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Obama wiretapped Trump during the run-up to the election?
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Also tweeted by Trump
"The first meeting Jeff Sessions had with the Russian Amb was set up by the Obama Administration under education program for 100 Ambs......"
"Just out: The same Russian Ambassador that met Jeff Sessions visited the Obama White House 22 times, and 4 times last year alone."
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Is he the first ambassador ever to visit the White House?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Also tweeted by Trump
"The first meeting Jeff Sessions had with the Russian Amb was set up by the Obama Administration under education program for 100 Ambs......"
"Just out: The same Russian Ambassador that met Jeff Sessions visited the Obama White House 22 times, and 4 times last year alone."
Isn't that exactly what you would expect an ambassador to be doing?
Or are they strictly covert meetings that are later denied these days?
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Rjk
Isn't that exactly what you would expect an ambassador to be doing?
Or are they strictly covert meetings that are later denied these days?
I've figured it out. It's because he went to the White House.
What they're supposed to do is visit a resort owned by the president so he can make some money.
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30 minutes after exposing a scandal as big as Watergate, Trump is tweeting about Arnie in a TV show.
:hehe:
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Rjk
Isn't that exactly what you would expect an ambassador to be doing?
Or are they strictly covert meetings that are later denied these days?
So why were the Democrats calling for the resignation of Jeff Sessions, when all he was doing is having a meeting with the Russian ambassador as part of his duties as a member of the Armed Services Commitee?
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lardy
30 minutes after exposing a scandal as big as Watergate, Trump is tweeting about Arnie in a TV show.
:hehe:
I don't think you know how Twitter works. Trump is media savvy, he light's a fire and moves on. Now the MSM will have to report the the wiretap story, and various enquires will ensue, and with many millions knowing about it, it's won't be so easy to sweep it under the carpet.
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Please explain more about what I've got wrong about Twitter's operation.
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lardy
Please explain more about what I've got wrong about Twitter's operation.
It is imatterial what Trump posts 30 minutes later, he's already kicked Obama in the nuts. Job done!
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lardy
I've figured it out. It's because he went to the White House.
What they're supposed to do is visit a resort owned by the president so he can make some money.
How is he making any money when he personally pays for any potus-related hospitality that takes place on any of his business premises? BTW I'd go there too if I knew I was being bugged!
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Wales-Bales
It is imatterial what Trump posts 30 minutes later, he's already kicked Obama in the nuts. Job done!
Ah, so you're talking about how Trump uses Twitter, not 'how Twitter works'.
Interesting what you say about how MSM have to report the story now that Trump has tweeted it. You probably know that Fox (MSM) had just broadcast it before he tweeted? And a little later they showed the Arnie story?
He's the President and he's spending his time tweeting about what he's just seen on telly. :hehe: :hehe:
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Wales-Bales
I don't think you know how Twitter works. Trump is media savvy, he light's a fire and moves on. Now the MSM will have to report the the wiretap story, and various enquires will ensue, and with many millions knowing about it, it's won't be so easy to sweep it under the carpet.
If only Lloyd-George, Aneurin Bevan, Michael Foot and Disraeli were still around, they'd be brilliant on Twitter.
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the other bob wilson
If only Lloyd-George, Aneurin Bevan, Michael Foot and Disraeli were still around, they'd be brilliant on Twitter.
Makes you wonder how any politician got things done before Twitter.
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lardy
Ah, so you're talking about how Trump uses Twitter, not 'how Twitter works'.
Interesting what you say about how MSM have to report the story now that Trump has tweeted it. You probably know that Fox (MSM) had just broadcast it before he tweeted? And a little later they showed the Arnie story?
He's the President and he's spending his time tweeting about what he's just seen on telly. :hehe: :hehe:
It's no accident that Fox reported it. You are just seeing Trump's gameplan unfolding, he's always many steps ahead :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
I can't stand Trump
:sherlock:
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the other bob wilson
If only Lloyd-George, Aneurin Bevan, Michael Foot and Disraeli were still around, they'd be brilliant on Twitter.
Trump is facing a bought media, and he even has many enemies amongst his own party, and in the security agencies. He is being very shrewd by communicating directly with the public.
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life on mars
Its all Blair's fault
....and the immigrants
....and Brussels
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Wales-Bales
So why were the Democrats calling for the resignation of Jeff Sessions, when all he was doing is having a meeting with the Russian ambassador as part of his duties as a member of the Armed Services Commitee?
Possibly because he lied to the Senate when he said he had no meetings with the Russians - and didn't know about any other Team Trump meetings with them - claims that are unravelling by the hour.
Possibly because he then lied about meeting the Russian Ambassador in his role as a member of the Armed Services Committee - when no other members have ever held meetings with the Russian Ambassador in that capacity as it is the Foreign Relations Committee that has those contacts - and in fact was acting as a leading member of the Trump election campaign.
Possibly because the Trump administration is starting to fall apart, and in the face of concerted lies and disinformation that seek to undermine more traditional and measured responses to Russiagate, the Democrats can't resist an open goal?
I don't know if any of those things are 100% true, but I do believe they are a better explanation than your 'alternative facts'.
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jon1959
Possibly because he lied to the Senate when he said he had no meetings with the Russians - and didn't know about any other Team Trump meetings with them - claims that are unravelling by the hour.
Possibly because he then lied about meeting the Russian Ambassador in his role as a member of the Armed Services Committee - when no other members have ever held meetings with the Russian Ambassador in that capacity as it is the Foreign Relations Committee that has those contacts - and in fact was acting as a leading member of the Trump election campaign.
Possibly because the Trump administration is starting to fall apart, and in the face of concerted lies and disinformation that seek to undermine more traditional and measured responses to Russiagate, the Democrats can't resist an open goal?
I don't know if any of those things are 100% true, but I do believe they are a better explanation than your 'alternative facts'.
I'll get back to you on this one, I haven't really looked past Trump's initial tweets that he posted earlier.
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jon1959
Possibly because he lied to the Senate when he said he had no meetings with the Russians - and didn't know about any other Team Trump meetings with them
Here is the official transcript:
Franken: CNN just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week, that included information that “Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.” These documents also allegedly say “there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.” Again, I’m telling you this as it’s coming out, so you know. But if it’s true, it’s obviously extremely serious, and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?
Sessions: Senator Franken, I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.
Franken: Very well.
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Wales-Bales
I knew it , phew, thank God for real news,and not more of that fake stuff , which detracts attention from the real issues.
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life on mars
I knew it , phew, thank God for real news,and not more of that fake stuff , which detracts attention from the real issues.
Donald Trump even works on Sundays! :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
Donald Trump even works on Sundays! :biggrin:
Yeah, 'working from home'! Just as well, he's got a lot on his plate right now.
Crikey. What is Team Don's next move I wonder?
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Vimana.
Yeah, 'working from home'! Just as well, he's got a lot on his plate right now.
Crikey. What is Team Don's next move I wonder?
I imagine tidying up after him is quite a challenge.
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Indeed!
Or it may well be that this really is all part of a plan to create such social unease and division that 'we' become easy targets for 'whatever is coming next'.
While that still remains a possibility,it is easy to get the impression that The Don does get all knee-jerky on Twitter and goes off-piste, over and above the carefully crafted plans of Team Trump.
Who knows, yet. 'Politics' has never been so riveting.
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Vimana.
Indeed!
Or it may well be that this really is all part of a plan to create such social unease and division that 'we' become easy targets for 'whatever is coming next'.
While that still remains a possibility,it is easy to get the impression that The Don does get all knee-jerky on Twitter and goes off-piste, over and above the carefully crafted plans of Team Trump.
Who knows, yet. 'Politics' has never been so riveting.
Maybe it's all part of the misdirection plan, but the fact that no one from the White House seemed to have been expecting it suggests that the plan was only known to a small number of people. Perhaps that group only consisted of Donald.
The FBI boss has said it's not true and Trump has said he doesn't believe him. Accusing a President of tappping is huge, pretty much unpresidented. Doing it without giving any evidence is insane. If it's all part of a plan and not just an old guy tweeting while watching the news then it's pretty terrifying.
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Wales-Bales
How is he making any money when he personally pays for any potus-related hospitality that takes place on any of his business premises? BTW I'd go there too if I knew I was being bugged!
Because the membership fees of his country club in Florida doubled the minute he took office
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Wales-Bales
It is imatterial what Trump posts 30 minutes later, he's already kicked Obama in the nuts. Job done!
So the guy who bleats on about fake noos, spouts any old crap he just made up on twitter, his supporters believe every word, job done he moves on?
No wonder him and Farage get on so well.
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Originally Posted by
Vimana.
Indeed!
Or it may well be that this really is all part of a plan to create such social unease and division that 'we' become easy targets for 'whatever is coming next'.
While that still remains a possibility,it is easy to get the impression that The Don does get all knee-jerky on Twitter and goes off-piste, over and above the carefully crafted plans of Team Trump.
Who knows, yet. 'Politics' has never been so riveting.
Bannon is the brains behind Trump.
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TH63
So the guy who bleats on about fake noos, spouts any old crap he just made up on twitter, his supporters believe every word, job done he moves on?
No wonder him and Farage get on so well.
I've an inkling those tweets were strategic.
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Wales-Bales
Bannon is the brains behind Trump.
Indeed, he is largely what/who I mean by Team Trump.
My own personal view is that while it seems very possible that there is a program of strategic tweets, designed to cause noise and confusion - (to whatever end .. TBC), it's also possible that The Donald is shooting a few of his own, from the hip.
If so , who knows if Team Trump approve of these.
This really is incredible sh1t going on- right before our eyes!
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Vimana.
Indeed, he is largely what/who I mean by Team Trump.
My own personal view is that while it seems very possible that there is a program of strategic tweets, designed to cause noise and confusion - (to whatever end .. TBC), it's also possible that The Donald is shooting a few of his own, from the hip.
If so , who knows if Team Trump approve of these.
This really is incredible sh1t going on- right before our eyes!
Yep, but I find it all hard to believe that Trump is the idiotic buffoon, firing off random tweets in the oval office as he watches Fox News, that some on here are making him out to be. If he is, then we really are in very deep trouble :biggrin:
The way I see it there are two rival factions at play here. One is the Obama/Clinton deep state, with their stay behinds embedded in the various government departments and agencies (e.g.7th Floor), along with most of the MSM. Even Republicans such as McCain and Graham are heavily against Trump.
Trump does have his supporters, but they are far fewer in number, and mostly to be found amonst the military and the rank and file of the security services. However Trump's major weopon is that he is sitting on a treasure trove of "secrets", and this information could bring down an estimated third of those in the corridors of power, if you believe any of the more colourful versions of coming events.
Hence, if you follow along with this narrative, it's easy to see that many of the players involved would have a very good reason for wanting to bring down this accidental president, who is the very last person that any of them ever wanted to see sitting in the White House.
Like you say, it is all incredible stuff to witness and very entertaining, and for sure some of us on here are going to have the greatest Western of all Super Mares! :hehe:
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TH63
Because the membership fees of his country club in Florida doubled the minute he took office
Yeah, very naïve to think that he doesn't make a cent from his Winter White House antics
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The tweets could be strategic. If Congress is investigating wire tapps that don't exist then they might not investigate the Russia links. Now why would Trump want that?
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lardy
The tweets could be strategic. If Congress is investigating wire tapps that don't exist then they might not investigate the Russia links. Now why would Trump want that?
This may or may not be interesting, depending on how bad your cognitive dissonance is :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91fNfGjZdM0
PS he's the bloke who caused Trump to tweet like a maniac, yes it was some random fella on Fox TV who is responsible for all the drama! :hehe:
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Wales-Bales
This may or may not be interesting, depending on how bad your cognitive dissonance is :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91fNfGjZdM0
PS he's the bloke who caused Trump to tweet like a maniac, yes it was some random fella on Fox TV who is responsible for all the drama! :hehe:
Cheers for that. Not going to look at everything he mentions as evidence that Obama tappped Trump, so I just looked at one which was this Guardian piece:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ussia-contacts
He reads out this bit:
"The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation."
...although interestingly he omits the bit in bold. The article is dated Jan 11th, so I'm wondering, given that it's been around for two months, why no one else has picked up on it being evidence of this massive crime?
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lardy
Cheers for that. Not going to look at everything he mentions as evidence that Obama tappped Trump, so I just looked at one which was this Guardian piece:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ussia-contacts
He reads out this bit:
"The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October
, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation."
...although interestingly he omits the bit in bold. The article is dated Jan 11th, so I'm wondering, given that it's been around for two months, why no one else has picked up on it being evidence of this massive crime?
I'd give it a bit of time, cos it's all going to come out in the wash anyway, but it really is starting to get a bit crazy! I've heard a most bizarre story that shouldn't possibly be true, but given Trump's tweets and the accusations he made, there might just be something in it!
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Wales-Bales
I'd give it a bit of time, cos it's all going to come out in the wash anyway, but it really is starting to get a bit crazy! I've heard a most bizarre story that shouldn't possibly be true, but given Trump's tweets and the accusations he made, there might just be something in it!
Oooh you teeze