This is the end for the EU Remainers

Yesterday JC Juncker has made our exit certain.
He has called for all the things that EVEN the remainers would not tolerate.
EU members will be forced to give up their vetoes on foreign policy and Tax.

This will bring about the collapse of the Eu over just a few years.
The French handing those powers away.
Not a chance in hell.

Riots in Paris coming :hehe:

Not sure what you saw but I did see Nigel Farage making a twat of himself again.

* United States of Europe
* European Army
* Ending of Veto
* Forced adoption of Euro currency
* One step away from a single world government controlled by the Banks and the Corporations

This was all predicted during the referendum debate, so we knew that this would happen.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

* United States of Europe
* European Army
* Ending of Veto
* Forced adoption of Euro currency
* One step away from a single world government controlled by the Banks and the Corporations

This was all predicted during the referendum debate, so we knew that this would happen.

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Single world government, easy to see the Yanks, Chinese and Russians going for that with the EU leading the way :hehe:

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

Not sure what you saw but I did see Nigel Farage making a twat of himself again.

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and another awful chap said this ,I quote ::

"""" Jean-Claude Juncker today called for an ever-more powerful European Union and warned that Britain would “regret Brexit”, in a defiant speech that was branded a blueprint for a United States of Europe.

The plans push for “ever-closer union” on defence, asylum and foreign policy in a bigger, more powerful bloc under a new, directly elected EU president. A eurozone finance minister would be appointed, with every country to adopt the euro.""

"""Mr Juncker called for a special summit of the 27 remaining member states the day after Brexit in March 2019, in the Romanian city of Sibiu, to map out the future of the EU. He insisted the “wind is back in Europe’s sails” despite deep divisions on eurozone reform, migration quotas and democratic values.""

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Originally Posted by life on mars

and another awful chap said this ,I quote ::

"""" Jean-Claude Juncker today called for an ever-more powerful European Union and warned that Britain would “regret Brexit”, in a defiant speech that was branded a blueprint for a United States of Europe.

The plans push for “ever-closer union” on defence, asylum and foreign policy in a bigger, more powerful bloc under a new, directly elected EU president. A eurozone finance minister would be appointed, with every country to adopt the euro.""

"""Mr Juncker called for a special summit of the 27 remaining member states the day after Brexit in March 2019, in the Romanian city of Sibiu, to map out the future of the EU. He insisted the “wind is back in Europe’s sails” despite deep divisions on eurozone reform, migration quotas and democratic values.""

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I don't know the Daily Telegraph's Europe correspondent so it is difficult to say whether what he wrote and what you quoted makes him an awful chap or not! That said from the stuff that came directly from Juncker's mouth there is enough to show that his view of the future may not be helpful to those who wish a strong alignment with Europe in the future. More comforting would have been the words of a number of the Heads of Government of the member states who were quick to pour cold water on much of this.

I'm still a remainer and always shall be. Ferk Brexshit it will be the death of the UK.

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Originally Posted by Mambo

This is what the 5 presidents report said - a road map for the EU for the next 7 years. Add on to that the inclusion of
Albania
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Macedonia.
Kosovo
Montenegro.
Serbia.

(Turkey wont be joining for a while)
The unemployment rate in those countries ranges from 20% to 34%. So more cheap Labour for companies, to keep your wages down. An influx of yet more people that will put pressure on housing, schools, health etc.

It seems the EU want tighter and tighter integration until it becomes a country of it's own, run in Brussels. Ironic that Belgium was a made up country in the first place.:-)

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Belgium, a country made up of three regions with two different languages who's borders were settled about a century before the UK's. Ironic indeed!

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Originally Posted by Packerman

Single world government, easy to see the Yanks, Chinese and Russians going for that with the EU leading the way :hehe:

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Nothing a war or two can't sort out, just bring back Hillary :wink:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Nothing a war or two can't sort out, just bring back Hillary :wink:

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Jeez ..
I wonder, can you manage a day without mentioning (the increasingly irrelevant to current affairs) Hilary?

You seem to be echoing and emulating that embarrassing hero of yours? - the one whom you are on the fence about ;)

If she has done wrong, then I hope she cops for it.
She is not coming back, and she is not going to start a war.

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Originally Posted by Packerman

Single world government, easy to see the Yanks, Chinese and Russians going for that with the EU leading the way :hehe:

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UN global tax body anyone? :biggrin: "A key step towards a coherent global system"
https://www.oxfam.org.uk/get-involve...d-for-everyone

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Pepper

Jeez ..
I wonder, can you manage a day without mentioning (the increasingly irrelevant to current affairs) Hilary?

You seem to be echoing and emulating that embarrassing hero of yours? - the one whom you are on the fence about ;)

If she has done wrong, then I hope she cops for it.
She is not coming back, and she is not going to start a war.

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Expect a condescending comment like' the players are moving into place' or some nutty article from some alt right 'hero'.

Seems like someone is looking to start some kind of war.
Not sure who TBH, but possibly it is not Hilary.

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Pepper

Seems like someone is looking to start some kind of war.
Not sure who TBH, but possibly it is not Hilary.

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Yet more verbal diarrhoea from you. Meaningless guff that barely qualifies as piffle. Have you had anything worthwhile to convey since your debut on CCMB three very long months ago?

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Originally Posted by severncity

Yet more verbal diarrhoea from you. Meaningless guff that barely qualifies as piffle. Have you had anything worthwhile to convey since your debut on CCMB three very long months ago?

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think you've been whooshed mate, he's mocking wales bales but knock yourself out anyway :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Packerman

think you've been whooshed mate, he's mocking wales bales but knock yourself out anyway :hehe:

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Mocking? You don't know half of the crap that's going on :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by severncity

Yet more verbal diarrhoea from you. Meaningless guff that barely qualifies as piffle. Have you had anything worthwhile to convey since your debut on CCMB three very long months ago?

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No. Nothing worth while TBH. Ah well. :indifferent:

Unlike yourself of course.
I mean, who could forget your amazing post about .. ..about ... umm ..

Ok, how about that enlightening point you made so well - which had everyone sitting up and taking notice - about .. .. . err..

Ah.
Just whining and insults yet again from you then.

Why the anger anyway? - Has someone annoyed you denying the existence of lizard people on the David Ike forum?

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Pepper

No. Nothing worth while TBH. Ah well. :indifferent:

Unlike yourself of course.
I mean, who could forget your amazing post about .. ..about ... umm ..

Ok, how about that enlightening point you made so well - which had everyone sitting up and taking notice - about .. .. . err..

Ah.
Just whining and insults yet again from you then.

Why the anger anyway? - Has someone annoyed you denying the existence of lizard people on the David Ike forum?

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This is very poetic :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

This is very poetic :biggrin:

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Really? You must see things that nobody else does.
No shit .. :-)

It would seem likely that the great and the good running our country are gearing up for a leadership election. It appears that Boris Johnson is seeking to cut May's attempt to reset the Brexit talks via her Florence speech next week off at the knees by setting out his "vision" of a post-Brexit world (low regulation, low tax, no transition and a red coach outside every NHS hospital promising jam tomorrow).

Probably a precursor to a leadership challenge from the Brexit cabal who see some of their party colleagues when confronted with the realities of previous rhetoric moving to softer positions. Meanwhile the country twists in the wind whilst all this self-indulgent vanity plays itself out.

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Pepper

No. Nothing worth while TBH. Ah well. :indifferent:

Unlike yourself of course.
I mean, who could forget your amazing post about .. ..about ... umm ..

Ok, how about that enlightening point you made so well - which had everyone sitting up and taking notice - about .. .. . err..

Ah.
Just whining and insults yet again from you then.

Why the anger anyway? - Has someone annoyed you denying the existence of lizard people on the David Ike forum?

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This all started when, for reasons known only to yourself, you decided to have a pop at me by claiming that I "couldn't insult my way out of a paper bag." Which I have since proved to be total horseshit. My last meaningful post was a link to Brendan O'Neill's podcast/article discussing why Nazis must have freedom of speech.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...9#.Wb0o_NHTWhB

So your juvenile jibe at me is meaningless, wrong and ill-founded; it reveals you to be just what I have accused you of being: an arsehole spewing verbal diarrhoea.

In ten years on CCMB I had never had a dispute with anyone. Then you came along with your trite, airheaded pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by severncity

This all started when, for reasons known only to yourself, you decided to have a pop at me by claiming that I "couldn't insult my way out of a paper bag." Which I have since proved to be total horseshit. My last meaningful post was a link to Brendan O'Neill's podcast/article discussing why Nazis must have freedom of speech.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...9#.Wb0o_NHTWhB

So your juvenile jibe at me is meaningless, wrong and ill-founded; it reveals you to be just what I have accused you of being: an arsehole spewing verbal diarrhoea.

In ten years on CCMB I had never had a dispute with anyone. Then you came along with your trite, airheaded pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Cheers.

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Lets just be clear and honest! ;)
This , below is the opening gambit here. What you posted, out of the blue.
Apparently inflamed that I made a short, throwaway remark about Hilary Clinton's irrelevance:

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Originally Posted by severncity

Yet more verbal diarrhoea from you. Meaningless guff that barely qualifies as piffle. Have you had anything worthwhile to convey since your debut on CCMB three very long months ago?

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I seem to remember you did something similar previously, though I cant be sure. I don't carry the details around like some chip on my shoulder .
All the best.

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Pepper

Apparently inflamed that I made a short, throwaway remark about Hilary Clinton's irrelevance:

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Hillary is not irrelevant, she still has the Clinton Foundation and half of DC in her pocket, DOJ, Judiciary, etc.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Hillary is not irrelevant, she still has the Clinton Foundation and half of DC in her pocket, DOJ, Judiciary, etc.

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I'm very sure Hilary does have some relevance.

The point here is that you injected a fantasy hypothesis to bring her in to a thread in which she has little relevance - i.e. that presidential candidate Clinton is somehow 'going to going to come back and start a war'
I took that as an ironic joke, and responded similarly.
That seemed to enrage severncity and now you appear to defending your hypothesis.

Whatever... really. :-)

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Originally Posted by Mambo

Listening to Dennis Skinner talk on Brexit - it was very interesting to hear him say - When we had the first vote nearly all the Tories voted IN and Labour voted OUT, roll on forward 40 odd years and it's mainly the other way around. Other than Skinner who still voted OUT. Well worth a watch to hear his thoughts on it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHBXL4fIOE

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Interesting but some of the above is not quite correct with regards Tory MPs referendum stated voting intentions.

According to a survey of all 650 MPs carried out by the Press Association ahead of the referendum on June 23:

:: 480 MPs said they would be voting Remain, including 184 Conservatives

:: 159 MPs said they would be voting Leave, including 139 Conservatives

:: 11 MPs were undeclared, including four Conservatives

This gives Remain a notional Commons majority of at least 310.

Some 218 Labour MPs said they would vote Remain while just 11 backed Leave.

All eight Liberal Democrat MPs intended to vote Remain, along with all 56 SNP MPs, all three Plaid Cymru MPs, all four Sinn Fein MPs and all three SDLP MPs.

Green MP Caroline Lucas also said she would vote Remain, as did independent MP Sylvia Hermon and the two Ulster Unionist MPs.

The eight DUP MPs said they would be voting to Leave, along with Ukip MP Douglas Carswell.

Here's a thought , should MP's simply vote in line with the wishes of thier constituents.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Here's a thought , should MP's simply vote in line with the wishes of thier constituents.

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And should pigs fly? ;)

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Originally Posted by Sgt. Pepper

I'm very sure Hilary does have some relevance.

The point here is that you injected a fantasy hypothesis to bring her in to a thread in which she has little relevance - i.e. that presidential candidate Clinton is somehow 'going to going to come back and start a war'
I took that as an ironic joke, and responded similarly.
That seemed to enrage severncity and now you appear to defending your hypothesis.

Whatever... really. :-)

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I've no idea who you really are or under what username you formerly posted. It appears, though, that you like to clog up meaningful debate with your usually meaningless posts.

Do you really believe that Hillary, who was responsible for wars in Libya, Syria and Ukraine, and who is the totem of the "progressive" left, wields no power or influence? It is evident that she does. The Trump administration has been hijacked by the banksters and neocons. America (and Europe) is divided in ways unknown in my lifetime - "right" against "left", black against white, old against young, rich against poor, the "educated" against the "workers."

The war has been raging since the Brexit vote. The war for more than peoples' hearts and minds - the war for people's souls. The "progressives" have doubled down - they control the mainstream media and are moulding the cognitive dissonance-inducing narrative: white people are bad (unless they are gay, feminist or TG), non-white people are good - even if they despise gays and feminists.

There will be a one-world government, with no borders. The rich will live in enclaves while the rest of us grind along in various degrees of relative poverty. The question that remains is who will control the world? Will it be the white people or the Chinese? Eveething else is merely detail.

Try looking at the bigger picture.

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Originally Posted by severncity

I've no idea who you really are or under what username you formerly posted. It appears, though, that you like to clog up meaningful debate with your usually meaningless posts.

Do you really believe that Hillary, who was responsible for wars in Libya, Syria and Ukraine, and who is the totem of the "progressive" left, wields no power or influence? It is evident that she does. The Trump administration has been hijacked by the banksters and neocons. America (and Europe) is divided in ways unknown in my lifetime - "right" against "left", black against white, old against young, rich against poor, the "educated" against the "workers."

The war has been raging since the Brexit vote. The war for more than peoples' hearts and minds - the war for people's souls. The "progressives" have doubled down - they control the mainstream media and are moulding the cognitive dissonance-inducing narrative: white people are bad (unless they are gay, feminist or TG), non-white people are good - even if they despise gays and feminists.

There will be a one-world government, with no borders. The rich will live in enclaves while the rest of us grind along in various degrees of relative poverty. The question that remains is who will control the world? Will it be the white people or the Chinese? Eveething else is merely detail.

Try looking at the bigger picture.

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That is pretty accurate (sadly).

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Originally Posted by severncity

I've no idea who you really are or under what username you formerly posted. It appears, though, that you like to clog up meaningful debate with your usually meaningless posts.

Do you really believe that Hillary, who was responsible for wars in Libya, Syria and Ukraine, and who is the totem of the "progressive" left, wields no power or influence? It is evident that she does. The Trump administration has been hijacked by the banksters and neocons. America (and Europe) is divided in ways unknown in my lifetime - "right" against "left", black against white, old against young, rich against poor, the "educated" against the "workers."

The war has been raging since the Brexit vote. The war for more than peoples' hearts and minds - the war for people's souls. The "progressives" have doubled down - they control the mainstream media and are moulding the cognitive dissonance-inducing narrative: white people are bad (unless they are gay, feminist or TG), non-white people are good - even if they despise gays and feminists.

There will be a one-world government, with no borders. The rich will live in enclaves while the rest of us grind along in various degrees of relative poverty. The question that remains is who will control the world? Will it be the white people or the Chinese? Eveething else is merely detail.

Try looking at the bigger picture.

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Are you talking about our mainstream media?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Are you talking about our mainstream media?

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Yes I am. The BBC, Guardian, Channel 4, NYT, Washington Post, CNN, NBC. If you can't perceive it then you are may be a slave to the "progressive" agenda.

With every day that passes I am more certain that it is China behind the "progressive" movement. It bears a great deal of similarity to the Cultural Revolution. Who stands to gain from the civil war unfolding in the West? China, for one.

I remember when "the Weakest Link" began, with its strong female host berating and humiliating her guests, I suspected that we were entering a new paradigm. People were willing to be publically flagellated in order to gain their 30 seconds of fame. We've seen many professions and roles dissected and undermined in TV and film drama since then - teachers, nurses, doctors, soldiers, parents, grandparents.

The white, British general public has little faith in anything any more. Politics, government, journalism, sport, education, medicine, business, retail, hospitality - each has been shown to be corruptible and shallow. The only growth shown in what people will put their faith in is Celebrity - TOWIE, X Factor, Cowell and Beckham are revered. Not only have we been dumbed down intellectually, we have been dumbed down emotionally and spiritually. Yet on forums such as this we still have sceptics refusing to believe that any of this is happening. I wouldn't include you in that group Eric.

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Originally Posted by severncity

Yes I am. The BBC, Guardian, Channel 4, NYT, Washington Post, CNN, NBC. If you can't perceive it then you are may be a slave to the "progressive" agenda.

With every day that passes I am more certain that it is China behind the "progressive" movement. It bears a great deal of similarity to the Cultural Revolution. Who stands to gain from the civil war unfolding in the West? China, for one.

I remember when "the Weakest Link" began, with its strong female host berating and humiliating her guests, I suspected that we were entering a new paradigm. People were willing to be publically flagellated in order to gain their 30 seconds of fame. We've seen many professions and roles dissected and undermined in TV and film drama since then - teachers, nurses, doctors, soldiers, parents, grandparents.

The white, British general public has little faith in anything any more. Politics, government, journalism, sport, education, medicine, business, retail, hospitality - each has been shown to be corruptible and shallow. The only growth shown in what people will put their faith in is Celebrity - TOWIE, X Factor, Cowell and Beckham are revered. Not only have we been dumbed down intellectually, we have been dumbed down emotionally and spiritually. Yet on forums such as this we still have sceptics refusing to believe that any of this is happening. I wouldn't include you in that group Eric.

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Re: Anne Robinson, some men like a bit of humiliation and always have.

I agree with most of that but I don't see how that relates to the initial point that I bolded about the media. I can only say it as I see it and I can't say I have ever felt persecuted by the media as a white male. I don't feel self-conscious or judged when I walk down the street.

I was on holiday with friends recently and got more and more irate at them wasting the holiday sitting around on their phones following their same mundane daily routine.

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Originally Posted by severncity

Yes I am. The BBC, Guardian, Channel 4, NYT, Washington Post, CNN, NBC. If you can't perceive it then you are may be a slave to the "progressive" agenda.

With every day that passes I am more certain that it is China behind the "progressive" movement. It bears a great deal of similarity to the Cultural Revolution. Who stands to gain from the civil war unfolding in the West? China, for one.

I remember when "the Weakest Link" began, with its strong female host berating and humiliating her guests, I suspected that we were entering a new paradigm. People were willing to be publically flagellated in order to gain their 30 seconds of fame. We've seen many professions and roles dissected and undermined in TV and film drama since then - teachers, nurses, doctors, soldiers, parents, grandparents.

The white, British general public has little faith in anything any more. Politics, government, journalism, sport, education, medicine, business, retail, hospitality - each has been shown to be corruptible and shallow. The only growth shown in what people will put their faith in is Celebrity - TOWIE, X Factor, Cowell and Beckham are revered. Not only have we been dumbed down intellectually, we have been dumbed down emotionally and spiritually. Yet on forums such as this we still have sceptics refusing to believe that any of this is happening. I wouldn't include you in that group Eric.

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Spot on, that's how you demoralize and destabilize a nation :thumbup: crisis next..

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Re: Anne Robinson, some men like a bit of humiliation and always have.


I agree with most of that but I don't see how that relates to the initial point that I bolded about the media. I can only say it as I see it and I can't say I have ever felt persecuted by the media as a white male. I don't feel self-conscious or judged when I walk down the street.


I was on holiday with friends recently and got more and more irate at them wasting the holiday sitting around on their phones following their same mundane daily routine.

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I know someone who does that, it really boils my piss. :angry:

I agree with a lot of the above.
It seems to me since the turn of the country that there been a massive dumbing down of culture and people are obsessed with minor celebrity shit, wannabees, and utter inane drivel like TOWIE and the Beckhams.

I remember on Saturday nights they used to show things like 'a touch of frost' which at least made people think, now it's playing on mass addiction of crappy talent shows.

I'd disagree about the so-called progressive being one blame and controlling the media. The BBC has its faults but give me that rather then the likes of Fox News. The telegraph, Mail, Sun, Express are hardly progressive and they've a fair share of refers and seem to have a closeness with the current government.

I don't agree about the white person being the poor oppressed these days. We're still the richest most dominant culture on this planet and all the bollocks Breitbart, infor wars etc isn't going to chane that, rather it gets hem more clicks and more money.

Which leads us to the likes of Dianld trump. Yes the swamp may need draining but a billionaire narcistc arsehole who only cares about his name and the increasing wealth and power of his family isn't the answer.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Here's a thought , should MP's simply vote in line with the wishes of thier constituents.

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No. MPs should be in a position where they can make more educated decisions based on facts and considerations of experts and people highly educated in their fields. Basing decisions on the whim of an easily swayed electorate, many of whom would rather use emotions and misguided opinions than facts, cannot be sensible and has the potential to be dangerous.

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No. MPs should be in a position where they can make more educated decisions based on facts and considerations of experts and people highly educated in their fields. Basing decisions on the whim of an easily swayed electorate, many of whom would rather use emotions and misguided opinions than facts, cannot be sensible and has the potential to be dangerous.

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That's a scary reply :hehe: why vote for any of them then?

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That's a scary reply :hehe: why vote for any of them then?

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MP's are elected to represent their constituents, after being elected by their constituents at the ballot box, that's democracy. I've never voted for a Tory, but have had to stomach the Tory Governments of Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron and currently May because a majority, (in the current system we use) have voted that way, I tend to think that if another EU vote was taken, the margin to exit would be greater because of the continual, and the manner of sulking, scaremongering etc. etc. that has been seen going on ever since. I still think however, that by some miraculous miracle, a stage managed solution will be made for the UK to remain in the EU. The liberals fought a lone ticket pro-eu election and got murdered at the ballot box, yet Cable is still treating the electorate as idiots and not even contemplating why just over 50% of the voters said FU to the EU. :sherlock:

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I agree with a lot of the above.
It seems to me since the turn of the country that there been a massive dumbing down of culture and people are obsessed with minor celebrity shit, wannabees, and utter inane drivel like TOWIE and the Beckhams.

I remember on Saturday nights they used to show things like 'a touch of frost' which at least made people think, now it's playing on mass addiction of crappy talent shows.

I'd disagree about the so-called progressive being one blame and controlling the media. The BBC has its faults but give me that rather then the likes of Fox News. The telegraph, Mail, Sun, Express are hardly progressive and they've a fair share of refers and seem to have a closeness with the current government.

I don't agree about the white person being the poor oppressed these days. We're still the richest most dominant culture on this planet and all the bollocks Breitbart, infor wars etc isn't going to chane that, rather it gets hem more clicks and more money.

Which leads us to the likes of Dianld trump. Yes the swamp may need draining but a billionaire narcistc arsehole who only cares about his name and the increasing wealth and power of his family isn't the answer.

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Saturday night TV has usually been dire/populist over the decades - and I don't think that things have been dumbed down but that there has always been a huge demand for pleb-fodder from the media.