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'Fake news' inquiry launched
We knew it was coming..
https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...-launch-16-17/
"The Culture, Media and Sport Committee launches an inquiry into 'fake news': the growing phenomenon of widespread dissemination, through social media and the internet, and acceptance as fact of stories of uncertain provenance or accuracy."
You can submit your views through the Fake news inquiry page, it will be interesting to read some of those.
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And here's the think tank behind it (as always)....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWxbO5hOI5o
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Mrs Steve R
We knew it was coming..
https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...-launch-16-17/
"The Culture, Media and Sport Committee launches an inquiry into 'fake news': the growing phenomenon of widespread dissemination, through social media and the internet, and acceptance as fact of stories of uncertain provenance or accuracy."
You can submit your views through the Fake news inquiry page, it will be interesting to read some of those.
They are too late, Trump has already had an inquiry, and they quickly identified the perveyors of fake news ... the MSM! :biggrin:
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City's attendance figures would be somewhere to start.
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ninianclark
"Alternative facts" oh how we laughed until someone pointed out the following
There is a glass of water on the table with 50% water in it.
It is half full - FACT
It is half empty - Alternative FACT
both are right - people tend to pick the one that suits them
Indeed so.
I interpreted the kind of 'Alternative facts' she had referenced as more akin to:
The Glass is 3/4 full - FACT
The Glass is 3/4 empty - FACT
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Blue in the Face
"Truth decay" maybe they should brush more? :hehe: it's obvious they are going somewhere with the "threat to democracy" thing, they will end up blocking them all and we will just be left with the Big Bullshitting Corporation.
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Wales-Bales
They are too late, Trump has already had an inquiry, and they quickly identified the perveyors of fake news ... the MSM! :biggrin:
So we are going to end up with 'Trump news' only?
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ninianclark
"Alternative facts" oh how we laughed until someone pointed out the following
There is a glass of water on the table with 50% water in it.
It is half full - FACT
It is half empty - Alternative FACT
both are right - people tend to pick the one that suits them
That's two ways to express the same number. Alternative facts, as Spicer used them, are different numbers to others.
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Taunton Blue Genie
City's attendance figures would be somewhere to start.
Back in the 60's the gates figures were lowered as you probably know
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Vimana.
Indeed so.
I interpreted the kind of 'Alternative facts' she had referenced as more akin to:
The Glass is 3/4 full - FACT
The Glass is 3/4 empty - FACT
This is more like it. What ninianclark is describing is spin.
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Mrs Steve R
.So we are going to end up with 'Trump news' only?
Actually it's the truth according to Donald Trump. He worked out a long time ago that the MSM like to twist everything, push vague truths, and regularly omit things. That's why he uses Twitter and Facebook to communicate directly with the electorate.
You can actually trace the origins of this fake news story back to a tweet that was made in early November, after people had started to notice strange things being mentioned in the leaked Podesta emails https://mobile.twitter.com/jmpalmier...64366547533824 In order to suppress discussion surrounding these leaked emails, we had the Russian hacking story, and the attack on the alternative media.
The tables have now been turned with Trump's unexpected election victory, so we will have to wait and see what happens next, but I don't think we have heard the last of this.
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Wales-Bales
Actually it's the truth according to Donald Trump. He worked out a long time ago that the MSM like to twist everything, push vague truths, and regularly omit things. That's why he uses Twitter and Facebook to communicate directly with the electorate.
You can actually trace the origins of this fake news story back to a tweet that was made in early November, after people had started to notice strange things being mentioned in the leaked Podesta emails
https://mobile.twitter.com/jmpalmier...64366547533824 In order to suppress discussion surrounding these leaked emails, we had the Russian hacking story, and the attack on the alternative media.
The tables have now been turned with Trump's unexpected election victory, so we will have to wait and see what happens next, but I don't think we have heard the last of this.
How do you determine that 'trump's tweets are any more or less distorted than MSM news?
" Alternative facts" from both sides seems more likely.
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Vimana.
How do you determine that 'trump's tweets are any more or less distorted than MSM news?
" Alternative facts" from both sides seems more likely.
If I want to tell you something important, it will be more accurate if I tell you directly rather than going through a 3rd party, especially one who is opposed to me. Then you can judge my words knowing that they came directly from me, and they haven't been altered in any way.
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Wales-Bales
If I want to tell you something important, it will be more accurate if I tell you directly rather than going through a 3rd party, especially one who is opposed to me. Then you can judge my words knowing that they came directly from me, and they haven't been altered in any way.
POTUS statements, etc could always be easily found. How many cameras are there at a press conference?
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Wales-Bales
If I want to tell you something important, it will be more accurate if I tell you directly rather than going through a 3rd party, especially one who is opposed to me. Then you can judge my words knowing that they came directly from me, and they haven't been altered in any way.
Well, I get that ;)
But what if you are lying, or it became abundantly clear that previously you had lied in a direct communique?
Now what do I believe?!
Does an untruth/distortion from the horses mouth (in order to convey a particular viewpoint) have any more merit than an untruth/distortion processed through a media outlet (in order to convey a particular viewpoint)?
Perhaps the media outlet has to take a little more care to avoid litigation even.
The horses mouth might be able to say whatever it wants - on behalf of itself.
I'm sure that the use of Social Media its a fascinating about turn in the world of politics - even if some of the early adopters often sound like petulant brats rather than statespersons - but I also suspect that 'trump' trumping off directly via Twitter is not exactly the the way, the truth and the light.
Multiple flavours of bullsh1t - direct and indirect?
(yeah i know .. there's a bigger picture behind it all ;) )
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lardy
POTUS statements, etc could always be easily found. How many cameras are there at a press conference?
Thing is nobody looks into the stuff that they hear on the news!
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Vimana.
Well, I get that ;)
But what if you are lying, or it became abundantly clear that previously you had lied in a direct communique?
Now what do I believe?!
Does an untruth/distortion from the horses mouth (in order to convey a particular viewpoint) have any more merit than an untruth/distortion processed through a media outlet (in order to convey a particular viewpoint)?
Perhaps the media outlet has to take a little more care to avoid litigation even.
The horses mouth might be able to say whatever it wants - on behalf of itself.
I'm sure that the use of Social Media its a fascinating about turn in the world of politics - even if some of the early adopters often sound like petulant brats rather than statespersons - but I also suspect that 'trump' trumping off directly via Twitter is not exactly the the way, the truth and the light.
Multiple flavours of bullsh1t - direct and indirect?
(yeah i know .. there's a bigger picture behind it all ;) )
It just makes your job as the receiver of my message a little easier, knowing that the words have not been distorted in any way. Naturally you will still have some work to do regarding the veracity of my message and what it is I am saying :biggrin: Propaganda is an interesting topic!
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Wales-Bales
It just makes your job as the receiver of my message a little easier, knowing that the words have not been distorted in any way. Naturally you will still have some work to do regarding the veracity of my message and what it is I am saying :biggrin: Propaganda is an interesting topic!
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...5f&oe=5943A622
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Wales-Bales
If I want to tell you something important, it will be more accurate if I tell you directly rather than going through a 3rd party, especially one who is opposed to me. Then you can judge my words knowing that they came directly from me, and they haven't been altered in any way.
Just wondering what you make of these two links - I thought Obama's ratings were bad enough, but then I saw Trump's!
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
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the other bob wilson
I think Trump is a bit of a chancer, but he is also a genius! He's got the democrat supporters in perpetual meltdown mode, which is fun to see. The main benefit of Trump being president is it should make our Brexit a little bit easier. It will also be interesting to see whether he sorts out the current corrupt political system or goes along with it. I still think he was the least worst option, even though he will probably come up with some very dodgy policies!
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Inquiry needs to go all the way back to WW2
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Wales-Bales
Actually it's the truth according to Donald Trump. He worked out a long time ago that the MSM like to twist everything, push vague truths, and regularly omit things. That's why he uses Twitter and Facebook to communicate directly with the electorate.
You can actually trace the origins of this fake news story back to a tweet that was made in early November, after people had started to notice strange things being mentioned in the leaked Podesta emails
https://mobile.twitter.com/jmpalmier...64366547533824 In order to suppress discussion surrounding these leaked emails, we had the Russian hacking story, and the attack on the alternative media.
The tables have now been turned with Trump's unexpected election victory, so we will have to wait and see what happens next, but I don't think we have heard the last of this.
It has taken a while for it to sink in but you actually serious with all this Trump stuff aren't you?
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Wales-Bales
Thing is nobody looks into the stuff that they hear on the news!
Doesn't this contradict what you said in the Daily Mail/Wikipedia discussion - that people should decide for themselves?
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Eric Cartman
It has taken a while for it to sink in but you actually serious with all this Trump stuff aren't you?
This discussion is not about Trump, it is about the media. Trump is merely a player, albeit a central character, so I have no choice other than to include him in the narrative. You seem to be a man of many diversions :biggrin:
You could substitute any number of people or organisations into this equation, but one fact remains - the media are colluding with the globalists, as they attempt to disrupt and destroy anything that gets in their path.
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lardy
Doesn't this contradict what you said in the Daily Mail/Wikipedia discussion - that people should decide for themselves?
Not at all. In an ideal world, people would get there information from a variety of sources, and then come to their own conclusions. However the fact is most people get their information from a single source, usually the TV or MSM. And it is obvious what the Daily Mail/Wikipedia thing is all about - the suppression of opposing views.
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Wales-Bales
Not at all. In an ideal world, people would get there information from a variety of sources, and then come to their own conclusions. However the fact is most people get their information from a single source, usually the TV or MSM. And it is obvious what the Daily Mail/Wikipedia thing is all about - the suppression of opposing views.
If it is about the suppression of opposing views, why don't they ban more 'news' outlets with the same view as the Mail?
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lardy
If it is about the suppression of opposing views, why don't they ban more 'news' outlets with the same view as the Mail?
They probably will, lots of pro Trump stuff is being flagged as fake news on facebook, you can even get yourself a Trump filter if you are that pathetic and you can't handle seeing stories about him. :hehe: (not you, anyone)
http://trumpfilter.com/
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Mrs Steve R
They probably will, lots of pro Trump stuff is being flagged as fake news on facebook, you can even get yourself a Trump filter if you are that pathetic and you can't handle seeing stories about him. :hehe: (not you, anyone)
http://trumpfilter.com/
Shouldn't we wait until they actually do before concluding that the Mail is banned for having an opposing view (whatever that is).
Not sure what facebook is to do with wikipedia, mind.
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lardy
If it is about the suppression of opposing views, why don't they ban more 'news' outlets with the same view as the Mail?
If you hadn't noticed most of the MSM are on the same team, just follow the fake news allegations :biggrin: It seems that the DM sufficiently annoyed a group of people with that climate change article that they decided to make an example of them.
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Wales-Bales
If you hadn't noticed most of the MSM are on the same team, just follow the fake news allegations :biggrin: It seems that the DM sufficiently annoyed a group of people with that climate change article that they decided to make an example of them.
Help me out. Which team are most of the MSM on? Is the Mail on this team or opposite?
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lardy
Not sure what facebook is to do with wikipedia, mind.
Liberals, Soros, EU, Facebook, Twitter, Google, MSM, Blairites, Wikipedia, multinationals, socialists, communists, and a multitude of other secret groups are all on the same side, as are you :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
Liberals, Soros, EU, Facebook, Twitter, Google, MSM, Blairites, Wikipedia, multinationals, socialists, communists, and a multitude of other secret groups are all on the same side, as are you :biggrin:
The Mail is on the same side as the EU.
Okey dokey.
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lardy
Help me out. Which team are most of the MSM on? Is the Mail on this team or opposite?
Just think Brexit (anti-globalist, Trump) and Remain (globalist, Soros), those are the dividing lines.
And please stop playing dumb, it's starting to get a bit tedious :biggrin:
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I just don't get these sudden interest or alarm in fake news , its being going on since biblical times , big use in the wars , think it used to be called :sherlock:Propaganda
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lardy
The Mail is on the same side as the EU.
Okey dokey.
The mail are on the side of those who are trying to save humanity :biggrin:
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lardy
Shouldn't we wait until they actually do before concluding that the Mail is banned for having an opposing view (whatever that is).
Not sure what facebook is to do with wikipedia, mind.
Politics or geopolitics is about overlapping factions, each with their own ideologies and interests, all of which are continually shifting and changing, and all of which are constituted of individual people with their own needs, desires, perversions, secrets and personal relationships.
I'm lucky enough to have worked in Plaid Cymru HQ -Ty Gwynfor - for the final year of Plaid's coalition government with Labour so I've seen first hand how quickly factions can form and dissolve.
The owners (and editor) of the Daily Mail have overlapping interests with members of various factions - for example certain wealthy UK people, prominent members of the Conservatives and UKIP, media like Breitbart.
Wikipedia, on the other hand, has overlapping interests with people like the Clintons and organisations like Facebook.
Understanding this is not very complicated but the relationships are infinitely complex.
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severncity
Politics or geopolitics is about overlapping factions, each with their own ideologies and interests, all of which are continually shifting and changing, and all of which are constituted of individual people with their own needs, desires, perversions, secrets and personal relationships.
I'm lucky enough to have worked in Plaid Cymru HQ -Ty Gwynfor - for the final year of Plaid's coalition government with Labour so I've seen first hand how quickly factions can form and dissolve.
The owners (and editor) of the Daily Mail have overlapping interests with members of various factions - for example certain wealthy UK people, prominent members of the Conservatives and UKIP, media like Breitbart.
Wikipedia, on the other hand, has overlapping interests with people like the Clintons and organisations like Facebook.
Understanding this is not very complicated but the relationships are infinitely complex.
You are dealing with lardy here though :hehe:
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severncity
Politics or geopolitics is about overlapping factions, each with their own ideologies and interests, all of which are continually shifting and changing, and all of which are constituted of individual people with their own needs, desires, perversions, secrets and personal relationships.
I'm lucky enough to have worked in Plaid Cymru HQ -Ty Gwynfor - for the final year of Plaid's coalition government with Labour so I've seen first hand how quickly factions can form and dissolve.
The owners (and editor) of the Daily Mail have overlapping interests with members of various factions - for example certain wealthy UK people, prominent members of the Conservatives and UKIP, media like Breitbart.
Wikipedia, on the other hand, has overlapping interests with people like the Clintons and organisations like Facebook.
Understanding this is not very complicated but the relationships are infinitely complex.
I agree that the relationships are very complex. This is why 'so-and-so and some others are all together on one side' is too simplistic and not accurate. Just to pick newspapers as an example, we've seen some suddenly jump ship many times.
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lardy
I agree that the relationships are very complex. This is why 'so-and-so and some others are all together on one side' is too simplistic and not accurate. Just to pick newspapers as an example, we've seen some suddenly jump ship many times.
Most groups and indiduals have now stepped out from the shadows, so it's fairly trivial to see who is who. A few double agents are still in place acting as agent provocateurs, but what we are now witnessing is a full-on information war, and the stakes are very high indeed. I also think it's fair to say that so far we have only witnessed the opening skirmishes, with both sides keeping their heavy artillery in reserve.
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