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Merge in turn? No way pal!
This gets on my tits more than anything on the road. Why are people such arseholes? You get two lanes going into one, and of course the idea is that each car leaves enough room for another to get in, whether from the the left or right. Some understand this but unfortunately many people are so aggressive and territorial that they will purposely drive as close as possible to the car in front so that no one can get in, as this may make them potentially a half a second later than they were.
Are we all supposed to drive in just the one lane (usually the left) leaving the other one empty?
This is a particular pain in the arse on dual carriageways when one lane is signed as being closed in 2 miles, so everyone quickly gets over to the left, creating a queue twice as long as it needs to be, snarling up roundabouts and junctions behind.
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Re: Merge in turn? No way pal!
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Originally Posted by
Barry Shitpeas
This gets on my tits more than anything on the road. Why are people such arseholes? You get two lanes going into one, and of course the idea is that each car leaves enough room for another to get in, whether from the the left or right. Some understand this but unfortunately many people are so aggressive and territorial that they will purposely drive as close as possible to the car in front so that no one can get in, as this may make them potentially a half a second later than they were.
Are we all supposed to drive in just the one lane (usually the left) leaving the other one empty?
This is a particular pain in the arse on dual carriageways when one lane is signed as being closed in 2 miles, so everyone quickly gets over to the left, creating a queue twice as long as it needs to be, snarling up roundabouts and junctions behind.
You don't drive through Caerphilly between five and seven any week night by chance:hehe:
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Re: Merge in turn? No way pal!
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Originally Posted by
Barry Shitpeas
This gets on my tits more than anything on the road. Why are people such arseholes? You get two lanes going into one, and of course the idea is that each car leaves enough room for another to get in, whether from the the left or right. Some understand this but unfortunately many people are so aggressive and territorial that they will purposely drive as close as possible to the car in front so that no one can get in, as this may make them potentially a half a second later than they were.
Are we all supposed to drive in just the one lane (usually the left) leaving the other one empty?
This is a particular pain in the arse on dual carriageways when one lane is signed as being closed in 2 miles, so everyone quickly gets over to the left, creating a queue twice as long as it needs to be, snarling up roundabouts and junctions behind.
Add in the people that decide to try and block the outside lane so that people can't (correctly) drive in both lanes until the end and then merge.
They don't half get the hump if you manage to squeeze past them.
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Originally Posted by
itkman
Add in the people that decide to try and block the outside lane so that people can't (correctly) drive in both lanes until the end and then merge.
They don't half get the hump if you manage to squeeze past them.
That's the problem. Most people are thick. If you drive past them they think you are cheating and then they will try and block you.
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Originally Posted by
itkman
Add in the people that decide to try and block the outside lane so that people can't (correctly) drive in both lanes until the end and then merge.
They don't half get the hump if you manage to squeeze past them.
Lorry drivers block lanes and have a 100% success rate
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Originally Posted by
David Vincent
That's the problem. Most people are thick. If you drive past them they think you are cheating and then they will try and block you.
And they are right.
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Stupid British people. It's in your DNA to queue.
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Originally Posted by
Ring_Peace
Stupid British people. It's in your DNA to queue.
Don't get me started on queuing. It's got it's place but queuing at the entrance to a petrol station forecourt making everyone else queue out into the road when there are spare pumps you could be using is really booody annoying. But worse than this, is this bizarre new thing that's started occurring over the last few years of people queuing in line at the bar in pubs. Hangings too good for em I tells ya.
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Junction for Llantrisant Road heading into Llandaff by Cathedral School is the worst.
Had a few issues there, which is mad as I'm pretty fair and don't try to jump my place. One old tart in a flashy BMW had the right hump as I didn't let her in even though I let the car in in front of her then took my turn.
Another bloke was so annoyed at losing a place I thought he was going to cry.
Crazy
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Re: Merge in turn? No way pal!
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Originally Posted by
Barry Shitpeas
This gets on my tits more than anything on the road. Why are people such arseholes? You get two lanes going into one, and of course the idea is that each car leaves enough room for another to get in, whether from the the left or right. Some understand this but unfortunately many people are so aggressive and territorial that they will purposely drive as close as possible to the car in front so that no one can get in, as this may make them potentially a half a second later than they were.
Are we all supposed to drive in just the one lane (usually the left) leaving the other one empty?
This is a particular pain in the arse on dual carriageways when one lane is signed as being closed in 2 miles, so everyone quickly gets over to the left, creating a queue twice as long as it needs to be, snarling up roundabouts and junctions behind.
Whilst I fully agree with your position it matters not if the queue begins at the point of convergence or two miles before it because the flow of cars through the single lane will be the same.
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Originally Posted by
TISS
Whilst I fully agree with your position it matters not if the queue begins at the point of convergence or two miles before it because the flow of cars through the single lane will be the same.
But the queuing will therefore go back further. And in the case of city roads cause junctions to be unnecessarily blocked.
Penarth Road going west from central station is a prime example of this, you get people trying to block the lane from by the station, causing traffic to build up round callaghan square.
There are less accidents and traffic flows smoother if you merge right at the end, not half a mile before, or in the case of motorways several miles before.
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Originally Posted by
Barry Dragon
But the queuing will therefore go back further. And in the case of city roads cause junctions to be unnecessarily blocked.
Penarth Road going west from central station is a prime example of this, you get people trying to block the lane from by the station, causing traffic to build up round callaghan square.
There are less accidents and traffic flows smoother if you merge right at the end, not half a mile before, or in the case of motorways several miles before.
So you're doing a public service by flying by the queue of people who have waited their turn in line and then expecting to cut in at the last minute? There I was thinking that type were the ones taking the piss where all along you were worried about clogging up junctions behind you and not saving time queueing yourself
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Originally Posted by
Rhiw-Blue
So you're doing a public service by flying by the queue of people who have waited their turn in line and then expecting to cut in at the last minute? There I was thinking that type were the ones taking the piss where all along you were worried about clogging up junctions behind you and not saving time queueing yourself
My thoughts exactly.
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Originally Posted by
Rhiw-Blue
So you're doing a public service by flying by the queue of people who have waited their turn in line and then expecting to cut in at the last minute? There I was thinking that type were the ones taking the piss where all along you were worried about clogging up junctions behind you and not saving time queueing yourself
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
My thoughts exactly.
Seconded :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
Rhiw-Blue
So you're doing a public service by flying by the queue of people who have waited their turn in line and then expecting to cut in at the last minute? There I was thinking that type were the ones taking the piss where all along you were worried about clogging up junctions behind you and not saving time queueing yourself
But that's how it's supposed to work.
Do people really that pathetic to get wound up about someone getting in front of them in a queue when driving, people need to chill out.
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I think people flying to the final point to cut in is why people do this.
Bottom of the barrel scum!.
Best way to avoid is to plonk your car inbetween the lanes. I did this once and I don't think I have ever seen a more angry person in the car trying to pass. I wouldn't advise doing it.
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Originally Posted by
Rhiw-Blue
So you're doing a public service by flying by the queue of people who have waited their turn in line and then expecting to cut in at the last minute? There I was thinking that type were the ones taking the piss where all along you were worried about clogging up junctions behind you and not saving time queueing yourself
Jumping the queue? I am joining a queue, a queue people have for what must be completely irrational reasons decided not to join. And yes it does cause junctions to be blocked. Such setups in the city are there for a reason, that is to allow traffic to queue where there is not a junction to block.
So yes you are the one being inconsiderate by not using both lanes and causing backup of traffic behind you. Causing delays to other people's journeys. By joining the queue in both junctions it saves everyone time, apart from those that decide to not use both lanes.
That is how it is designed, so use it properly. Don't cause backup of traffic.
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Originally Posted by
Barry Dragon
Jumping the queue? I am joining a queue, a queue people have for what must be completely irrational reasons decided not to join. And yes it does cause junctions to be blocked. Such setups in the city are there for a reason, that is to allow traffic to queue where there is not a junction to block.
So yes you are the one being inconsiderate by not using both lanes and causing backup of traffic behind you. Causing delays to other people's journeys. By joining the queue in both junctions it saves everyone time, apart from those that decide to not use both lanes.
That is how it is designed, so use it properly. Don't cause backup of traffic.
I've no problem with people doing this, unless theyre in a beemer.
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Originally Posted by
Barry Dragon
Jumping the queue? I am joining a queue, a queue people have for what must be completely irrational reasons decided not to join. And yes it does cause junctions to be blocked. Such setups in the city are there for a reason, that is to allow traffic to queue where there is not a junction to block.
So yes you are the one being inconsiderate by not using both lanes and causing backup of traffic behind you. Causing delays to other people's journeys. By joining the queue in both junctions it saves everyone time, apart from those that decide to not use both lanes.
That is how it is designed, so use it properly. Don't cause backup of traffic.
So what if everyone does that?.
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Originally Posted by
LordKenwyne
So what if everyone does that?.
Then there are less queues. Traffic moves faster. People don't need to get angry that people jump the queue as they is nothing to jump, and people don't get angry by blocking lanes. Everything works properly.
That sounds good. Do it.
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Originally Posted by
Barry Dragon
Then there are less queues. Traffic moves faster. People don't need to get angry. Everything works properly.
That sounds good. Do it.
That'll be a worse queue though won't it?. As there will be more waiting to let people in. Rather than single file.
If I understand what you mean.
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Originally Posted by
Barry Dragon
Jumping the queue? I am joining a queue, a queue people have for what must be completely irrational reasons decided not to join. And yes it does cause junctions to be blocked. Such setups in the city are there for a reason, that is to allow traffic to queue where there is not a junction to block.
So yes you are the one being inconsiderate by not using both lanes and causing backup of traffic behind you. Causing delays to other people's journeys. By joining the queue in both junctions it saves everyone time, apart from those that decide to not use both lanes.
That is how it is designed, so use it properly. Don't cause backup of traffic.
How you could have possibly got I'm doing people a favour into your head is beyond me. You are queue jumping nothing more nothing less. You eventually have to get over to the left hand lane but your entitlement means you don't have to queue with all the rest. You just saunter down the right hand lane then cut in at the merge point.
Your lot are up there with people that take short cuts whilst leaving The CCS.
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Originally Posted by
LordKenwyne
That'll be a worse queue though won't it?. As there will be more waiting to let people in. Rather than single file.
If I understand what you mean.
No filtering in at one place rather than multiple places over the length of the queue is proven to be the most efficient way or merging.
By merging at all sorts of places this causes more backups and slower traffic flow. Quicker to all do it at one place. One placed at the end where you are meant to.
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Originally Posted by
Barry Dragon
No filtering in at one place rather than multiple places over the length of the queue is proven to be the most efficient way or merging.
By merging at all sorts of places this causes more backups and slower traffic flow. Quicker to all do it at one place. One placed at the end where you are meant to.
But, if everyone just joined the left hand queue earlier, they would not have to slow down to let queue jumpers in, so there would be less queuing as the left hand lane would move faster.
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Originally Posted by
Barry Dragon
No filtering in at one place rather than multiple places over the length of the queue is proven to be the most efficient way or merging.
By merging at all sorts of places this causes more backups and slower traffic flow. Quicker to all do it at one place. One placed at the end where you are meant to.
Despite the many views in this thread Barry Dragon's approach is the most sensible and if everyone simply joined the shortest queue then everyone would get there in their rightful turn.
Queue anxiety and anger is a real issue though and there are many aggressive drivers who don't help the debate
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Originally Posted by
Penarth Blues
Despite the many views in this thread Barry Dragon's approach is the most sensible and if everyone simply joined the shortest queue then everyone would get there in their rightful turn.
Queue anxiety and anger is a real issue though and there are many aggressive drivers who don't help the debate
It may be the most sensible, if people had their heart in the right place. But lets be honest if everyone thought that was the right thing to do we'd all be in the free lane.
Who decides who goes in which lane.
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Originally Posted by
insider
How you could have possibly got I'm doing people a favour into your head is beyond me. You are queue jumping nothing more nothing less. You eventually have to get over to the left hand lane but your entitlement means you don't have to queue with all the rest. You just saunter down the right hand lane then cut in at the merge point.
Your lot are up there with people that take short cuts whilst leaving The CCS.
Its not doing someone a favour, its not being that arsehole who causes a junction to be blocked. People dont seem to know the road exists behind them aswell as infront. By leaving half a mile of dual carriage road half empty do you honestly think that helps anyone other than your own satisfaction as queuing? Its doesnt. It under utlises the road, it casues you anger issues :biggrin: when people utilise the road effectively, or as you put it, queue jump. It causes traffic to not flow aswell as people jump in all over the place, which also causes more pollution. It can cause junctions to be blocked. And its actually less likely to cause an accident, as you know when they are merging in (at the end where you are supposed to).
This has all been proven by studies.
Just because you like to queue, we all do we are british, does not mean you should opt for queuing over using the roads as they are meant to be used.
I really dont understand how queuing is more important than:
- Traffic Flow
- Angers issues
- Accidents
- Pollution
- Congestion
- Effective queuing
If everyone used both lanes, guess what. We all queue nicely too. No queue jumping, and all the above.
It just makes sense. :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
But, if everyone just joined the left hand queue earlier, they would not have to slow down to let queue jumpers in, so there would be less queuing as the left hand lane would move faster.
But then the queue is twice as long as it needs to be, which means it's more likely to snake backwards and over junctions.
Barry is right, having everyone queuing separately and then filtering in one by one is the best and most efficient way. Unfortunately, not everyone does this and the ones on the left dont want to let the ones on the right in as they think they're queue jumping.
I guess Britain is a problem as drivers are generally courteous most of the time. In lots of other countries, it's every car for himself and this situation wouldn't occur as everyone will stay in their line to try to get to the front as quick as possible.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
But then the queue is twice as long as it needs to be, which means it's more likely to snake backwards and over junctions.
Barry is right, having everyone queuing separately and then filtering in one by one is the best and most efficient way. Unfortunately, not everyone does this and the ones on the left dont want to let the ones on the right in as they think they're queue jumping.
I guess Britain is a problem as drivers are generally courteous most of the time. In lots of other countries, it's every car for himself and this situation wouldn't occur as everyone will stay in their line to try to get to the front as quick as possible.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooosh :hehe::hehe:
Caught one. :hehe:
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Is there anything more British than a heated debate over queuing etiquette?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
But then the queue is twice as long as it needs to be, which means it's more likely to snake backwards and over junctions.
Barry is right, having everyone queuing separately and then filtering in one by one is the best and most efficient way. Unfortunately, not everyone does this and the ones on the left dont want to let the ones on the right in as they think they're queue jumping.
I guess Britain is a problem as drivers are generally courteous most of the time. In lots of other countries, it's every car for himself and this situation wouldn't occur as everyone will stay in their line to try to get to the front as quick as possible.
When there is no junction to cause danger I am sure these noble drivers will get in line.
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Originally Posted by
LordKenwyne
When there is no junction to cause danger I am sure these noble drivers will get in line.
How would a driver know how long the queue is from his position? He can't know whether the queue goes over a junction when he is at the back.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
How would a driver know how long the queue is from his position? He can't know whether the queue goes over a junction when he is at the back.
It is obvious you leave a wide gap at a junction.
99% of the people flying up the outside lane are just dicks.
You may find people like barry dragon with logic behind it but I'd guess that is the extreme minority.
Safety doesn't come in to it. Queuing to leave at a junction before a game, coming from Merthyr way, people fly in at the last second. The same mentality. Luckily they've made that one bit into one lane up the hill.
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Better make the most of this thread. Once we have driverless cars this will be a thing of the past. Enjoy it while you can.
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Originally Posted by
LordKenwyne
It is obvious you leave a wide gap at a junction.
99% of the people flying up the outside lane are just dicks.
You may find people like barry dragon with logic behind it but I'd guess that is the extreme minority.
Safety doesn't come in to it. Queuing to leave at a junction before a game, coming from Merthyr way, people fly in at the last second. The same mentality. Luckily they've made that one bit into one lane up the hill.
Who cares if some dick head does that, why do people let it get to them?
It's up there with people moaning about people parking on the street outside their terraced house with no parking.
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Originally Posted by
LordKenwyne
It is obvious you leave a wide gap at a junction.
99% of the people flying up the outside lane are just dicks.
You may find people like barry dragon with logic behind it but I'd guess that is the extreme minority.
Safety doesn't come in to it. Queuing to leave at a junction before a game, coming from Merthyr way, people fly in at the last second. The same mentality. Luckily they've made that one bit into one lane up the hill.
that is where the dislike of using the full lanes comes from. People jumping traffic by being in the wrong lane to join the queue at the front.
But when it is a merge in turn that is how it is meant to operate.
Separate the 2, as they are completely different. One is genuine queue jumping, and the other is using the road as intended.
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Seconded :thumbup:
Thirded :thumbup:
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Can we also have a moan about the people who, trundling along at less than 30, get into the outside lane of the A470 just after the Gabalfa flyover and then stay there in the 40 zone because they are turning right at Whitchurch golf course and are worried they might not get another chance to pull into the left lane before their turn.
Wankers.
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Originally Posted by
Barry Dragon
But the queuing will therefore go back further. And in the case of city roads cause junctions to be unnecessarily blocked.
Penarth Road going west from central station is a prime example of this, you get people trying to block the lane from by the station, causing traffic to build up round callaghan square.
There are less accidents and traffic flows smoother if you merge right at the end, not half a mile before, or in the case of motorways several miles before.
I don't disagree, but that's not what was first said
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
But that's how it's supposed to work.
Do people really that pathetic to get wound up about someone getting in front of them in a queue when driving, people need to chill out.
Agreed. It's amazing how many people get wound up if someone gets ahead of them or doesn't follow perceived etiquette.
Don't sweat the small stuff.