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i mentioned on another thread we have given 8 academy players there debuts this season
How many did Warnock give debuts too in each of his seasons when he was in charge here ?
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i mentioned on another thread we have given 8 academy players there debuts this season
How many did Warnock give debuts too in each of his seasons when he was in charge here ?
I'm no Eric, but I think Ibrahim Meite and Mark Harris in his first season - and not much else
I have no idea. Not many if memory serves, but I don't keep stats about such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
I think it's worth mentioning that there's no way we would have given 8 academy players their debuts hadn't it been for injuries.
That's not exclusive to this season - we haven't had a strategy for blooding youngsters for yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It’s also worth mentioning that Ashford made his first sub appearance in league game number 42 and his first start in league game number 44, while the only other academy players to make Championship appearances did so in game 44 as subs (Conte and Giles).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Even the most ardent Bulut fan can’t pretend he’s had a policy of bringing the youngsters through.
I'm not sure that's what he was getting at, i think the question was yours, which manager has had a policy of bringing through youth at Cardiff?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Mick McCarthy brought a few through I think. Morrison also played a few initially, but that didn’t last. I give up. Which manager has had a policy of bringing through youth at Cardiff?Quote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
Dave Jones, Malky Mackay, Mick McCarthy, Steve Morison.Quote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
Bulut has this weird attitude towards cup matches - he plays a completely different type of football in them and is much more prepared to use youngsters. Joel Colwill has spent close to half a season sat on the bench for the first team and still hasn’t played a minute of Championship football - our manager clearly doesn’t see cup football as “real” football as applied to young players.
The internet is wonderful isn't it, people post their opinions which they are entitled to make, and other people take it personally and make it their life's mission to comment against any negativity (how dare lifelong fans have opinions)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
At a glance today Mozz has posted about Bulut getting manager of the day (Swansea won 4-0 Stoke 3-0 and lowly Qpr beat Preston to officially be safe from relegation) and is banging on about Bulut like he's got a history of promoting youth. We saw them because 11 players were out injured and its taken an age after we were in "no mans land" to give them minutes...
We are builiding a cracking list, it's the wrong reasons for blooding youngsters now, the wrong type of goals, wrong type of wins, surprised someone hasn't said we've got the wrong type of grass :hehe:
Do you think Ashford starts without injuries or illness in the squad? Just a yes or no answer not your usual manoeuvring.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Same as Klopp, Pep, and McCarthy (added cos some dope is bound to say you think Buluts as good as Pep) young players get their chance when the teams have injuries, if it's Liverpool Klops is a genius, if it's Bulut he's a jammy Kent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dembe
I've no idea that's why i asked, it wasn't a rhetorical question!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Without looking, off the top of my head the most sustainable that went on to have a career is it / would it be Dave Jones maybe, i know he was there a long time but i remember we had a decent pathway (but could be well out) Ramsey, Ledley, Chris Gunter, Joe Jacobsson, Mathews, Darcy Blake ( lol)...
I can remember plenty of people complaining that Dave Jones didn't trust the youth enough at the time
You went with the manoeuvre then :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Ramsey not playing in the FA Cup Final :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
wrong post.Quote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
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Is that your burst implant :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dembe
Morison, really? Not sure who he broke in, was Bagan & Davies? Signing 17 players in 1 window ( :hehe: ) was a ringing endorsement of the quality of our youth, and he should know he was managing them previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Zimba. I think Harris gave Bagan his debutQuote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
From memory I think McCarthy gave debuts to Colwill, Evans, Bowen, King, D'Almeida, T.Davies and Denham
Oh dear, oh dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Klopp and Pep brought through loads of youngsters throughout their career and not just when there was injuries. Klopp is renowned for it every club hes been at.
Last season Pep brought through Rico Lewis, this year Oscar Bobb. He played Rico Lewis in some massive games back end of last year when they were chasing the treble, ahead of more established players such as Kyle Walker.
Bulut wouldnt do that in a million years, stop talking nonsense ffs.
Imagine using Pep as an example ffs. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
He broke up one of the best Barcelona teams ever and told Ronaldinho he wasnt part of his plans so he could bring through the next generation of youngsters. :hehe:
Absolutely clueless. Say.
Pep apparently didn't rate Cole Palmer though.:facepalm:
This is important, bring through and giving debuts are not the same. If these guys that played Saturday go on to be regulars and Bulut is gone by the end of the season he can't take any credit. If he sticks around and they feature more and more next season then of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Dont think it was case of not rating him, just not rating him as highly as Foden and others in his position and not being able to give him as much time on the pitch as he wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
Unfortunately for Palmer he would have been competing with Foden, KDB and Bernardo Silva this year - 3 of the best players in the world.
Nonsense Martha, all coaches bring in players when there is a gap, mostly through injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Of course if you get a good wave of youngsters like the Fergie period they can break them in quicker, Pep and Klopp have the best youngsters around, so of course there is always a full team worth of players ready and waiting.
Bulut like the rest has introduced the youngsters to the squad for training, given them minutes when they were ready, and now when called upon they did well and will get more chances unless we get your wish of another McCarthy who will rip the squad apart and send them back to the 21's to mess things up again.
He has given young players more opportunities than most of the previous managers, including your precious Mick.
You need to learn your Cardiff manegment history Barry George. McCarthy had to rip the squad up the summer after finishing 8th because of cost cutting measures. He was only able to bring 2/3 players in on loan or free transfer, thus meaning he had to bring youngsters through, some before they were ready, some that were not up to championship football, and ultimately it cost him his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
**** me we were so strapped for cash we signed Ryan Wintle on a free transfer then loaned him out the same summer! :hehe:
Bulut dont know he was born being able to sign 15m players on loan last summer, embargo or not
School girl error Martha, so Bulut had them ready and able to step in after a major rebuild and a fine win against automatic premier league squad automatic contenders, and Mick didn't and brought in a few unprepared youngsters, I agree well done Bulut and the team for getting them ready to start the step up!Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Bollocks Barry. Bulut hasnt prepared anything - his hand was forced, no ifs or buts. Trying to dress it up any other way is utter nonsense but entirely predictable coming from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Mick was already bringing the youngsters through the season before when we finished 8th and he had to rip it up. He gave Bagan and Colwill their league debuts in February 2021 and they went onto play several times before the end of the season. He would have also given Isaak his debut had he not got injured.
Also, if memory serves, it was Mick who was the first to really wax lyrical about Colwill as he wasnt really the promising youngster on everyonese lips. There were others ahead of him in the pecking order as youngsters who people thought was going to break into the first team any time soon.
Not strictly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I stepped off the path popping in here and now find myself in a parallel universe with a butterfly stuck to my shoe.
I only have login details saved on my laptop. Much less chance of standing on any unsuspecting butterflies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
Hes going on ignore. I cant read his nonense anymore. He knows less about football than Sludge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dembe
Repeats himself in the same fashion too, over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Hes gone. Im too busy this week to waste anymore time on him. Clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dembe
Martha go and cuddle your baby reminder mick teddy :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
That is the best news ever :wave:
Restraining order worked eventually :hehe:
Don't try and guilt-trip me! :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dembe