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Fighting terrorism not supporting it
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Interesting post can't wait for the comments.
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I would absolutely love to lose all of my human rights, where do I sign up?
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Wales-Bales
I would absolutely love to lose all of my human rights, where do I sign up?
Which part of "some human rights" are you struggling with?
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Nothing more than a cynical attempt to grab votes from your ukip types. If I'm not mistaken, all but one of the ten terrorists attackers since 2005 were UK born.
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Nick
Which part of "some human rights" are you struggling with?
I have a problem with this one.
"And I mean doing more to restrict the freedom and the movements of terrorist suspects when we have enough evidence to know they are a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them in full in court."
Here's why. The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regula...owers_Act_2000 was brought in under the same pretext. But instead it's been routinely used for minor incidents...
Councils launch eight spying ops on Brits A DAY using RIPA
Law designed for spooks, used against smokers - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/0...gbrotherwatch/
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It is weird how easy it is to just change these kind of laws but how hard it is to change the laws that allow millionaires to avoid paying tax.
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Nick
Which part of "some human rights" are you struggling with?
:hehe:
This is the Theresa we know and love from her Home Secretary days. Internet censorship, elimination of encryption and the destruction of human rights. Just like with the Snoopers Charter, she always returns to her old themes.
She was very wise to deliver this speech to a specially selected group of party members in a sealed off area. And not one Strong & Stable banner in sight :biggrin:
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Eric Cartman
It is weird how easy it is to just change these kind of laws but how hard it is to change the laws that allow millionaires to avoid paying tax.
What I find weird is that a man who has boasted that he has opposed anti terror legislation since he came to parliament in 1983 can claim that he has the best interests of our country at heart
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You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
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Alfonso Perez
What I find weird is that a man who has boasted that he has opposed anti terror legislation since he came to parliament in 1983 can claim that he has the best interests of our country at heart
Depends on his motivation I guess. If (as it appears now) 'anti terror laws' just refers to knee-jerk broad sweeping powers that will a) make no difference and b) be abused, then I agree with him. If it means locking people up without trial just because they are a bit suspicious, then I agree with him.
If you truly believe he voted against it because he 'loves terrorists' then feel free to stick your x wherever you feel is suitable.
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Nick
You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
How are you fighting terrorism?
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Nick
You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
That's what Tony Blair said while waving his sexed up dossier in front of parliament.
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Eric Cartman
Depends on his motivation I guess. If (as it appears now) 'anti terror laws' just refers to knee-jerk broad sweeping powers that will a) make no difference and b) be abused, then I agree with him. If it means locking people up without trial just because they are a bit suspicious, then I agree with him.
If you truly believe he voted against it because he 'loves terrorists' then feel free to stick your x wherever you feel is suitable.
Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.
In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.
I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.
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Alfonso Perez
Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.
In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.
I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.
All governments and the opposition parties are in contact with unsavery groups. Thatcher was in contact with the IRA and the ANC when they were a banned terrorist organisation. It is part of the job of being a politician.
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Nick
You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.
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Organ Morgan.
Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.
Jeez.
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Organ Morgan.
Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.
It's painful to watch isn't it.
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Alfonso Perez
Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.
In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.
I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.
Just be clear, do you think Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell want the terrorists to kill us all?
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Mrs Steve R
It's painful to watch isn't it.
I'm never quite sure whether the Chameleon Cwmbranistani is as daft as he portrays himself.
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Wales-Bales
All governments and the opposition parties are in contact with unsavery groups. Thatcher was in contact with the IRA and the ANC when they were a banned terrorist organisation. It is part of the job of being a politician.
Apart from Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott do you know of any other senior UK politicians who have referred to terrorist groups as their friends, stood in silence to honour dead IRA terrorists, refuse to condemn the IRA despite being asked on numerous occasions, praised the IRA & advocate honouring them or say that they wanted the British State defeated?
I am sorry but to suggest that a backbench MP like Corbyn had links with these organisations for any reason other than to suck up to them is laughable. Corbyn & McDonnell are republicans, can you work out the link?
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Alfonso Perez
Apart from Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott do you know of any other senior UK politicians who have referred to terrorist groups as their friends, stood in silence to honour dead IRA terrorists, refuse to condemn the IRA despite being asked on numerous occasions, praised the IRA & advocate honouring them or say that they wanted the British State defeated?
I am sorry but to suggest that a backbench MP like Corbyn had links with these organisations for any reason other than to suck up to them is laughable. Corbyn & McDonnell are republicans, can you work out the link?
Lot's of people are republicans, as will be seen when it's time for the queen to hand on the batton to Charles. Personally I can take it or leave it when it comes to the royals, but I can only see republicanism getting stronger in the future.
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Eric Cartman
Just be clear, do you think Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell want the terrorists to kill us all?
Which terrorist groups are you on about & where have I even come close to suggesting that they 'want the terrorists to kill us all'?
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Organ Morgan.
I'm never quite sure whether the Chameleon Cwmbranistani is as daft as he portrays himself.
Huh?
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Organ Morgan.
Nick = Croesy.
You learn something new every day :biggrin:
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mutha theresa is a fookin commie
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Alfonso Perez
Which terrorist groups are you on about & where have I even come close to suggesting that they 'want the terrorists to kill us all'?
Well you haven't but I am just not sure what you are so afraid of. What are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott going to do (putting aside that she is already being sidelined) that will endanger us?
You began the thread by saying that Corbyn 'doesn't have our best interests at heart', whose then??
Politicians go on the news and say 'the terrorists hate our way of life', well guess what so do our allies. In Saudi Arabia you couldn't find a country whose beliefs and values are are more polar opposite to our own. Successive governments have clung to them no matter what they did to people yet you act like Corbyn talking to some people from Sinn Fein is the crime of the century.
I think the world is probably a more complicated place than you are accepting it to be.
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Eric Cartman
Well you haven't but I am just not sure what you are so afraid of. What are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott going to do (putting aside that she is already being sidelined) that will endanger us?
You began the thread by saying that Corbyn 'doesn't have our best interests at heart', whose then??
Politicians go on the news and say 'the terrorists hate our way of life', well guess what so do our allies. In Saudi Arabia you couldn't find a country whose beliefs and values are are more polar opposite to our own. Successive governments have clung to them no matter what they did to people yet you act like Corbyn talking to some people from Sinn Fein is the crime of the century.
I think the world is probably a more complicated place than you are accepting it to be.
It would be less complicated if there wasn't so much propaganda about.
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Alfonso Perez
refuse to condemn the IRA despite being asked on numerous occasions
Really? Last I heard Corbyn roundly condemned all terrorism.
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Wales-Bales
You learn something new every day :biggrin:
Shame you don't empty your inbox every day. :hehe:
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Nick
You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
And in today's edition of policy by cliche.................
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Eric Cartman
Well you haven't but I am just not sure what you are so afraid of. What are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott going to do (putting aside that she is already being sidelined) that will endanger us?
A primary role of any government is to keep it's citizens as safe as possible & Corbyn's track record of continually opposing terrorist legislation since 1983 (his words not mine) are a cause for concern. Also having credibility on the world stage is vital so his links to terrorist organisations do absolutely nothing to support this. In addition he has stated that the only spending cut he would not reverse relates to the armed forces so he immediately places himself on an dangerous collision course with NATO who are key allies of ours.
Where has Corbyn said that Abbott will not be Home Secretary if he is elected as my understanding is that he has suggested that his top team will stay in place?
You began the thread by saying that Corbyn 'doesn't have our best interests at heart', whose then??
Corbyn's track record of continually voting against his own party suggests that all he cares about is what he believes in & sod the rest.
Politicians go on the news and say 'the terrorists hate our way of life', well guess what so do our allies. In Saudi Arabia you couldn't find a country whose beliefs and values are are more polar opposite to our own. Successive governments have clung to them no matter what they did to people yet you act like Corbyn talking to some people from Sinn Fein is the crime of the century.
I don't know what the relevance of this is as we are talking about direct actions & quotes from Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell & Diane Abbott highlighting their support for terrorist organisations. If anyone said 20/30 years ago that people harbouring such views could be running our country one day, they would have been the subject of ridicule.
Corbyn was talking to the IRA so why try to dress it up any differently? Inviting them into parliament 5 days after the Brighton bombing sums up his beliefs & lack of judgement very succinctly.
I think the world is probably a more complicated place than you are accepting it to be.
That comes across as more than a little patronising although in fairness you do seem to be describing yourself there. Your inability to consider this logically & objectively is blindingly obvious to me.
A few basic questions:
Do you think that it is acceptable for a potential UK PM to describe terrorist organisations as his friends?
Do you think that it is acceptable for a potential UK PM to observe a minutes silence for dead IRA terrorists?
Do you think that it is acceptable that a potential Chancellor wants to honour dead IRA terrorists?
Do you think that it is acceptable for a potential Home Secretary to want to see the British State defeated in any conflict?
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Wales-Bales
It would be less complicated if there wasn't so much propaganda about.
Please feel free to highlight anything I have said which isn't factual?
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Eric the Half a Bee
Really? Last I heard Corbyn roundly condemned all terrorism.
If Corbyn was asked about all terrorist organisations then I can understand that answer. However, he has been asked repeatedly if he specifically condemns the IRA & he continually refuses to provide a direct answer. Why is it so difficult for him to answer such a simple question?
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"In addition he has stated that the only spending cut he would not reverse relates to the armed forces so he immediately places himself on an dangerous collision course with NATO who are key allies of ours."
Wouldn't that mean that the party and PM who introduced those cuts is also on a dangerous collision course with NATO?
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lardy
"In addition he has stated that the only spending cut he would not reverse relates to the armed forces so he immediately places himself on an dangerous collision course with NATO who are key allies of ours."
Wouldn't that mean that the party and PM who introduced those cuts is also on a dangerous collision course with NATO?
In 2016 we spent 2.21% of GDP on defence which is above the 2% NATO target so we are far from being on a collision course. Only last month the NATO Secretary General was incredibly complimentary about our contribution to the organisation from many perspectives. I do wonder if such a positive endorsement will continue if Jeremy Corbyn gets the opportunity to carry out his wish to cut armed forces spending?
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Alfonso Perez
In 2016 we spent 2.21% of GDP on defence which is above the 2% NATO target so we are far from being on a collision course. Only last month the NATO Secretary General was incredibly complimentary about our contribution to the organisation from many perspectives. I do wonder if such a positive endorsement will continue if Jeremy Corbyn gets the opportunity to carry out his wish to cut armed forces spending?
You said 'reverse' cuts? Doesn't that mean the cuts are already being made?
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lardy
You said 'reverse' cuts? Doesn't that mean the cuts are already being made?
Like most government departments cuts have been made although as I have pointed out we are more than meeting our commitments to NATO. That said the cuts are clearly not deep enough for Jeremy Corbyn who said: 'Fight all the cuts. Except those in the Armed Forces. Where we want to see a few more cuts taking place.'
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Alfonso Perez
Like most government departments cuts have been made although as I have pointed out we are more than meeting our commitments to NATO. That said the cuts are clearly not deep enough for Jeremy Corbyn who said: 'Fight all the cuts. Except those in the Armed Forces. Where we want to see a few more cuts taking place.'
So we could make more cuts and still meet the 2% target.