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Has football ever been better?
I see posts regularly about how this and that is broken and how to save the game. But imo the sport is the greatest in the world and at its pinnacle.
Sure we will always have gripes, especially about refs! but I like the the fact that we leave some stuff open to interpretation more than any other sport, it provides great talking points and debates.
We have Messi and Ronaldo fighting for the GOAT.
Premier League cementing itself as the greatest league in the world ( 4 clubs in both euro finals)
Following Cardiff in the last decade has been better than probably any other, multiple promotions and cup finals. I especially enjoyed the DJ years due to the pure lunacy of it all.
Welsh National team reaching semi- finals and so much talented youth coming through atm.
I am as addicted and excited by football right now than I ever have been, I am currently subscribed to about 4 different footy podcasts I listen to regular,and just loving all of it!
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What I will say about refs is watching the champions league and premier league the difference in class is ridiculous the European refs are far better they really need to look at the system here
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Credit where it’s due. English teams are bossing it at the moment.
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William Treseder
Credit where it’s due. English teams are bossing it at the moment.
Pity about English refs.
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I agree they do seem a lot better, have a reputation for being a bit softer, but do get most of the big decisions correct. Although the spurs ref tonight played on through some big challenges which I appreciated.
Is there a reason why we can not poach refs from abroad? I know the EFL recently took a very well respected ref from the Aussie Leagues, but why is it not done more.
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Yes, 2008-2011
Otherwise known as the Enckelman-Johnson-Quincy-Taiwo glory years
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City123
Yes, 2008-2011
Otherwise known as the Enckelman-Johnson-Quincy-Taiwo glory years
I agree, that Taiwo performance against BrIsTOl in the snow is single handedly the most beautiful thing I've witnessed on a football pitch.
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Imo Football is at it's shittest pinnacle ever.
Diving cheating and bent to fack by the billion pound industry it has become.
It's just become like motor racing whoever's got the best car/most money wins.
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chris lee
I see posts regularly about how this and that is broken and how to save the game. But imo the sport is the greatest in the world and at its pinnacle.
Sure we will always have gripes, especially about refs! but I like the the fact that we leave some stuff open to interpretation more than any other sport, it provides great talking points and debates.
We have Messi and Ronaldo fighting for the GOAT.
Premier League cementing itself as the greatest league in the world ( 4 clubs in both euro finals)
Following Cardiff in the last decade has been better than probably any other, multiple promotions and cup finals. I especially enjoyed the DJ years due to the pure lunacy of it all.
Welsh National team reaching semi- finals and so much talented youth coming through atm.
I am as addicted and excited by football right now than I ever have been, I am currently subscribed to about 4 different footy podcasts I listen to regular,and just loving all of it!
I can’t disagree with you, it just keeps delivering.
Worth noting that only 2 English teams are currently in euro finals. After the last two nights you can’t guarantee nothing for tomorrow night.
Agree about Cardiff as well. I tell a lot of my plastic fan mates..it’s been much more exciting following us than them the past 10 years.
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It may be two "English" teams in the final, but in reality its two teams from the richest league in the final. They are hardly littered with English players
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William Treseder
Credit where it’s due. English teams are bossing it at the moment.
With foreign players and managers and coaches, you could say occupied clubs , are bossing it .
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No. Players are now true athletes. 30 years ago they were smoking and drinking. Now they run for miles and don't stop. Also the technical abilty they have is outrageous. Every single player is so confident on the ball. The game has always had drama. But the football we have witnessed in the last 48 hours has been breathtaking.
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life on mars
With foreign players and managers and coaches, you could say occupied clubs , are bossing it .
Our club must be one the biggest “occupied” clubs then. Malaysian owner, English manager. How many Welsh players were in our starting line up against Crystal Palace?
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I don't like some of the money and commercial aspects but the game itself is brilliant
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William Treseder
Credit where it’s due. English teams are bossing it at the moment.
Yes with a Spanish, German and Argentinian Manager.............
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insider
Imo Football is at it's shittest pinnacle ever.
Diving cheating and bent to fack by the billion pound industry it has become.
It's just become like motor racing whoever's got the best car/most money wins.
Just about sums it up I think. The media hype is duping people into thinking its at its best.
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Harry Monk
Just about sums it up I think. The media hype is duping people into thinking its at its best.
This is my view generally, but those two games have caused me a bit of an issue, they were fantastic games !!!
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Football's just one of many circuses that's overhyped by corporate media to dumb us down further and distract us as we become ever poorer while the surveillance matrix grows more invasive and former freedoms and liberties disappear. The lead story on Good Morning Britain - ITV's shite breakfast show - on every news bulletin today and yesterday involved Liverpool and Tottenham's victories to imply they were the most important happenings worldwide, when in reality one group of millionaire bag o' wind hoofers overcame a similar group of entertainers.
Returning to the Scouse b'stards win, I don't recall Sludge being as animated as he was yesterday when I visited his Cowbridge hovel. As I approached the property he was almost hanging out of an upstairs window with a red and white scarf tied 1970s style around one wrist as he screamed banshee-like indecipherable but clearly joyous slogans. I had to endure his celebrations, which involved him trying to tap dance later on, without complaint as I had previously insisted they had no chance of progressing after their 3-0 first leg thumping.
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Organ Morgan.
Football's just one of many circuses that's overhyped by corporate media to dumb us down further and distract us as we become ever poorer while the surveillance matrix grows more invasive and former freedoms and liberties disappear. The lead story on Good Morning Britain - ITV's shite breakfast show - on every news bulletin today and yesterday involved Liverpool and Tottenham's victories to imply they were the most important happenings worldwide, when in reality one group of millionaire bag o' wind hoofers overcame a similar group of entertainers.
Returning to the Scouse b'stards win, I don't recall Sludge being as animated as he was yesterday when I visited his Cowbridge hovel. As I approached the property he was almost hanging out of an upstairs window with a red and white scarf tied 1970s style around one wrist as he screamed banshee-like indecipherable but clearly joyous slogans. I had to endure his celebrations, which involved him trying to tap dance later on, without complaint as I had previously insisted they had no chance of progressing after their 3-0 first leg thumping.
Genuine question re your first paragraph, do you take pleasure in anything if indeed you hold football in such contempt?
Second paragraph very funny mind 😂
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A change in attitude that has seen attacking play favoured a bit more by officials has played a part in turning good defensive play into something of a lost art. Is Virgil Van Dijk really as good as everyone says he is or is he benefitting from being an excellent defender at a time when there are so few of them about?
The upshot of this is that the game has improved as a spectacle, but, as someone who grew up in the 60s and 70s, I liked it when the old style First Division was almost as hard to predict as the modern day Championship.
The top sides in the Premier League have improved this season and whoever finishes second can take some very small consolation in the knowledge that they are a far better team than many who have won it in previous years, but Leicester's fantastic triumph apart, the domestic game is much too predictable and there are far too many mismatches for this to be seen as some sort of football golden age.
As for the "Champions League" - I make it that the sides contesting the Final this year haven't been Champions for a combined total of eighty seven years!
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insider
Imo Football is at it's shittest pinnacle ever.
Diving cheating and bent to fack by the billion pound industry it has become.
It's just become like motor racing whoever's got the best car/most money wins.
That's not quite right. Alonso, who is no friend of Hamilton, said Hamilton is the best driver "because he can win in a bad car". And he has proved it.
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I mean, shit defending won both semi finals. How is that, that good?
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I give up, I watched 2 of the most incredible games this week but some residents off comb still think 80s football was much better ffs
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depends in which context we are talking . globalisation of football at the top level has come at a cost where the elite are grabbing all the money with tv companies prepared to spend millions to satisfy the sporting public masses in china , Malaysia etc
the standard of football in the elite circles of the game is breath taking .god knows how the game will pan out in say 10 years time . the players are almost robotic now as it is . as for globalisation of the game particularly the prem league it must be pointed out , out of the 18 man spurs squad yesterday featured only 3 british players and Liverpool 5 players the night before . is that progress for the home nation teams ?
the number of children playing are now at record levels in the UK so yes the game has never been more powerful which is great .
as mentioned a million times on here the sooner a breakaway European league takes off the better
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jamieccfc
I give up, I watched 2 of the most incredible games this week but some residents off comb still think 80s football was much better ffs
Its an old person thing, everyone puts their own generation on a pedestal .
its like when people say this generation of kids have it the worse, and we had the best childhoods, but then their parents also said that about them, and theirs about them again, and kids today will be saying the same to their kids.
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MOZZER2
depends in which context we are talking . globalisation of football at the top level has come at a cost where the elite are grabbing all the money with tv companies prepared to spend millions to satisfy the sporting public masses in china , Malaysia etc
the standard of football in the elite circles of the game is breath taking .god knows how the game will pan out in say 10 years time . the players are almost robotic now as it is . as for globalisation of the game particularly the prem league it must be pointed out , out of the 18 man spurs squad yesterday featured only 3 british players and Liverpool 5 players the night before . is that progress for the home nation teams ?
the number of children playing are now at record levels in the UK so yes the game has never been more powerful which is great .
as mentioned a million times on here the sooner a breakaway European league takes off the better
In regards to your point about home nations, I would make the point that they have all been shit for about 50 years while the British leagues were full of British players, and have improved recently with the globalisation of the premier league, maybe a smaller group of core players (Bale, Ramsey) playing at the elite is better at the top end.
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I take your point there chris but I would love to see the uk breed top level elite football players not just up and down merchants . you can get them 10 a penny in any academy right now . there is a huge difference now with the standards so high .
oh well back down to earth now and settle down for the Newport game on soon :hehe:
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El Gwapo
It may be two "English" teams in the final, but in reality its two teams from the richest league in the final. They are hardly littered with English players
Does that mean Cardiff City don't classify as a Welsh club but merely as a club from the richest league?
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Harry Monk
The media hype is duping people into thinking its at its best.
Perhaps people are forming their opinions based on what they're seeing with their own eyes.
I'm greatly amused by the fact that there are those who apparently haven't enjoyed the glorious football we've witnessed this season, though. If they think it's shit, I'd love to know what they think is good.....
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MOZZER2
the standard of football in the elite circles of the game is breath taking .god knows how the game will pan out in say 10 years time . the players are almost robotic now as it is . as for globalisation of the game particularly the prem league it must be pointed out , out of the 18 man spurs squad yesterday featured only 3 british players and Liverpool 5 players the night before . is that progress for the home nation teams ?
Maths obviously isn't your strong point then, Mozz.
The Spurs squad actually contained six British players yesterday, while Liverpool's squad the night before contained eight. By comparison, the Barcelona squad contained just five Spaniards.
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The Lone Gunman
Perhaps people are forming their opinions based on what they're seeing with their own eyes.
I'm greatly amused by the fact that there are those who apparently haven't enjoyed the glorious football we've witnessed this season, though. If they think it's shit, I'd love to know what they think is good.....
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...0%92s+football
See gringo’s link in thread
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The Lone Gunman
Perhaps people are forming their opinions based on what they're seeing with their own eyes.
I'm greatly amused by the fact that there are those who apparently haven't enjoyed the glorious football we've witnessed this season, though. If they think it's shit, I'd love to know what they think is good.....
Some of what I’ve seen is happening right before my eyes yet sometimes I can’t keep up, it’s a blur, Christ knows what it’s like being on the pitch actually confronting it. I was in the ‘away’ end for that Super Cup game at our ground the other season, Bale was definitely on the right wing running towards our end, the ball ended up in the net through Ronaldo and he ran to Bale to thank him for the cross from the LEFT wing!! I wasn’t pissed, for a change, yet I never seen him switch flanks in the move but he bloody did. And it’s been akin to that this season in some of our drubbings, my jersey would be inside out & back to front if I had to mark these players, even though we’ve been on the wrong end of their wizardry (now there’s an old football description) it’s hard not to admire it, it is so impressive.
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splott parker
Some of what I’ve seen is happening right before my eyes yet sometimes I can’t keep up, it’s a blur, Christ knows what it’s like being on the pitch actually confronting it. I was in the ‘away’ end for that Super Cup game at our ground the other season, Bale was definitely on the right wing running towards our end, the ball ended up in the net through Ronaldo and he ran to Bale to thank him for the cross from the LEFT wing!! I wasn’t pissed, for a change, yet I never seen him switch flanks in the move but he bloody did. And it’s been akin to that this season in some of our drubbings, my jersey would be inside out & back to front if I had to mark these players, even though we’ve been on the wrong end of their wizardry (now there’s an old football description) it’s hard not to admire it, it is so impressive.
And yet, incredibly, we have people in this thread claiming football is the worst it's ever been (or words to that effect) and the players are robotic!
Some of the football in the Premier League this season has been breathtaking, and I'm not just talking about the top two, who have been sensational. Mid-ranking sides like Watford and Wolves have also played some incredible stuff, as have Palace
The two Champions League semis speak for themselves, and there were also a couple of amazing games earlier in the competition. Meanwhile, both Norwich and Sheffield United have produced some exhilarating performances in the Championship.
It's been a vintage year for British club football. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who hasn't enjoyed it.
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The Lone Gunman
Maths obviously isn't your strong point then, Mozz.
The Spurs squad actually contained six British players yesterday, while Liverpool's squad the night before contained eight. By comparison, the Barcelona squad contained just five Spaniards.
I got the team line ups from a web site yesterday obviously not right as it didn't mention ben davies and I thought that was odd . noticed tonight he came on as sub last night .I didn't see the game last night so took the line ups as gospel . Haven't seen too many brits in the arsenal line up tonight !
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Added to the lack of home grown on the pitch, the demise of the English manager at the highest level is stark. Years gone by there was always a healthy, successful Scottish contingent as well. A few English managers also went Continental, obviously the money sloshing about has a lot to do with it but we’ve fallen miles behind haven’t we.
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splott parker
Added to the lack of home grown on the pitch, the demise of the English manager at the highest level is stark. Years gone by there was always a healthy, successful Scottish contingent as well. A few English managers also went Continental, obviously the money sloshing about has a lot to do with it but we’ve fallen miles behind haven’t we.
That's true, but young English and Welsh players seem to be benefitting from having foreign coaches.
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The Lone Gunman
That's true, but young English and Welsh players seem to be benefitting from having foreign coaches.
But are they breaking through to regular first team football? Prem clubs usually go for the ‘off the shelf’ ready made early 20s or even older player from abroad rather than give their own youth a chance. Annoying about Matonda going to Man City, then ending up at Schalke, if he’s at that Bundesliga standard he’d have certainly got a lot of game time had he stayed with us. Sancho, an England international, over in Germany as well. Who’s the Chelsea player who fairly recently made his England debut before his first team debut. Unthinkable in the not too distant past, a player actually playing for England yet hadn’t started for his club!!!! England u/17 & u/19 have done marvellous at tournaments and, as you say, this is no doubt due to working day in, day out at their clubs with the creme de la creme but there must be 40 odd players involved, how many will get a sniff of a first team opportunity? It’s a Catch 22 situation, it’ll be sad to see a lot of young UK talent hit a brick wall at 20/21, it’ll be interesting in, say, 10 years time to read a ‘Where are they now’ article about the squads of these recent English tournament winners. Let’s hope the majority of them can break through.
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splott parker
But are they breaking through to regular first team football? Prem clubs usually go for the ‘off the shelf’ ready made early 20s or even older player from abroad rather than give their own youth a chance. Annoying about Matonda going to Man City, then ending up at Schalke, if he’s at that Bundesliga standard he’d have certainly got a lot of game time had he stayed with us. Sancho, an England international, over in Germany as well. Who’s the Chelsea player who fairly recently made his England debut before his first team debut. Unthinkable in the not too distant past, a player actually playing for England yet hadn’t started for his club!!!! England u/17 & u/19 have done marvellous at tournaments and, as you say, this is no doubt due to working day in, day out at their clubs with the creme de la creme but there must be 40 odd players involved, how many will get a sniff of a first team opportunity? It’s a Catch 22 situation, it’ll be sad to see a lot of young UK talent hit a brick wall at 20/21, it’ll be interesting in, say, 10 years time to read a ‘Where are they now’ article about the squads of these recent English tournament winners. Let’s hope the majority of them can break through.
There are pros and cons for everything, but the English and Welsh national teams look in pretty decent shape by comparison to many previous generations.