It's in the Scum
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/40797...-news-kenneth-
£20 million then please :thumbup:
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It's in the Scum
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/40797...-news-kenneth-
£20 million then please :thumbup:
Ken did really well under Trollope and will no doubt be looking forward to going there to be back up to Murray and Baldock
Or to put it another way - would be a stupid move which he'll have already worked out unless his agent is going to get a huge wedge out of in which case £15m please and on loan to Villa in the new year.
Somebody posted on there that "there's more chance of Sludge copping off" :hehe:
Could be a lifeline for Brighton fans with old Zamora tattoos
I'd stick another £5 million at least on his valuation if a Premier League club came in with a bid. I also happen to think it would be a really poor move for him because I can see Brighton coming straight back down again.
A few days ago Warnock was talking about clubs starting to make panic buys as we move in August & I think that he was referring to the potential sale of the likes of Noone, John, O'Keefe or maybe Pilkington. Exactly the same situation applies to Zohore & if interest continues to rise & bidding starts to creep up I hope that we can hold our nerve.
Player power can play a part in decisions to sell players but reading between the lines, I wouldn't be surprised if Warnock has made an agreement with Zohore to stay this season & then move on next summer. The challenge for us will come if we get any offers close to £15m which is not out of the question judging by the money currently being spent by premier league sides.
I can't see a championship club offering £15m but I can see a premier league club like Brighton offering that sort of money. I agree that if we get a big offer from the premier league then add a lot more on as we seem to be holding most of the cards here as Zohore is under contract & appears to be happy.
With the season looming and the squad taking shape as NW wants it, I would hope that Hull, Brighton and whoever else comes calling are told to piss off. I appreciate it would take big balls to turn down offers possibly exceeding £15m but after the last few years we as fans deserve an exciting season on the field. The amount of money for 1 Championship player is obscene, but at this time I feel that Ken is integral in our coming season and what he offers would be very hard to replace unless we fell really lucky.
Ken is currently our player and doesn't owe us a lot in financial term. If he stays for another year and fulfills half his potential, then his value will move to the next level. I do however feel that January could be a time when we find it very hard to hang onto him.
Didnt Glen Murray work with NW at Palace?
Wouldnt be surprised to see and exchange plus money?
Murray is 34 and past it prem wise but is useful at our level?
I think the club would be crazy to even consider letting Zohore go for anything less than £15m. But like the OBW said, if a prem club comes along then stick another £5m on top and then hope a bidding war starts lol.
This is an interesting development (and worrying if you want to watch a competitive and exciting Cardiff next year). In all honesty I think we would lose money if we accepted less than £20M for Ken - but I can see that figure being met from the Prem before the end of August if he starts off like a rocket.
When you look at what is being paid for players now then I genuinely don't know how you'd replace what he brings the side this late in the transfer window. I'm also concerned that NW has said that if Zohore isn't here at the start of the season then NW won't be either.
I just want the season to start now and for everyone else and their bids for Ken to bugger off!
Are we totally convinced Zohore is worth £15 - 20m and is going to score, say, 25 goals next season? I was as thrilled as anyone to see his goals last season - many were brilliantly taken and showed genuine class. But I also saw him in a couple of games toward the end of the season when he was almost anonymous - though some might say he didn't get good service. He was also affected by some heavy tackles in those games.
I just feel we need to be realistic and don't rely on one man for our Championship challenge. Would a proven Championship goal scorer (who we could buy with a large slice of the money we got for Zohore) be preferable to one with considerable potential?
I'm resigning myself to Zohore going before the window shuts or even before the season starts. It's a double edged sword though if he starts the season with us. If he struggles to score in our early games it'll mean we'll be way down the table but he'll most probably stay, if he starts like a train, banging them in for fun, we'll be right up there but he'll be gone, albeit for big money before the window closes. I wonder if Neil is planning for life without him and has a few irons in the fire? On balance it'd be better if he goes after a few wins & goals giving us a bit of time to bring two or even three replacements in with the inflated fee. Just hope we squeeze ridiculous money out of someone, otherwise there'll be taxi drivers coming out with 'I haven't been down the City since they sold Tosha.....err Zohore"!!!
There is some amazing stuff in this and most other threads I've read concerning Zohore this summer.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this 23 year-old has so far had less than half a decent season at Championship level. I saw him in February against Fulham and he was excellent against what was a very generous defence, but I'd also watched him a month earlier against Burton and he was absolutely dreadful. He had an eleven-game, two-month purple patch, during which he netted an impressive total of ten goals, but he then scored just one in the last six matches of the 2016/17 campaign.
Does anybody seriously believe clubs would pay out sums like £10 million, £15 million or even £20 million for a player with such a record? It appears so, but to me that looks like wishful thinking to put it mildly.
^^
'Silly season' 'desperation' ' chancing it' etc
It can happen, and it might.
C'mon Dave, you're not in exile anymore, you took a couple of aways in last season, you must have noticed that football has gone even crazier than the years before your 'time out'. There's ridiculous money sloshing about in the Premier Division, even the Championship has gone money nuts. If Zohore bangs a few in early August a club like Brighton, if they have a dodgy start, may press the panic button and offer a daft fee. Hopefully the daft fee will be for Trollope's last season's starting centre forward, Fred, 😀. Rickie Lambert, even with our limited funds, was our ridiculously expensive (over expensive by our current standards) panic purchase, I'd have thought on ratio that he turned out more expensive than anything paid for Zohore.
Interesting that you have focussed on the last 6 games which ignore Zohore's 3 goal contribution in the previous 4 games. If you look at the last 10 league games plus the Euro U21 championships, Zohore bagged 5 goals & 3 assists for us & 2 goals & 1 assist in his only start for Denmark. In my mind this paints a more accurate picture of Zohore's overall contribution at the back end of the season.
We also need to bear in mind that last season he was being asked to play a very difficult role for us, often alone up front without a great deal of support. Warnock has clearly identified this as an issue & his transfer dealings in the Summer have included a strategy to fix this, particularly with the signings of Tomlin & Ward.
There are players who went for big money last season with limited championship experience & success e.g. Scott Hogan was sold for a reported £15m after 21 championship goals in 1.5 seasons & the market has moved upwards since then.
At the end of the day Zohore is worth what another club is willing to pay & for once we seem to be holding a lot of the cards as Warnock does not have to sell & Zohore is under contract & seemingly happy here. On that basis if someone wants to buy him then they are going to have to pay a lot of money for him, which appears to be well in excess of £10m. Personally I hope that he stays as I think that he could have an even better season for us & if so his value will only increase further.
The problem is if he starts hot and a prem side come in for him at an inflated price we will than need a replacement and we will then be in the same position as other clubs ,trying to find aplayer in the last days of the window.
Swhoever we want, his price will go up, and then knowing how much we got forZahore and that we are now the deperate club the price will go up again.
The whole point of Colin (Yeah I know 'our neil') getting in early was exactly to avoid that.
And if he deos go somewhere and falls flat who is to say he ouldn't have been great here with Colin mentoring him?
The problem is if he starts hot and a prem side come in for him at an inflated price we will than need a replacement and we will then be in the same position as other clubs ,trying to find a player in the last days of the window.
So whoever we want, his price will go up, and then knowing how much we got forZahore and that we are now the deperate club the price will go up again.
The whole point of Colin (Yeah I know 'our neil') getting in early was exactly to avoid that.
And if he deos go somewhere and falls flat who is to say he ouldn't have been great here with Colin mentoring him?
Evening Dave
I think a lot of the bits of my response have already been written but I'll add that I was looking at what he was worth to us as a club in terms of the reason that fans come to games - to be excited. Selling Zohore at this moment in time would be a PR disaster if we did not get a fee for him that the fans could understand why we sold him.
For the first time in a few seasons we have a player who seems to have the 'X' factor as Malky described it. Add in the potential that Tomlin also has to do the unexpected and you have a team that are worth going to watch from an entertainment viewpoint.
Zohore could well be bloody useless this season, though I would be surprised if he was, but it is just the possibility that we could be about to watch something very special this season that has got everyone looking forward to kick-off.
What is that worth to us as a club? I think it's priceless but, if pushed, then I'd say in the current market that a player with his recent record, including 2 goals and 2 assists in one U-21 International match, is worth about that for say a club who perhaps won't attract the more established names and has to take a gamble.
Do I think that is sensible money? No - but if you are desperate and need to gamble then I'd think you could convince yourself it was based on what he has done in the last 6 months.
I can't help but think that many are in for big disappointment and a reality check in the coming months.
Of course in a perfect storm situation we could win the division but all things being equal then a similar finish to last season is on the cards.
We're supporters, I get that, but blind optimism is futile and not for me and right NOW KZ is not a £10m player, Colin is not Pep Guardiola and we're unlikely to make the play offs.
I very much doubt he did. The Nottingham papers reported: "It is not clear exactly how much of the fee Forest will receive up front and how much will be formed as part of potential future add-ons, but it is believed that the initial payment will be an eight-figure sum of at least £10m."
Peterborough also apparently had a significant sell-on clause in his contract, so that will have bumped up his price a little.
The transfer market has been 'potty' for quite some time. Nevertheless, I don't believe any club would pay the sort of figures being bandied about in this thread for a player with Zohore's background. If he has a good season in 2017/18, or even a decent five months leading up to the January window, then maybe someone will move in with a bid of £10 million or more, but as things stand, and although I may well be wrong, I just can't see it. Can you?
It would be interesting to know what, if anything, Hull actually did bid for Zohore. That may help to give us a better idea of what sort of figures are realistic for him at this stage. It's almost impossible to judge because very rarely has anyone gone from looking like a glorified parks player to one who has Premier League potential in such a short space of time, but that will undoubtedly be something that any potential bidder will have in mind.
The guy went from zero to hero in under 6 secs , he has great potential and a bit of pedigree , great things had been expected of him previously but he had began to look like another footballer who was going to let it all slip away . Apparently he was in the last chance saloon with NW , fortunately he took the chance . He is one of those players who can do something special , make the entrance money worth while .
We will get 10 million for him and he has the potential to go on and be an even more expensive player if he continues to play at the top of his game .
And no I didn't always feel he was going to make it .