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Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.
He was a spy. A double agent apparently. That’s a serious bloody thing to be. He knew it was a huge risk surely.
His poor daughter presumably was collateral but we don’t know that.
I feel desperately for the innocent policeman that went to their aid. Praying for him.
More coverage on him would be appropriate. Not sure he even got a mention in the house today.
These spies are a legitimate target surely. What do they expect. A pat on the back.
In the Al Hilli case the wife turned out to be the more likely target in the final analysis. We are expected to believe the death of her former husband in the USA in a car crash on the same blinking day was a coincidence.
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You can't have legimate targets on your soil endangering other innocent folk who might be nearby , it's an attempted act of murder .
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We bring it on ourselves by allowing spies and former spies to live here.
The story that he was feeding the yanks info on the alleged Russian interference in the US election is interesteing. See the other thread here.
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AlwaysAway2
We bring it on ourselves by allowing spies and former spies to live here.
The story that he was feeding the yanks info on the alleged Russian interference in the US election is interesteing. See the other thread here.
I do get all that , its still a poor act that endangered poor innocents like the police officer.
Its worth considering that if it wasn't for spying /defections we might now be under Nazi rule, or Europe becoming a Soviet satellite , and many terrorist events may not have been halted in thier tracks going all the way back to the troubles in Ireland .
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Appears to be another obvious false flag. Why would the Russian state opt to attempt to murder someone in a haphazard, convoluted way with an ultra specialised nerve agent while knowing full well it would give a foreign government and controlled corporate media the opportunity to pump anti-Russian propaganda? It wouldn't. Same goes for why on earth would Syria lob poison gas on terrorist held areas when they're winning the conflict with conventional weapons.
Russia has the resources to bump off easy targets anywhere on the planet a thousand different ways. They wouldn't need to risk one of their agents to put a bullet in someone when they could sub it out to any number of assassins.
In the past 10 days Putin delivered a two-hour long State of the Union speech and gave a 90-minute long interview to an American TV network. In the first he revealed that they'd developed a range of hypersonic missiles capable of overcoming all defences. He stated that if Russia was attacked with a nuke he'd respond in kind - i.e. mutually assured destruction. In the TV interview he said some US elites wanted war with Russia but Trump is resisting them. He's been saying that some crazies think they can defeat Russia by launching a shock and awe type blitz; Putin's remarks suggest he'll end all life on earth. including those elites holed-up in DUMBs, as a deterrent.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Appears to be another obvious false flag. Why would the Russian state opt to attempt to murder someone in a haphazard, convoluted way with an ultra specialised nerve agent while knowing full well it would give a foreign government and controlled corporate media the opportunity to pump anti-Russian propaganda? It wouldn't. Same goes for why on earth would Syria lob poison gas on terrorist held areas when they're winning the conflict with conventional weapons.
Russia has the resources to bump off easy targets anywhere on the planet a thousand different ways. They wouldn't need to risk one of their agents to put a bullet in someone when they could sub it out to any number of assassins.
In the past 10 days Putin delivered a two-hour long State of the Union speech and gave a 90-minute long interview to an American TV network. In the first he revealed that they'd developed a range of hypersonic missiles capable of overcoming all defences. He stated that if Russia was attacked with a nuke he'd respond in kind - i.e. mutually assured destruction. In the TV interview he said some US elites wanted war with Russia but Trump is resisting them. He's been saying that some crazies think they can defeat Russia by launching a shock and awe type blitz; Putin's remarks suggest he'll end all life on earth. including those elites holed-up in DUMBs, as a deterrent.
Superb post. Reading it again.
Have to agree. No way would Russia have used nerve agent.
It’s been made to look like a Russian act.
No evidence here like there was in the Litvinyenko murder. Just suspicion.
Show me the evidence.
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Originally Posted by
AlwaysAway2
We bring it on ourselves by allowing spies and former spies to live here.
The story that he was feeding the yanks info on the alleged Russian interference in the US election is interesteing. See the other thread here.
Britain Accuses Russia of Poisoning—Trump Won't Agree
A normal White House would have rushed to its ally’s defense by now.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ato-uk/555407/
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Appears to be another obvious false flag. Why would the Russian state opt to attempt to murder someone in a haphazard, convoluted way with an ultra specialised nerve agent while knowing full well it would give a foreign government and controlled corporate media the opportunity to pump anti-Russian propaganda? It wouldn't. Same goes for why on earth would Syria lob poison gas on terrorist held areas when they're winning the conflict with conventional weapons.
Russia has the resources to bump off easy targets anywhere on the planet a thousand different ways. They wouldn't need to risk one of their agents to put a bullet in someone when they could sub it out to any number of assassins.
In the past 10 days Putin delivered a two-hour long State of the Union speech and gave a 90-minute long interview to an American TV network. In the first he revealed that they'd developed a range of hypersonic missiles capable of overcoming all defences. He stated that if Russia was attacked with a nuke he'd respond in kind - i.e. mutually assured destruction. In the TV interview he said some US elites wanted war with Russia but Trump is resisting them. He's been saying that some crazies think they can defeat Russia by launching a shock and awe type blitz; Putin's remarks suggest he'll end all life on earth. including those elites holed-up in DUMBs, as a deterrent.
It is an obvious inside job. When they searched the house of this rotten spy they probably found a vial of poison labelled "Property of Mr. Putin c/o Kremlin". We have the most clueless electorate in the world. Some of the idiots I talk to even believe the Russians did it.
Forty years ago journalists like the Times Insight Team would have been all over this. They all know the story has more holes than a Swiss cheese. But today the UK media are completely controlled by the evil elite. Journalists are just writing about how we should punish Putin rather than looking for evidence. The twisted underpants vicar who represents Rhondda is now calling for RT to be banned. Can you just imagine the sordid info Mossad has on that weirdo? They don't even have to buy him off.
This is all about Israel. The Labour MPs who are saying Corbyn is soft on Russia all have links to Israel.
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https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eX-UEPHDh...i91-705582.png
Looks like the PM & HS have had a few sleepless nights?
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Wales-Bales
least they are saying something , dont think its good behavior to smile whilst chatting about nerve agents and potential death ,what's JC's view ,hes allegedly is a bit closer to the east ?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Appears to be another obvious false flag. Why would the Russian state opt to attempt to murder someone in a haphazard, convoluted way with an ultra specialised nerve agent while knowing full well it would give a foreign government and controlled corporate media the opportunity to pump anti-Russian propaganda? It wouldn't. Same goes for why on earth would Syria lob poison gas on terrorist held areas when they're winning the conflict with conventional weapons.
Russia has the resources to bump off easy targets anywhere on the planet a thousand different ways. They wouldn't need to risk one of their agents to put a bullet in someone when they could sub it out to any number of assassins.
In the past 10 days Putin delivered a two-hour long State of the Union speech and gave a 90-minute long interview to an American TV network. In the first he revealed that they'd developed a range of hypersonic missiles capable of overcoming all defences. He stated that if Russia was attacked with a nuke he'd respond in kind - i.e. mutually assured destruction. In the TV interview he said some US elites wanted war with Russia but Trump is resisting them. He's been saying that some crazies think they can defeat Russia by launching a shock and awe type blitz; Putin's remarks suggest he'll end all life on earth. including those elites holed-up in DUMBs, as a deterrent.
14 false flags and counting
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What on earth are we playing at? Poke Russia, they give us the finger, all our 'allies' are temporarily MIA and we have to back down. The Tories have already made it clear that they won't do the one thing at their disposal - kick dodgy Russian money out of London. So where does this go?
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Mambo
The beloved guardian says it was the Russians what did it -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live
John Mao McDonnell says Labour MP's should not talk to Russia Today, Jezza Corbynski slaps him down for that though
here. While Jezza took the political opportunity to blame Russian oligachs for donating funds to the conservative party
Russian ambassador says when Russia / USSR broke up - any number of states could have taken that material and now using it against them (urm.. not sure on that one myself)
Meanwhile Tom Watson is wondering whether to give back the 500,000 spanking donation from Max Mosely even after a newspaper ran a story that he appeared to be anti semitic , attending anti Jewish demos etc back in the 1960's.
Yet another week in the weird and wonderful world of british politics
You appear to be only talking about one party :shrug:
I'm shocked because you are normally so balanced Mambo :hehe: (Aren't you meant to at least throw in the token criticism of another party just to prove your objectivity?)
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Eric Cartman
You appear to be only talking about one party :shrug:
I'm shocked because you are normally so balanced Mambo :hehe: (Aren't you meant to at least throw in the token criticism of another party just to prove your objectivity?)
There's very little balance on yer.
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life on mars
There's very little balance on yer.
In English?
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Mambo
I thought I had here - "Russian oligachs for donating funds to the conservative party" ,
Yeah,
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John Mao McDonnell says Labour MP's should not talk to Russia Today, Jezza Corbynski slaps him down for that though here. While Jezza took the political opportunity to blame Russian oligachs for donating funds to the conservative party
You are clearly making a point about the conservative party here :hehe:
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Not all Russian Oligachs are mates with Putin though, or work for the Russian Secret service.
Those ones that aren't tend to get strangled...
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I forgot to add - you need to add your voting history - for the last 25 years or so.
That would be tricky.
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The deadline is looming...
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Mambo
From the age of 18, whats your voting record, candidate and party (and why?)
I honestly don't actually remember. It is practically irrelevant as my seat is the definition of a safe Tory seat. I think labour got within 5000 in 97. I have voted green and labour depending on what is going on in the local area and who is a bit of a nob.
Quite predictable I guess. Is this the bit you tell me you have voted for every major party? I don't really see that as a badge of honour, either you are voting based on whichever party best serves your interests at that time (which is a selfish) or you don't even know yourself what you believe is the correct approach to fundamental issues.
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I bet the PM is waiting on your opinion Eric as to what she does next.....
Well it's either nuclear war, an embarrassing climb down or something actually worthwhile that might cost us some blood money.
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A subject like this should cross party poltics, and be looked at objectively , will it , nah , someone is placing our citizens in danger and I think the majority of folk know, who has history in this matter .
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The current political climate has a lot to do with the chancing of the arm by Russia.
How are the U.K. supposed to respond ? Weve got no status on the world stage. We’ve fallen out with the EU, Trump makes a few token gestures but he respects and believes Nigel Farage more then Theresa May.
Let’s face it we’rve haven’t been so vulnerable for a long time and it’s only going to get worse.
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The current political climate is sat had a lot to do with the chancing of the arm by Rissia.
How in the U.K. are supposed to respond ? We’ve fallen out wit the eh EU, Trump makes a few token gestures but he respects and believes Nigel Farage more then Theresa May.
Let’s face it we’rve haven’t been so vulnerable for a long time and it’s only going to get worse.
The EU comes to the rescue in our hour of need and we all live happily ever after?
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Wales-Bales
The EU comes to the rescue in our hour of need and we all live happily ever after?
Nice thought, doubtful though eh 😃
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CardiffIrish2
The current political climate has a lot to do with the chancing of the arm by Russia.
How are the U.K. supposed to respond ? Weve got no status on the world stage. We’ve fallen out with the EU, Trump makes a few token gestures but he respects and believes Nigel Farage more then Theresa May.
Let’s face it we’rve haven’t been so vulnerable for a long time and it’s only going to get worse.
You even get politicians appearing on some UK based Russian television , imagine that happening in the great suppressed democracies of Russia,Syria and Iran ,at least the evil USA ,Israel and UK allows some freedoms and tolerances.
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life on mars
You even get politicians appearing on some UK based Russian television , imagine that happening in the great suppressed democracies of Russia,Syria and Iran ,at least the evil USA ,Israel and UK allows some freedoms and tolerances.
I’m not crowing that we appear to be diminished on the world stage,and I’m not calling the UK, USA or Israel (although they need to improve their treatment of the Palestinians) evil
Just stating what I see, a country more vulnerable then in a long time. I will state t again I blame the Tories for this farcical
EU Brexit process which I think makes us more succeptible to foriegn attacks .
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life on mars
You even get politicians appearing on some UK based Russian television , imagine that happening in the great suppressed democracies of Russia,Syria and Iran ,at least the evil USA ,Israel and UK allows some freedoms and tolerances.
Have you missed the bit where Obama and Clinton were using state intelligence agencies to spy on political opponents and stitch them up, and the media are in on it?
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Mambo
Eric - so you are a Labour voter - so you are about as unbiased in your comments as Ken Livingston in an anti Semite debate.
I was a Labour voter - Foot, Kinnock, Blair - then I started my own business and realised how the world really works. Conservative / Lib (and once Plaid) ever since.
All the Labour stuff is great - until you realise unless you have an economy you cant do feck all. Since 2007 weve been trying to recover slowly from the mess (I dont think trickle down worked - but there again neither did massive PFI spending from your side).
Anyway we are talking about Russia, There is not a lot May can do, but Corbyns response has been condemned from all sides.
Maybe we should settle it with a pub quiz between Putin and May ?
See this is where the argument becomes hysterical. I am not a labour voter, I am somebody who holds a few fundamental opinions and these align better with the Labour party at the moment than anyone else.
Corbyn is one of the few people in the house who has a pretty good record when it comes to voting against foreign policy disasters. The idea that the opposition shouldnt oppose when it comes to issues like this doesn't bear scrutiny, when the two major parties agree on foreign policy it is usually a disaster.
The one major win we can have against Russia is ****ing with their cash, I don't think it is beyond the pale to ask why some of that cash is still flowing into cchq?
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I am not saying confiscate the assets of every Russian in London. I am saying hit Putin where it hurts even if it hurts us a little bit too.
For all the sabre rattling, I doubt Putin is really bothered by anything that was said today so what was the point? To show off?
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The Mail reports that Corbyn in under attack from three members of his own party after he failed to blame Russia for the Salisbury false flag op. The three members are John Woodcock, chair of Labour Friends of Israel, Underpants Vicar, vice-chair of Labour Friends of Israel, and Pat McFadden, former Blair right hand man and member of Labour Friends of Israel. Those boys are certainly working hard for their paymaster.
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David Vincent
The Mail reports that Corbyn in under attack from three members of his own party after he failed to blame Russia for the Salisbury false flag op. The three members are John Woodcock, chair of Labour Friends of Israel, Underpants Vicar, vice-chair of Labour Friends of Israel, and Pat McFadden, former Blair right hand man and member of Labour Friends of Israel. Those boys are certainly working hard for their paymaster.
And this one's working overtime for the same interests.
http://media.breitbart.com/media/201...el-640x480.jpg
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Eric Cartman
I am not saying confiscate the assets of every Russian in London. I am saying hit Putin where it hurts even if it hurts us a little bit too.
For all the sabre rattling, I doubt Putin is really bothered by anything that was said today so what was the point? To show off?
If you haven't yet, listen to a podcast with Bill Browder talking about the Magnitsky Act (he's done a few). That's all about freezing out the oligarchs with the knock on effect of massively impacting Putin's own fortunes.
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lardy
If you haven't yet, listen to a podcast with Bill Browder talking about the Magnitsky Act (he's done a few). That's all about freezing out the oligarchs with the knock on effect of massively impacting Putin's own fortunes.
I've heard that name before. Fusion GPS? Isn't he on the run or something?
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CardiffIrish2
I’m not crowing that we appear to be diminished on the world stage,and I’m not calling the UK, USA or Israel (although they need to improve their treatment of the Palestinians) evil
Just stating what I see, a country more vulnerable then in a long time. I will state t again I blame the Tories for this farcical
EU Brexit process which I think makes us more susceptible to foreign attacks .
Your right about the reason for Brexit , and what that brings , however it was also the people of the country and the lack of cross party unity that has us where we are now , its was not just a Tory problem , having listened to the French , Germans response to this nerve agent issue and the UK response does leave me wondering if they have any balls as a collective
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Organ Morgan.
bet you look hard enough you could find another picture with other leaders sitting under strange anti western allegiances and potential bad boys
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Wales-Bales
I've heard that name before. Fusion GPS? Isn't he on the run or something?
He's constantly speaking to governments to get the Magnitsky Act in as many countries as he can and appearing in as much media as he can to spread the word, so no I don't think he's 'on the run'.
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lardy
He's constantly speaking to governments to get the Magnitsky Act in as many countries as he can and appearing in as much media as he can to spread the word, so no I don't think he's 'on the run'.
On the run from Russia, something to do with multiple shell companies. Or maybe it is somebody else.
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Wales-Bales
On the run from Russia, something to do with multiple shell companies. Or maybe it is somebody else.
On the run suggests he's hiding, what he's actually doing is trying to stop the Russian oligarchs from spending their ill-gotten billions in as many countries as he can.
Didn't Trump's son meet a Russian lawyer to chat about the Magnitsky Act?
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lardy
On the run suggests he's hiding, what he's actually doing is trying to stop the Russian oligarchs from spending their ill-gotten billions in as many countries as he can.
Didn't Trump's son meet a Russian lawyer to chat about the Magnitsky Act?
You mean those Fusion GPS operatives posing as Russian Lawyers? What was the Browder connection with Fusion GPS? All these shenanigans are enough to give anyone a headache. I hope they get a second special council looking into all of this ASAP, so that they can clear things up. Catch the wrongdoers and exonerate the innocent.
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David Vincent
The Mail reports that Corbyn in under attack from three members of his own party after he failed to blame Russia for the Salisbury false flag op. The three members are John Woodcock, chair of Labour Friends of Israel, Underpants Vicar, vice-chair of Labour Friends of Israel, and Pat McFadden, former Blair right hand man and member of Labour Friends of Israel. Those boys are certainly working hard for their paymaster.
This is the battle ground , unfortunately JC has let them in , his quietness on all things Russian doesn't help him , a little critism of a country who flaunt democracy, support dubious countries, suppress free speech jail political opponent's, annex countries , belittle minorities, spend more on military hardware than their own impoverished poor, run state controlled media outlets, LGBT face big legal social challenges ,feminism rights , hey they even send bands to jail for protesting . What's the view or comment on this things is what I would like from a modern front bench opposition , it's nly right and okay to challenge the West, however they are not the only problem and a fair balance of critism is needed ?