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Yet More Labour budget cuts at the Senedd
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...unces-28314404
For the left leaning rag that is Walesonline to even bother reporting this is rare but ...
"Huge financial cuts across services in Wales are being announced today as the Welsh Government reveals details of its budget for 2024-25. The Welsh Government say this is the toughest financial situation faced since the start of devolution.
The Welsh Government has a budget of around £22bn with about 80% of that spent on the health service and councils. While it says it will protect the NHS and frontline council services, like schools and social care, they say as a result of inflation, Wales’ overall budget is worth £1.3bn less in real terms since it was set in 2021. There are some questions about that £1.3bn figure.
The Welsh Governance Centre says Welsh Government funding for 2024-25 is set to be worth nearly £800m less in real terms and including inflation in that figure means the loss is actually worth £1.5bn. There are challenges relating to things like pay increases. For example, higher-than-expected pay increaseshave added £300m-£400m to government and council pay bills and in the emergency budget, more money was given to the NHS and Transport for Wales"
This is after 2 years ago Drakeford forgot to spend 150,000,000 and had to give it back.
On Radio Wales 5 this morning they were talking about the devolved money etc - for every £100 spent on a person in England, Wales gets £115 and Northern Ireland gets £120
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Re: Yet More Labour budget cuts at the Senedd
Yet more budget cuts at the Senedd after UK Government slashes funding - just adding a bit of balance. Also, “left leaning rag”? :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Yet more budget cuts at the Senedd after UK Government slashes funding - just adding a bit of balance. Also, “left leaning rag”? :hehe:
I was channelling my inner Sludge mode. Dont worry Bob I realise it's all Thatcher's fault really.
However the article does say :-
"Higher-than-expected pay increases have added £300m-£400m to government and council pay bills and in the emergency budget, more money was given to the NHS and Transport for Wales.
"In February, the Welsh Government published indicative spending plans and since then, it has been given an additional £368m for day-to-day spending via Barnett consequentials"
For info - The Welsh Gov £23.5bn budget comes from
£18.6bn from the UK government
£3.5bn from Welsh rates of income tax
£1.1bn from business rates
£280bn from devolved taxes
You have to take off the 150,000,000 Drakeford forgot to spend...
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Originally Posted by
pipster
I was channelling my inner Sludge mode. Dont worry Bob I realise it's all Thatcher's fault really.
However the article does say :-
"Higher-than-expected pay increases have added £300m-£400m to government and council pay bills and in the emergency budget, more money was given to the NHS and Transport for Wales.
"In February, the Welsh Government published indicative spending plans and since then, it has been given an additional £368m for day-to-day spending via Barnett consequentials"
For info - The Welsh Gov £23.5bn budget comes from
£18.6bn from the UK government
£3.5bn from Welsh rates of income tax
£1.1bn from business rates
£280bn from devolved taxes
You have to take off the 150,000,000 Drakeford forgot to spend...
And you quote the Welsh Governance Centre as saying that there is an effective loss of £1.5 billion compared to last year - under the circumstances, there has to be cuts of some sort somewhere.
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Originally Posted by
pipster
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...unces-28314404
For the left leaning rag that is Walesonline to even bother reporting this is rare but ...
"Huge financial cuts across services in Wales are being announced today as the Welsh Government reveals details of its budget for 2024-25. The Welsh Government say this is the toughest financial situation faced since the start of devolution.
The Welsh Government has a budget of around £22bn with about 80% of that spent on the health service and councils. While it says it will protect the NHS and frontline council services, like schools and social care, they say as a result of inflation, Wales’ overall budget is worth £1.3bn less in real terms since it was set in 2021. There are some questions about that £1.3bn figure.
The Welsh Governance Centre says Welsh Government funding for 2024-25 is set to be worth nearly £800m less in real terms and including inflation in that figure means the loss is actually worth £1.5bn. There are challenges relating to things like pay increases. For example, higher-than-expected pay increaseshave added £300m-£400m to government and council pay bills and in the emergency budget, more money was given to the NHS and Transport for Wales"
This is after 2 years ago Drakeford forgot to spend 150,000,000 and had to give it back.
On Radio Wales 5 this morning they were talking about the devolved money etc - for every £100 spent on a person in England, Wales gets £115 and Northern Ireland gets £120
You people vote for budget cuts with the tories then whinge when budget cuts actually happen!
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
You people vote for budget cuts with the tories then whinge when budget cuts actually happen!
Cool story bro - but to be honest you sound like a bigoted old drunk with a chip on your shoulder, that is angry from dawn till dusk.
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
You people vote for budget cuts with the tories then whinge when budget cuts actually happen!
We want low taxes !
The bus service is crap
Well there you go then
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Originally Posted by
pipster
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...unces-28314404
For the left leaning rag that is Walesonline to even bother reporting this is rare but ...
"Huge financial cuts across services in Wales are being announced today as the Welsh Government reveals details of its budget for 2024-25. The Welsh Government say this is the toughest financial situation faced since the start of devolution.
The Welsh Government has a budget of around £22bn with about 80% of that spent on the health service and councils. While it says it will protect the NHS and frontline council services, like schools and social care, they say as a result of inflation, Wales’ overall budget is worth £1.3bn less in real terms since it was set in 2021. There are some questions about that £1.3bn figure.
The Welsh Governance Centre says Welsh Government funding for 2024-25 is set to be worth nearly £800m less in real terms and including inflation in that figure means the loss is actually worth £1.5bn. There are challenges relating to things like pay increases. For example, higher-than-expected pay increaseshave added £300m-£400m to government and council pay bills and in the emergency budget, more money was given to the NHS and Transport for Wales"
This is after 2 years ago Drakeford forgot to spend 150,000,000 and had to give it back.
On Radio Wales 5 this morning they were talking about the devolved money etc - for every £100 spent on a person in England, Wales gets £115 and Northern Ireland gets £120
Wales and Northern Ireland are economically deprived areas compared to your glorious motherland so obviously they are going to get more funding
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Originally Posted by
pipster
Cool story bro - but to be honest you sound like a bigoted old drunk with a chip on your shoulder, that is angry from dawn till dusk.
Do you not want people to reply to your thread then or what? It's likely I'm one of the youngest on this board.
But yeah typical tory, deflecting and not responding to what I said.
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We must cut costs !
We must use the private sector !
But now my wife has fallen down the stairs and need carers 4 times a day and we can only get 3 ! ........can I withdraw my support for conservative cuts to welfare and social services ? .......we didn't need them 2 years ago
No
Too late now
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It now says that its budget for next year is worth £1.3bn less in real spending power than when it was set three years ago, because of the impact of inflation BBC.
Mark Drakeford makes 'crisis' cuts to prop-up NHS and trains BBC Devolved power.
Junior doctors in Wales will strike in January after a huge majority voted for industrial action.A 72-hour full walkout will take place from 15 January over a pay dispute. Devolved power
Wales budget: Pubs and shops face tax hike to prop up NHS
Add to that the pisa education results, a welsh ambulance service that isnt fit for purpose, numerous special measures for hospitals, Cardiff and Vale which only has 11 ambulances and 2 para medic cars. The airport, the M4 relief , no more roads, 20 mph debacle - and it is becoming the shower of sh1t most knew he always was - just like the next one and the previous one. Keep the red flag flying boys - he would tax that as well if he could.
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Originally Posted by
pipster
If you voted for tory you voted for budget cuts which has caused every single issue above though... Why don't you get this?
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
If you voted for tory you voted for budget cuts which has caused every single issue above though... Why don't you get this?
Have a read of this and perhaps learn. Bit of advice though, keep the replies interesting, reasonable and offer an interesting discussion arguing against the points raised. There’s a good lad.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-Minister.html
Missed out on cash due to £150m returned to London, £100m wasted on Cardiff airport, £50m on 20mph, countless millions squandered on Gilestone farm, pressure groups
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Despite having the power to do so, the Senedd have yet to create their own income tax rates as Scotland have done. If ever there was a time to do it, it's now, but I don't think they've got the balls to do it.
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
If you voted for tory you voted for budget cuts which has caused every single issue above though... Why don't you get this?
Pipster a tory ?
Well I never
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Have a read of this and perhaps learn. Bit of advice though, keep the replies interesting, reasonable and offer an interesting discussion arguing against the points raised. There’s a good lad.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-Minister.html
Missed out on cash due to £150m returned to London, £100m wasted on Cardiff airport, £50m on 20mph, countless millions squandered on Gilestone farm, pressure groups
Let's say all of those are true. That Wales having an airport is a complete waste. All of those figures equal £300 million. This is absolute peanuts compared to the amount of wastage from Westminster on top of the cuts from austerity which has crippled a nation.
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Let's say all of those are true. That Wales having an airport is a complete waste. All of those figures equal £300 million. This is absolute peanuts compared to the amount of wastage from Westminster on top of the cuts from austerity which has crippled a nation.
Someone on the hard left complaining about waste
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
Someone on the hard left complaining about waste
What? How much has been added to the debt by the tories? £1.2 trillion?
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Originally Posted by
The Bloop
Despite having the power to do so, the Senedd have yet to create their own income tax rates as Scotland have done. If ever there was a time to do it, it's now, but I don't think they've got the balls to do it.
If they really had balls, they would cut taxes to encourage people who are gainfully employed to move here from the rest of the UK.
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
What? How much has been added to the debt by the tories? £1.2 trillion?
The left are famous for waste, one thing they do is waste.
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
The left are famous for waste, one thing they do is waste.
The Conservatives don't waste money ?
I am all ears
Fire away
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The Conservatives don't waste money ?
I am all ears
Fire away
Bigger government, bigger waste.
Labour = beaurocracy
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
Bigger government, bigger waste.
Labour = beaurocracy
Try and be specific that's just flapping
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Try and be specific that's just flapping
Ok last time in power, Labour ran a deficit during a boom period and broke their own budget rules. They had committee's for everything = Waste.
Do you honestly think a bigger government department wastes fewer £ than a private sector company ?
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
Ok last time in power, Labour ran a deficit during a boom period and broke their own budget rules. They had committee's for everything = Waste.
Do you honestly think a bigger government department wastes fewer £ than a private sector company ?
So what about the conservatives since 2010
They have spaffed billions against the wall
This idea that conservatives are good for the country's finances and labour are bad is full of holes
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
So what about the conservatives since 2010
They have spaffed billions against the wall
This idea that conservatives are good for the country's finances and labour are bad is full of holes
Lol You're flapping now Sludge. I wasn't talking about the economy per se. I'm talking about wastage in spending. Private companies waste far less and have more streamlined operations than a government department with the same budget. It's a no brainer. If we have a Labour government be prepared for a lot more beaurocratic waste.
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
Lol You're flapping now Sludge. I wasn't talking about the economy per se. I'm talking about wastage in spending. Private companies waste far less and have more streamlined operations than a government department with the same budget. It's a no brainer. If we have a Labour government be prepared for a lot more beaurocratic waste.
No
I want you to stick to the point
Governments by their very nature are prone to making mistakes and wasting money
It's got nothing to do with wether they are left or right wing
You were trying to make the tired old point that Labour means spend ......
And that's just not correct
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Could really do with that £5 billion Wales was robbed of from Wales paying towards Englands shiny new rail project... up the Union:cheerleader:
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“You were trying to make the tired old point that Labour means spend ......“
Which Labour does very well, great at spending other people’s money. What we are seeing today under sunak and sir starma is the same re run of major and blair
Labour come in and spunk the budget, I remember Ed balls and the great school rebuilding program, he wasted over 60% of the budget before a single brick had been laid. Then there was the nhs IT project (the biggest IT project in Europe at the time, 6 billion later and it had to be scrapped
I won’t include the Covid panic wastage as any govt would be panicking trying to find deep freezers to store vaccines and get their hands on ppe. I hope Mone goes to prison for that and pays it back.
At the Senedd drakefraud and co always talk of raising tax rather than doing something to encourage inward investment, and that is the difference in mindset, in my opinion
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Originally Posted by
pipster
“You were trying to make the tired old point that Labour means spend ......“
Which Labour does very well, great at spending other people’s money. What we are seeing today under sunak and sir starma is the same re run of major and blair
Labour come in and spunk the budget, I remember Ed balls and the great school rebuilding program, he wasted over 60% of the budget before a single brick had been laid. Then there was the nhs IT project (the biggest IT project in Europe at the time, 6 billion later and it had to be scrapped
I won’t include the Covid panic wastage as any govt would be panicking trying to find deep freezers to store vaccines and get their hands on ppe. I hope Mone goes to prison for that and pays it back.
At the Senedd drakefraud and co always talk of raising tax rather than doing something to encourage inward investment, and that is the difference in mindset, in my opinion
Drakefraud ?
You cannot be taken seriously
If Labour spend everybody else's money what do your bunch do ?
Spend their own ?
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
Ok last time in power, Labour ran a deficit during a boom period and broke their own budget rules. They had committee's for everything = Waste.
Do you honestly think a bigger government department wastes fewer £ than a private sector company ?
So let me get this right, Labour the last government to actually run at a surplus, where the economy was in a much better state = bad? Tories who have completely ruined the British economy with austerity, mass corruption, brexit and adding on over a trillion in debt = good?
Yeah public services are often run much more efficiently than private services, just check out the difference between US healthcare vs NHS. They spend about 2.5x per person more for worse outcomes and about 70 million people can't even access healthcare. They also spend far more on admin and bureaucracy which tories seem to froth at the mouth at than the NHS does.
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
So let me get this right, Labour the last government to actually run at a surplus, where the economy was in a much better state = bad? Tories who have completely ruined the British economy with austerity, mass corruption, brexit and adding on over a trillion in debt = good?
Yeah public services are often run much more efficiently than private services, just check out the difference between US healthcare vs NHS. They spend about 2.5x per person more for worse outcomes and about 70 million people can't even access healthcare. They also spend far more on admin and bureaucracy which tories seem to froth at the mouth at than the NHS does.
Oh dear, what a blinkered view. you're a hard left extremist Doucas. There's no reasoning with you
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
Bigger government, bigger waste.
Labour = beaurocracy
Sometimes fact is stranger than fiction (or opinion)! The last poster to spell bureaucracy that badly was Lither_1927
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5323296
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cyril evans awaydays
Must be a coincidence, mustn’t it?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
I'm not that poster, if that's what you're seriously claiming. I can't work out if you're just on a wind up or not.
Try discussing actual points made in a thread.
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
I'm not that poster, if that's what you're seriously claiming. I can't work out if you're just on a wind up or not.
Try discussing actual points made in a thread.
You have no chance in respect of the final sentence.
Don’t mention your kids or income though , he’s very bitter about successful people , so much so he convinces himself it cannot possibly be true.
Weird ****
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
Oh dear, what a blinkered view. you're a hard left extremist Doucas. There's no reasoning with you
So I provide you with evidence, you then avoid it altogether and spout this nonsense.
Why do all tories do this?!
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Originally Posted by
NinianOpinion1927
I'm not that poster, if that's what you're seriously claiming. I can't work out if you're just on a wind up or not.
Try discussing actual points made in a thread.
Like you did with your last pathetic response to Doucas? As a case study of lame and infantile deflection it was excellent. As a discussion of the actual points in his post - not!
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
You have no chance in respect of the final sentence.
Don’t mention your kids or income though , he’s very bitter about successful people , so much so he convinces himself it cannot possibly be true.
Weird ****
It's not the first name he's accused me of being. The otherday he said i was someone called the "native hipster"
I'm not sure why he does it, hardly contributes to anything else.
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Claiming the Conservatives "completely ruined the economy" is myopic nonesense. People like that can't be reasoned with