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McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
Pay him off now. This afternoon . Text him.
Not my usual attitude I know because I’m big on loyalty and commitment.
This is different-
1. He’s going absolutely nowhere with this style . He simply can’t - if it was going anywhere it’d take five years and it would require commitment , leadership and definite commitment on his part.
2. He simply doesn’t give a **** and doesn’t even try to hide that . I haven’t got time for that - if he’s trying then we can forgive mistakes and failure but people are paying good money to support the club and Sri Vincent Tan is supporting it with millions which could be better spent if it’s a big waste.
No, I’m not a ruthless employer but frankly I’d bloody have him now. Immediately or sooner - he’s taking the piss out of everyone here.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
The 5-0 defeats were always going to come back and haunt him.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
Pay him off now. This afternoon . Text him.
Not my usual attitude I know because I’m big on loyalty and commitment.
This is different-
1. He’s going absolutely nowhere with this style . He simply can’t - if it was going anywhere it’d take five years and it would require commitment , leadership and definite commitment on his part.
2. He simply doesn’t give a **** and doesn’t even try to hide that . I haven’t got time for that - if he’s trying then we can forgive mistakes and failure but people are paying good money to support the club and Sri Vincent Tan is supporting it with millions which could be better spent if it’s a big waste.
No, I’m not a ruthless employer but frankly I’d bloody have him now. Immediately or sooner - he’s taking the piss out of everyone here.
Are you a toddler? I only ask because this is very suspiciously close to a tantrum.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
The club did their usual panic with MM.
He was a great appointment on a short term deal when Harris was showing he didn't have a clue. Great short term fix while the club had several months to make sure they found the right manager to take us in a new direction.
Sadly a quick run of good results and his agents spins a celtic story which I have no doubt was nonsense and we give him a 2 year deal.
I don't think he is a terrible manager, he's pretty much what everyone expected. Personally I just wish we had tried to go in another direction and attempt to play some football.
I don't see the point in sacking him now though, a new manager needed a full summer of recruitment and to work with who we had.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
The club did their usual panic with MM.
He was a great appointment on a short term deal when Harris was showing he didn't have a clue. Great short term fix while the club had several months to make sure they found the right manager to take us in a new direction.
Sadly a quick run of good results and his agents spins a celtic story which I have no doubt was nonsense and we give him a 2 year deal.
I don't think he is a terrible manager, he's pretty much what everyone expected. Personally I just wish we had tried to go in another direction and attempt to play some football.
I don't see the point in sacking him now though, a new manager needed a full summer of recruitment and to work with who we had.
If we want a different style then a new manager would need to be in place at end of season, I don’t like the style of play but can’t really sack him after 1st defeat of the season.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
Any new manager would have to play according to the strengths of the players he has available.To play a different way would require a new team and there are no funds available or a transfer window to acquire them. It would be ridiculous to change the manager now.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
Calm down - we won’t struggle or go down with MM.
That seems to be the aim during these times, as the parachute ends. Steady the ship, while we ride the storm.
The club isn’t being reckless and to be fair (without checking) MM has a top 6 record since he been here.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
darran1927
If we want a different style then a new manager would need to be in place at end of season, I don’t like the style of play but can’t really sack him after 1st defeat of the season.
Totally agree.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
True , so let him make a start and get on with it now.
It’s a bloody mess and everything has been needlessly buggered up so much as I’ve opposed it for years, now is the time to start this big project of rebuilding in a new image of more entertaining better quality football with a young manager.
I didn’t want it because I didn’t want to waste what we’d already done and I knew it’d mean a period in the wilderness, but he’s led us there now , so let’s agree with those who’ve been calling for a rebuild for years and try that. We CAN do it , although it’ll take time.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
The club did their usual panic with MM.
He was a great appointment on a short term deal when Harris was showing he didn't have a clue. Great short term fix while the club had several months to make sure they found the right manager to take us in a new direction.
Sadly a quick run of good results and his agents spins a celtic story which I have no doubt was nonsense and we give him a 2 year deal.
I don't think he is a terrible manager, he's pretty much what everyone expected. Personally I just wish we had tried to go in another direction and attempt to play some football.
I don't see the point in sacking him now though, a new manager needed a full summer of recruitment and to work with who we had.
True , so let him make a start and get on with it now.
It’s a bloody mess and everything has been needlessly buggered up so much as I’ve opposed it for years, now is the time to start this big project of rebuilding in a new image of more entertaining better quality football with a young manager.
I didn’t want it because I didn’t want to waste what we’d already done and I knew it’d mean a period in the wilderness, but he’s led us there now , so let’s agree with those who’ve been calling for a rebuild for years and try that. We CAN do it , although it’ll take time.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
No, I’m not a ruthless employer but frankly I’d bloody have him now.
You’ve bloody got him now. And I’d bloody get used to it if I was you, as you’ll bloody have him for the rest of the bloody season at least.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
True , so let him make a start and get on with it now.
It’s a bloody mess and everything has been needlessly buggered up so much as I’ve opposed it for years, now is the time to start this big project of rebuilding in a new image of more entertaining better quality football with a young manager.
I didn’t want it because I didn’t want to waste what we’d already done and I knew it’d mean a period in the wilderness, but he’s led us there now , so let’s agree with those who’ve been calling for a rebuild for years and try that. We CAN do it , although it’ll take time.
Putting the same post in the same thread twice is rather strange behaviour. Have you had a bad day or have you been drinking ?
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Any new manager would have to play according to the strengths of the players he has available.To play a different way would require a new team and there are no funds available or a transfer window to acquire them. It would be ridiculous to change the manager now.
How many transfer windows do we need to say this after though?
It seems we get a new manager, the board tell us they want a more entertaining style. They then sign players that fit into our long ball style and then repeat it.
One way to guarantee long ball football is to employ long ball manager after long ball manager and give them what little money we have.
It wouldn't be too bad if it was successful long ball football. We're getting found out by more and more sides and our usually resolute back line are anything but so far.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
What you're asking for is for the board to:
i) buy Mick and staff out of their contract, and
ii) probably compensate another club as part of hiring their managerial team, and
iii) back the new manager in the next transfer window
That seems highly unlikely at the end of this year and impossible to believe before the end of this year, unless things start to go badly wrong.
However, please return to this post when Mick does eventually go and compare the club's position to what Warnock left us with. That will be the test of whether we've progressed or not.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
It seems we get a new manager, the board tell us they want a more entertaining style.
I don’t recall anyone on the board saying anything of the sort when McCarthy was appointed.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
True , so let him make a start and get on with it now.
It’s a bloody mess and everything has been needlessly buggered up so much as I’ve opposed it for years, now is the time to start this big project of rebuilding in a new image of more entertaining better quality football with a young manager.
I didn’t want it because I didn’t want to waste what we’d already done and I knew it’d mean a period in the wilderness, but he’s led us there now , so let’s agree with those who’ve been calling for a rebuild for years and try that. We CAN do it , although it’ll take time.
Tan should give him 250 million so we can maybe get top half premier league:sherlock:
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
Think he's doing exactly what he's been asked to do. We'll be ok this season, won't go up, won't go down. Hopefully we'll see the young players improve.
What happens next season is really interesting. Lots of established players out of contract. Are they kept on or not, and if not, who replaces them and what type of football do we play then?
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
We have no money to reshape a squad or attract a better manager. Look at our transfer dealings this window. We have freed up the wages of Glatzel, Bamba, Bennet, Hoilet,Day, Johnny Williams (anywhere between 50-100k a week). And have replaced them with three free transfers one of which has gone out on loan (Wintle).
Let's try and look at the positive - we aint going down, and we're seeing more youngsters in the squad than I can remember for years. Yes, it's not great to watch but safety has to be the no.1 priority.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
How many transfer windows do we need to say this after though?
It seems we get a new manager, the board tell us they want a more entertaining style. They then sign players that fit into our long ball style and then repeat it.
One way to guarantee long ball football is to employ long ball manager after long ball manager and give them what little money we have.
It wouldn't be too bad if it was successful long ball football. We're getting found out by more and more sides and our usually resolute back line are anything but so far.
I have said this before but you obviously never read anything anyone else says. We signed four players this summer - none of them are long ball or ‘hoofball’ as you like to call it, players. They are all technically proficient players who like the ball to feet and can pass. That tends to drive a horse and cart through your theory as to how Mick McCarthy wants us to play. Also a number of the goals that we have let in recently have been as a result of individual errors by young players (including Sang for example in yesterday match) - what do you want us to do, get rid of them all out of the team ? They need to learn and get experience by playing, not criticism and ridicule by people like you. They will learn from their mistakes and become better players for it. Also, even Jurssett yesterday thought that we played some good football and very little long stuff - if he can see that with his one eyed views, why cant you - oh, I forgot, you don't go to games and get all your info off the back of a fag packet or by making it up.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I don’t recall anyone on the board saying anything of the sort when McCarthy was appointed.
They said it when Harris came on board.
Have they changed their mind since then?
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
They said it when Harris came on board.
Have they changed their mind since then?
Obviously. They sacked Harris and brought in McCarthy.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Obviously. They sacked Harris and brought in McCarthy.
I didn't mean manager as you well know.
If they've suddenly given up their plan of playing more football then it shows just how clueless they are.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
I have said this before but you obviously never read anything anyone else says. We signed four players this summer - none of them are long ball or ‘hoofball’ as you like to call it, players. They are all technically proficient players who like the ball to feet and can pass. That tends to drive a horse and cart through your theory as to how Mick McCarthy wants us to play. Also a number of the goals that we have let in recently have been as a result of individual errors by young players (including Sang for example in yesterday match) - what do you want us to do, get rid of them all out of the team ? They need to learn and get experience by playing, not criticism and ridicule by people like you. They will learn from their mistakes and become better players for it. Also, even Jurssett yesterday thought that we played some good football and very little long stuff - if he can see that with his one eyed views, why cant you - oh, I forgot, you don't go to games and get all your info off the back of a fag packet or by making it up.
Yeah, you're right.
One is so technically proficient in the central midfield area where we lack this that he has already gone out on loan.
The other technically proficient centre back is so proficient that he can't get a starting place in a back line that can't pass water.
Those signings yeah?
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
If they've suddenly given up their plan of playing more football then it shows just how clueless they are.
Maybe, but you’re tying yourself in knots in your bid to discredit them by accusing them of saying things they didn’t.
Nobody would claim they wanted more exciting football while appointing Mick McCarthy - not even Tan and Co.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Maybe, but you’re tying yourself in knots in your bid to discredit them by accusing them of saying things they didn’t.
Nobody would claim they wanted more exciting football while appointing Mick McCarthy - not even Tan and Co.
No. They wanted more entertaining football.
They didn't get that with Harris and have not come out to say anything else so I assume they still want entertaining football.
As has been posted here many times it is that lack of vision and direction of where the club is going that is the issue for many.
The longer it goes on though it certainly looks like treading water on the cheap. All a bit uninspiring.
Unless you're dml. He loves it. Not sure how he sees half of what he sees but he does.
You've said yourself we lost yesterday against a poor Bristol City team. That is exactly what it was. If MM, the club or anybody else think that was acceptable for a home game against one of your biggest rivals then they're sadly mistaken.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
The club is 9th one point of play offs , 5 points off top , yeh were I big trouble 😳
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
They wanted more entertaining football. They didn't get that with Harris and have not come out to say anything else so I assume they still want entertaining football.
Of course. They wanted entertaining football so they appointed Mick McCarthy. 🤣
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Of course. They wanted entertaining football so they appointed Mick McCarthy. 🤣
You could say the same with Harris.
What to you suggests Harris can play entertaining football?
The fans knew how Harris played, just as they do McCarthy. Our board seem to be the ones who didn't. If anything McCarthy's teams play a little more football than Harris.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
I have said this before but you obviously never read anything anyone else says. We signed four players this summer - none of them are long ball or ‘hoofball’ as you like to call it, players. They are all technically proficient players who like the ball to feet and can pass. That tends to drive a horse and cart through your theory as to how Mick McCarthy wants us to play. Also a number of the goals that we have let in recently have been as a result of individual errors by young players (including Sang for example in yesterday match) - what do you want us to do, get rid of them all out of the team ? They need to learn and get experience by playing, not criticism and ridicule by people like you. They will learn from their mistakes and become better players for it. Also, even Jurssett yesterday thought that we played some good football and very little long stuff - if he can see that with his one eyed views, why cant you - oh, I forgot, you don't go to games and get all your info off the back of a fag packet or by making it up.
I agree. The initial post is ridiculous. I actually enjoyed yesterday's game, it was end to end and we played some nice football all at times. We didn't defend very well, and didn't exploit our set pieces but could have had 4 or five goals. Giles was clear through, Moore had one kicked off the line and one deflected wide and their 'keeper saved from Bacuna and Bagan.
A couple of years ago everybody was stating how we were signing players for big fees and high wages , and Warnock didn't give any youngsters a chance. As said above we've offloaded Bamba, Holiett, Day, Glatzel and Williams. And lost Wilson and Ojo too. And in our sued for League games since MM has come here has been Bagan, Harris, Colwill, Sang, Brown, McGuiness, Evans, Patten and Isaac Davies. And in cup games we have used Tom Davies, D'Almeida, Bowen and Denham. Do we expect to win the League then?
As for Wintle I expect he has been sent out to free up a slot (and a wage) to bring in another player in a different position.
Yes let's sack MM and re-appoint Warnock! Would you give him your chequebook? (If we have a chequebook these days).
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
Just like Warnock, the Malaysian owners had never heard of him until he drove past the Sand Martin. Don’t sack him, sack the person who is badly advising the owners, when taking on these people.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
I was gutted when he was announced as Harris' replacement.
I thought the club would try to take a different direction but sadly no.
It's panning out as I had expected.
Dour Yorkshire man paying dour football. Its getting hard to get up for a game tbh same old shite week in week out with no chance of a change whilst this dinosaur is in charge.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I don’t recall anyone on the board saying anything of the sort when McCarthy was appointed.
I would have done . I thought he was a shocking , short sighted appointment. I started to bore myself moaning about him and the hoof ball.
I accept he is now our manager , constantly moaning is unlikely to change anything.
We should have had a crack with Craig Bellamy , at least he is forward thinking. Don't know how his temperament is suited though.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
Jimmy the Jock
I would have done . I thought he was a shocking , short sighted appointment. I started to bore myself moaning about him and the hoof ball.
I accept he is now our manager , constantly moaning is unlikely to change anything.
We should have had a crack with Craig Bellamy , at least he is forward thinking. Don't know how his temperament is suited though.
I wonder if any of those players breaking into the first team worked under Bellamy when they were younger, and if they did, what their reaction would have been if he had been appointed.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
The Bloop
I wonder if any of those players breaking into the first team worked under Bellamy when they were younger, and if they did, what their reaction would have been if he had been appointed.
I should add to my criticism , its great to see youngsters getting a chance this season.
I am thinking Bellamys under 18s won their league playing fine football, TOBW or Loramski should be able to confirm or otherwise on that one.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
Since Dave Jones left May 2011, and excluding caretakers, Cardiff City have played 42 games under unproven managers with an attacking mindset and 399 games under experienced managers with a more basic approach.
Excluding 12 games under Trollope, we've gone from Slade to Warnock to Harris to Mick.
Can we please at least agree that "lacking vision" isn't a good enough description of what's happened?
On the plus side:
i) The last player to break from youth team into first team was Declan John in 2013-14 (before that there was Ben Nugent in '12-'13 and Joe Ralls in '11-'12) but through want or necessity that stat will need to be updated now. Harris was first in a good long while to talk seriously about promoting youth.
ii) Transfer windows also seem to be becoming better.
iii) Manager change is unlikely to happen until after Mick has gone via contract exhaustion but this should result in increasingly noticeable change of style of play, though I still think we're going to be more Nuno's Wolves rather than Bruno's Wolves so might not be good enough for some people. To be honest, I think we'll see that slight change before Mick goes but it won't be enough for those wanting Pep's Barca.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
Pay him off now. This afternoon . Text him.
Not my usual attitude I know because I’m big on loyalty and commitment.
This is different-
1. He’s going absolutely nowhere with this style . He simply can’t - if it was going anywhere it’d take five years and it would require commitment , leadership and definite commitment on his part.
2. He simply doesn’t give a **** and doesn’t even try to hide that . I haven’t got time for that - if he’s trying then we can forgive mistakes and failure but people are paying good money to support the club and Sri Vincent Tan is supporting it with millions which could be better spent if it’s a big waste.
No, I’m not a ruthless employer but frankly I’d bloody have him now. Immediately or sooner - he’s taking the piss out of everyone here.
Do you enjoy a few bottles of wine after your Sunday lunch?
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Any new manager would have to play according to the strengths of the players he has available.To play a different way would require a new team and there are no funds available or a transfer window to acquire them. It would be ridiculous to change the manager now.
someone else who knows all about the club and the owner's financial situations. you should be a share dealer, you clearly ave inside information.
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
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Originally Posted by
PhyllisStant
We have no money to reshape a squad or attract a better manager. Look at our transfer dealings this window. We have freed up the wages of Glatzel, Bamba, Bennet, Hoilet,Day, Johnny Williams (anywhere between 50-100k a week). And have replaced them with three free transfers one of which has gone out on loan (Wintle).
Let's try and look at the positive - we aint going down, and we're seeing more youngsters in the squad than I can remember for years. Yes, it's not great to watch but safety has to be the no.1 priority.
And another one. Is that your opinion or expert knowledge, as in fact?
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
MM hasn't done a bad job at all since being appointed
He's as good a manager as anyone else in the championship
I am afraid if people want dynamic football it's not going to happen
He's the manager , that's the way it is
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Re: McCarthy is ruining our club. Sack him NOW before it gets worse.
But we're above the woeful gorgeous footy playing Jacks .