todays PMQs

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It’s a load of old bollocks, it’s in the scum and all the other right wing rags.

It’s actually a pilot scheme to do with a universal basic income to help young people in general in wales, nothing to do with asylum seekers.

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Originally Posted by lardy

From what I can see, it's for children who had been in the system for when they turn 18 and only for the next two years.

They'd also lose out on housing benefits (but would be better off for it).

So I don't think many children will be rushing to Wales to take advantage of it on their 18th birthday.

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I think this may be referring to another scheme where young people in care would get universal income for two years once they left it.

Already on the alt forum. Hopefully Mike moves this there soon and the right wing angry brigade can fill their boots there.

There were 75k asylum applications in the UK last year (which is the highest for 20 years) assuming around 5% of those end up in wales that's 3750 people. Of those, this scheme is specifically for people who arrived here as unaccompanied children and have since turned 18, which is probably a tiny number, and if the government were more efficient in processing the applications would be even smaller.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

anyone without a legitimate asylum claim will be sent back

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They aren't though are they. They usually go through numerous rounds of appeals. Then people come back with no ID so we have no real idea who they are anyway or if they were previously refused asylum

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Originally Posted by Rjk

There were 75k asylum applications in the UK last year (which is the highest for 20 years) assuming around 5% of those end up in wales that's 3750 people. Of those, this scheme is specifically for people who arrived here as unaccompanied children and have since turned 18, which is probably a tiny number, and if the government were more efficient in processing the applications would be even smaller.

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How about poor pensioners, do you think that this is a greater need?

I bet the traffickers will love this, shave your beard off, destroy all your documents, say you are ten OK, not 19.

Plus of course, it creates a greater incentive to fly through Greece, all the rest then France as quickly as possible with as many kids as you can bring, drop them off in the dinghy on their own, across a dangerous Sea, because there is bread and honey and lots of money in Wales butt.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

How about poor pensioners, do you think that this is a greater need?

I bet the traffickers will love this, shave your beard off, destroy all your documents, say you are ten OK, not 19.

Plus of course, it creates a greater incentive to fly through Greece, all the rest then France as quickly as possible with as many kids as you can bring, drop them off in the dinghy on their own, across a dangerous Sea, because there is bread and honey and lots of money in Wales butt.

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You think any kid fleeing a war torn country without their parents have got the faintest idea what benefits they may or may not be entitled to in a small region of a country thousands of miles away?

Anyone coming to the UK mostly arrive in SE England and then a few are redistributed to other parts of the UK.

Nobody is deciding to come here on the off chance that they'll get routed to Wales and be able to get this financial support while their asylum claim is being processed.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

You think any kid fleeing a war torn country without their parents have got the faintest idea what benefits they may or may not be entitled to in a small region of a country thousands of miles away?

Anyone coming to the UK mostly arrive in SE England and then a few are redistributed to other parts of the UK.

Nobody is deciding to come here on the off chance that they'll get routed to Wales and be able to get this financial support while their asylum claim is being processed.

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No I agree they will go to the closest Country and be happy to be safe, those are the poor people that need help.

The crooks and conmen will abuse it lying about the age of 20-year-olds and will take advantage of the system.

Also parents in poor countries will see it as a way to enable their kids to get a good start, in Counties with no wars or problems, pay £2k to traffickers and send them to the best opportunity for a good life in the World.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

No I agree they will go to the closet Country and be happy to be safe, those are the poor people that need help

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so how many people do you expect to travel to the UK specifically to try to get to Wales in order to receive this benefit for unaccompanied minors , because I think it will be zero.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

so how many people do you expect to travel to the UK specifically to try to get to Wales in order to receive this benefit for unaccompanied minors , because I think it will be zero.

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Many more than presently, It is a problem already, why incentivise it and make it more of a problem, while depriving people who are in need, already living in Wales.

Anyway no point in arguing about it, he does what he wants regardless, the stupider the idea, the more likely he is to want to do it.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Many more than presently, It is a problem already, why incentivise it and make it more of a problem, while depriving people who are in need, already living in Wales.

Anyway no point in arguing about it, he does what he wants regardless, the stupider the idea, the more likely he is to want to do it.

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how many more? how many unaccompanied kids are currently seeking asylum in wales? This policy will not have any influence on the numbers coming here.

The numbers that this could affect are miniscule, yet some parts of the press are on it as if its a major policy that will benefit everyone who attempts to enter the country by fair means or foul.
It the boats are stopped, as apparently its one of the top 5 issues the electorate are concerned about, then there'll be no need for it anyway.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

How about poor pensioners, do you think that this is a greater need?

I bet the traffickers will love this, shave your beard off, destroy all your documents, say you are ten OK, not 19.

Plus of course, it creates a greater incentive to fly through Greece, all the rest then France as quickly as possible with as many kids as you can bring, drop them off in the dinghy on their own, across a dangerous Sea, because there is bread and honey and lots of money in Wales butt.

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No sympathy for pensioners, they repeatedly vote for right wingers which has lead to the lowest state pension rate in western/Northern Europe.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

how many more? how many unaccompanied kids are currently seeking asylum in wales? This policy will not have any influence on the numbers coming here.

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2 million, 10 million, it depends on how long this door is left open?

If I lived in Albania and most countries I would send my kids, free money and housing is a popular incentive!

But let the old soldiers sleep in a tent in the street.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

No sympathy for pensioners, they repeatedly vote for right wingers which has lead to the lowest state pension rate in western/Northern Europe.

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Not in Wales they don't, they vote for 20 mile an hour speed limits and unlimited money for care home kids and asylum seekers.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

There were 75k asylum applications in the UK last year (which is the highest for 20 years) assuming around 5% of those end up in wales that's 3750 people. Of those, this scheme is specifically for people who arrived here as unaccompanied children and have since turned 18, which is probably a tiny number, and if the government were more efficient in processing the applications would be even smaller.

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The number of unaccompanied children who are in local authority care, asylum seekers in Wales, under 18 and off the most recent figures (2021) I can find is (wait for it)...

60.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

anyone without a legitimate asylum claim will be sent back

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If only too many tax paying free aid lawyers queuing up outside the camps /hotels , gotta keep their rich lawyer in far away leafy homes lifestyles ,well away from the impact of asylum seekers on their communities

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

The numbers that this could affect are miniscule, yet some parts of the press are on it as if its a major policy that will benefit everyone who attempts to enter the country by fair means or foul.
It the boats are stopped, as apparently its one of the top 5 issues the electorate are concerned about, then there'll be no need for it anyway.

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What is not spoken about is the after effects and allowable Family reunion ruling :

"Your partner or child may be able to join or stay with you in the UK if:

you were part of a family before you were forced to leave your country

you have protection status (permission to stay as a refugee or person with humanitarian protection)

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

The number of unaccompanied children who are in local authority care, asylum seekers in Wales, under 18 and off the most recent figures (2021) I can find is (wait for it)...

60.

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60 ffs

The real version of this story is that *all* young people leaving care in Wales receive a basic income of £1,600 a month (approx. £1,250 after tax).

The same applies to refugee children who arrived in Wales unaccompanied by an adult.

But that doesn’t fit cruel Tory narratives.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

60 ffs

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So far, tell the World there is free money and housing, and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise that number will grow!

Cruel? Maybe it's because many people feel that they are walking over dozens of homeless people in Cardiff and have done for years and that there are better uses of the money?

Maybe you are the cruel one for not prioritizing them? I dunno.

I do know that labelling and insulting people is usually a tactic used by people who do not understand or cannot argue against the alternative points being made.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Not in Wales they don't, they vote for 20 mile an hour speed limits and unlimited money for care home kids and asylum seekers.

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Why don't you just move to a country that suits your political opinion? America would be good.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

60 ffs

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According to LoM those 60 could introduce another 60000 to Wales via close and extended family and entourages.

Undoubtedly they'd probably all be terrorists or criminals?

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

According to LoM those 60 could introduce another 60000 to Wales via close and extended family and entourages.

Undoubtedly they'd probably all be terrorists or criminals?

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And the biggest concern probably not eventual Tory voters.

The problem is this. The UK expect 56,000 boat arrivals this year, meaning we would need to house 140,000 asylum seekers. (See article below, published yesterday)

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/bri...ar-2023-04-19/

Population wise, Wales' share of that 140,000 is about 7,000 people. Cardiff's share of that is around 850 people

This city builds about 1000 new dwellings a year. Now obviously you can house people in different ways, in new types of accomodation and not all of the 140,000 etc will stay.

But you can see why people are concerned. And that's before any new infrastructure is built such as schools, dentists, doctors surgeries and the like.

Things are really fkn tough for some people. That's why the asylum system is something people need to have faith in, and it needs to serve the most deserving, not anyone who happens to be able to get here from an already safe country.

This is what's so frustrating. When I look at my mates who are vocal about abusing anyone who questions what is happening they are nearly all comfortably off middle class left-wing types who can afford the luxury of not taking any responsibility for things as long as they appear caring and compassionate.

Compassion is important, but so too is building a decent society for everyone that lives here and the two things aren't always easy to balance. People should think about that before they lazily label people cruel or racist, because it almost certainly is not the case. It's just people are more at the forefront of what's going on and perhaps more impacted by it.