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Wizz pulling out of Cardiff Airport
Massive backward step for Wales but fits in to the WAG carbon zero narrative
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Interesting to note that Cardiff airport lags behind others in terms of recovery from the pandemic, but not surprising given that South Wales is one of the poorer areas in the UK. On the face of that report, can't really hold Wizz pulling out on the Welsh Government or the airport.
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Well that lasted a long time.
Have to be honest I didn't fly with them, or from Cardiff, so can't really complain
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I have flown wizz air, but not from Cardiff, they are pretty crap
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Interesting to note that Cardiff airport lags behind others in terms of recovery from the pandemic, but not surprising given that South Wales is one of the poorer areas in the UK. On the face of that report, can't really hold Wizz pulling out on the Welsh Government or the airport.
Everything is slower recovering from the Pandemic in Wales Drakeford wanted the longest lockdowns, restricting travel to holiday resorts, and banning the English, what would you possibly expect?
He's literally gifted Bristol airport and the cornish and Devonshire tourist trade, welsh customers, why hasn't the road network to the airport and into Wales improved, we are falling behind Bristol at record speed.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I have flown wizz air, but not from Cardiff, they are pretty crap
They were good pretty much the same as easy jet, but cheaper, it's a shambles most people would prefer to fly from Wales but there are hardly any flights, Bristol airport has left us for dust.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
They were good pretty much the same as easy jet, but cheaper, it's a shambles most people would prefer to fly from Wales but there are hardly any flights, Bristol airport has left us for dust.
the disparity with Bristol airport happened a long time before the Welsh government got involved
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I dropped my daughter to Bristol Airport last month
It cost me a fiver to drop her off plus I had to pay a clean air zone charge of £9 times two because I picked her up a week later
All a bit of racketeering if you ask me 💷
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Originally Posted by
Sunnysideup
I dropped my daughter to Bristol Airport last month
It cost me a fiver to drop her off plus I had to pay a clean air zone charge of £9 times two because I picked her up a week later
All a bit of racketeering if you ask me
In a word yes ….
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I initially supported the WG buying the airport and I think it may have closed without them doing that so I suppose it was the right decision.
But this is yet another example of how utterly incompetent they are. Is there anything they have excelled at? Clealy airlines don't think much of them. I suspect they are slow, don't understand the market, take too long to make investment decisions and run it in a political as opposed to commercial manner.
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my Uncle flys from Cardiff to Spain once a month, he loves wiz air, so does the travel agent in Barry he books with, last trip was £270, I looked online and it was £80 :shrug:
he will be gutted, as he refuses to give Bristol any of his money
I found it interesting that a carry on on wiz air was just a handbag size, you had to pay for a cabin case, then a checked hold luggage was even more
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I initially supported the WG buying the airport and I think it may have closed without them doing that so I suppose it was the right decision.
But this is yet another example of how utterly incompetent they are. Is there anything they have excelled at? Clealy airlines don't think much of them. I suspect they are slow, don't understand the market, take too long to make investment decisions and run it in a political as opposed to commercial manner.
they've been doing ok, it would certainly have closed by now if they hadn't stepped in, and numbers were making steady progress but it was always going to be badly affected by COVID and the current financial situation.
yes there are plenty of more ambitious things they could have done with it, but until you've seen them properly coated out it's hard to say how feasible they are really.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Everything is slower recovering from the Pandemic in Wales Drakeford wanted the longest lockdowns, restricting travel to holiday resorts, and banning the English, what would you possibly expect?
What's that got to do with anything? Is your life filled with ways of blaming absolutely everything on Drakeford?
South Wales is one of the poorest areas of the UK. Of course things will take longer to recover as people have less money here.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
What's that got to do with anything? Is your life filled with ways of blaming absolutely everything on Drakeford?
South Wales is one of the poorest areas of the UK. Of course things will take longer to recover as people have less money here.
At least it gives Harry a day off 🤣
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
my Uncle flys from Cardiff to Spain once a month, he loves wiz air, so does the travel agent in Barry he books with, last trip was £270, I looked online and it was £80 :shrug:
he will be gutted, as he refuses to give Bristol any of his money
I found it interesting that a carry on on wiz air was just a handbag size, you had to pay for a cabin case, then a checked hold luggage was even more
Ryanair and Easyjet operate the same system these days: a small carry-on (Ooh er, missus) suitcase can cost as much as the passenger.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
they've been doing ok, it would certainly have closed by now if they hadn't stepped in, and numbers were making steady progress but it was always going to be badly affected by COVID and the current financial situation.
yes there are plenty of more ambitious things they could have done with it, but until you've seen them properly coated out it's hard to say how feasible they are really.
I agree. They were making slow progress, but aren't now. I suspect they offered sweeteners to airlines but haven't shown how to sustain it or grow the airport properly.
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JamesWales
I agree. They were making slow progress, but aren't now. I suspect they offered sweeteners to airlines but haven't shown how to sustain it or grow the airport properly.
I suspect we were making progress before COVID and a war in Europe ****ed everything up.
because we were starting from a smaller base than other airports it is always going to hit us harder, as economies of scale are everything to airports
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The Welsh Government impose taxes or charges for planes to land at Cardiff.
Michael O’Leary of Ryanair has been calling for these taxes to be scrapped in order to make the routes viable.
Scrapping these charges to entice a big airline with dozens of routes would make for more revenue/higher footfall
I had to pick colleague’s up flying in from Rome for the 2016 Champions League Final
I can honestly say I’ve never seen so much air traffic at Cardiff
We can handle volume but it seems that the powers that be don’t want it??
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Originally Posted by
Sunnysideup
The Welsh Government impose taxes or charges for planes to land at Cardiff.
Michael O’Leary of Ryanair has been calling for these taxes to be scrapped in order to make the routes viable.
Scrapping these charges to entice a big airline with dozens of routes would make for more revenue/higher footfall
I had to pick colleague’s up flying in from Rome for the 2016 Champions League Final
I can honestly say I’ve never seen so much air traffic at Cardiff
We can handle volume but it seems that the powers that be don’t want it??
the Welsh government have been calling for the devolution of APD tax for years haven't they? I thought that Westminster keeps blocking it
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It isn't the Welsh government's fault that Cardiff Airport isn't successful
Basically local taffies are tight and want to save 50 quid by flying from Bristol
You could put an airport in someone's back garden in South Wales .....and let's be honest it is ......and they would still find something to moan about
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Not sure who exactly levy the tax Rjk
Wales or Westminster
All I know is that the same tax doesn’t apply over the bridge
Michael O’Leary was calling for it to be scrapped
It isn’t
Which is why it’s cheaper to fly from Bristol
If you factor in the cost of getting to Bristol Sludge along with the newly introduced’Clean air zone charge’ @£9 a day as well as the £5 drop off charge at the airport the prices even themselves out mate
I flew from Bristol recently (Tenerife) and have booked to fly from Cardiff in May
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Originally Posted by
Sunnysideup
Not sure who exactly levy the tax Rjk
Wales or Westminster
All I know is that the same tax doesn’t apply over the bridge
Michael O’Leary was calling for it to be scrapped
It isn’t
Which is why it’s cheaper to fly from Bristol
If you factor in the cost of getting to Bristol Sludge along with the newly introduced’Clean air zone charge’ @£9 a day as well as the £5 drop off charge at the airport the prices even themselves out mate
I flew from Bristol recently (Tenerife) and have booked to fly from Cardiff in May
I don't think that's right.
The Welsh government have been calling for APD to be devolved for years, presumably so they can immediately scrap it. Westminster should have done it years ago but have been refusing to do it.
The main reason Bristol is cheaper to fly out if for carriers is the economies of scale i.e. the costs for all the behind the scenes stuff that has to go on at an airport is shared between more flights and is therefore cheaper
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Originally Posted by
Sunnysideup
Not sure who exactly levy the tax Rjk
Wales or Westminster
All I know is that the same tax doesn’t apply over the bridge
Michael O’Leary was calling for it to be scrapped
It isn’t
Which is why it’s cheaper to fly from Bristol
If you factor in the cost of getting to Bristol Sludge along with the newly introduced’Clean air zone charge’ @£9 a day as well as the £5 drop off charge at the airport the prices even themselves out mate
I flew from Bristol recently (Tenerife) and have booked to fly from Cardiff in May
Bristol is a pain in the arse to get to
Cardiff has a huge runway and can easily handle the big flights
If it got hold of the bucket and spade flights then it might be a contender
Apart from Manchester which is really dominant you have Leeds Bradford , East Midlands and Liverpool
Surely Cardiff can be that sort of second rung airport but down here ?
The buildings at Bristol look smaller if anything
They just seem to have more flights
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Cardiff can accommodate the big jumbo’s
We flew to Toronto from there and also Florida
Until recently Qatar Airlines had a regular service
It’s all down to this landing tax?
Airlines don’t want to pay it
Is there someone on the board that actually understands the reasoning behind inflated tax for Cardiff and not for the likes of Bristol??
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I initially supported the WG buying the airport and I think it may have closed without them doing that so I suppose it was the right decision.
But this is yet another example of how utterly incompetent they are. Is there anything they have excelled at? Clealy airlines don't think much of them. I suspect they are slow, don't understand the market, take too long to make investment decisions and run it in a political as opposed to commercial manner.
They excel in draconian covid measures and ruining the traffic flow, and wasting money on stuff that's not needed like the slowest roads in the UK and Europe and free prescriptions for millionaires, and free money for kids coming out of care, and the longest NHS waiting lists, and it looks like they could get the biggest reduction in airport traffic pretty soon.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
What's that got to do with anything? Is your life filled with ways of blaming absolutely everything on Drakeford?
South Wales is one of the poorest areas of the UK. Of course things will take longer to recover as people have less money here.
He never wanted to unlock, and called Boris reckless, he should have been the opposite and opened up sooner and attracted some money for Wales if we are so poor, I said at the time it will damage the welsh economy and it has. Yes, he scored a lot of petty points and cost us all prosperity our airport is going downhill like everything else.
Can you name anything he's done better than England to kick on our economy?
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Don't forget Dickford cancelled the M4 relief road, so alienating anyone travelling from England and spending a hour driving through Newport - who owns Cardiff Airport - oh yeah WG :facepalm:
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Rjk
the disparity with Bristol airport happened a long time before the Welsh government got involved
Partly true, you don't give up, that's like saying Morison was poor so if Hudsons really crap, the disparity with Swansea started long ago.
Running an airport should be a piece of piss for a government!
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Originally Posted by
Chris Pontprennau Blues
Don't forget Dickford cancelled the M4 relief road, so alienating anyone travelling from England and spending a hour driving through Newport - who owns Cardiff Airport - oh yeah WG :facepalm:
Yes and banned the Engish coming here and spending their money in Wales the buggers, let's triple their council tax that will stop them, from coming here and using our tourist industry, and that'll teach them!
Literally, everything he does, makes you think that's exactly the opposite of what you should do to stimulate an economy.
It falls on deaf ears here, all of you must know this but for some reason think I must defend daft actions because he's Labour!
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Bristol is a pain in the arse to get to
Cardiff has a huge runway and can easily handle the big flights
If it got hold of the bucket and spade flights then it might be a contender
Apart from Manchester which is really dominant you have Leeds Bradford , East Midlands and Liverpool
Surely Cardiff can be that sort of second rung airport but down here ?
The buildings at Bristol look smaller if anything
They just seem to have more flights
Why is that then?
Maybe because it's being run properly?
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
At least it gives Harry a day off 🤣
He's just as dopey, what a pair!
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It isn't the Welsh government's fault that Cardiff Airport isn't successful
Basically local taffies are tight and want to save 50 quid by flying from Bristol
You could put an airport in someone's back garden in South Wales .....and let's be honest it is ......and they would still find something to moan about
Not true, I talk to a lot of people, and almost everyone prefers Cardiff but there are not enough routes, so Bristol picks up all the money. The Silver Zone car park is expensive, as said drop-offs are a fiver and they are making money from the clean air zones. I flew from both last year in the summer, there were 12 flights from 6 till 7 in Bristol and 12 from Cardiff all-day on the day I compared.
I would always pay more to travel from Cardiff.
We are losing a fortune the demand is there, and it would create more jobs, just get help from someone that can run a business not ruin one!
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And the alternative to Labour in Wales is………………
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I don't think that's right.
The Welsh government have been calling for APD to be devolved for years, presumably so they can immediately scrap it. Westminster should have done it years ago but have been refusing to do it.
The main reason Bristol is cheaper to fly out if for carriers is the economies of scale i.e. the costs for all the behind the scenes stuff that has to go on at an airport is shared between more flights and is therefore cheaper
Yes because it's well managed and they attracted more flights while our lot keeps reducing them!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Not true, I talk to a lot of people, and almost everyone prefers Cardiff but there are not enough routes, so Bristol picks up all the money. The Silver Zone car is expensive, as said drop-offs are a fiver and they are making money from the clean air zones. I flew from both last year in the summer, there were 12 flights from 6 till 7 in Bristol and 12 from Cardiff all-day on the day I compared.
We are losing a fortune the demand is there, and it would create more jobs, just get help from someone that can run a business not ruin one!
yes it's cheaper for airlines to travel from Bristol because the passenger numbers are so much higher there, so they get more flights making it cheaper and so on.
Cardiff was run into the ground prior to the government stepping in, they were doing a good job at getting more flights in and passenger numbers back up, but with COVID and everything since it's obvious that smaller airports like ours will be affected more
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
And the alternative to Labour in Wales is………………
The raving looney party would run it better!
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It's certainly fair to criticise the UK govt for not devolving Air Passenger Duty (APD) as it has been done to Scotland and N.Ireland. However, they are arguably different cases but I do think it should be devolved
There is no reason to let the WG off the hook though. They own the bloody thing and APD is the same in Bristol as here. And would they even use the powers? They have a habit of not doing so and would Drakefords Labour really subsidise such a polluting industry?
The fault, as with many things here lies in Cardiff Bay and the sooner we hold them to a higher standard the better
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
The raving looney party would run it better!
But they’re doing shite in Westminster, wouldn’t want them this side of the border:shrug:
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's certainly fair to criticise the UK govt for not devolving Air Passenger Duty (APD) as it has been done to Scotland and N.Ireland. However, they are arguably different cases but I do think it should be devolved
There is no reason to let the WG off the hook though. They own the bloody thing and APD is the same in Bristol as here. And would they even use the powers? They have a habit of not doing so and would Drakefords Labour really subsidise such a polluting industry?
The fault, as with many things here lies in Cardiff Bay and the sooner we hold them to a higher standard the better
the Welsh government have been demanding that apd was devolved for years, I'm pretty sure they aren't demanding it so that they can then ignore it and leave it where it was before