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The establishment have thrown the kitchen sink at him in one of the dirtiest elections in decades, and now the people decide.
Whatever the press are saying, the outcome will boil down to a choice between economic nationalism v globalisation and the stakes couldn't be higher.
Last I heard he was behind in the polls, so there is no favourite in this race.
Is that the same establishment that rightly threw the kitchen sink at Weinstein. I know you have not been following this closely but if you had you might be better placed and feel a bit cleaner being able to call out a scumbag regardless of the political clothes they wear. Getting elected or not doesn't change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It's not for me to say, the good people of Alabama will decide the outcome. Moore is going to be tried in the court of puplic opinion on the available facts, and that is a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
It's not a jury of 12 fair people though is it? Whoever said that a chimpanzee could be elected if it was nominated as a candidate for Labour in a general election would have this with knobs on for a Republican in a Alabama. The fact that you are staging some kind of drama says it all about what a scumbag Moore is if you think that this was not a slam dunk after Sessions left! Don't confuse that for some kind of moral clearance though as you tie your colours to his mast!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You say the accusers claims should be believed, yet you are ignoring the local independent witnesses who have come out to refute those claims. Is does seem like you are a fan of kangaroo courts!Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
You believe Moore. I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Is it as simple as this?
How about the witnesses who worked at restaurant, managed the mall, were related the accuser, and even dated the accuser during the same timeframe. Are they liars too? All I am asking for is due process, because unlike you I have no idea if he is innocent or guilty. With your biased thinking, it's a very good thing that you aren't in charge of delivering capital punishment!Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Sometimes, after all has been debated from all angles (to no conclusion), it comes down to a gut feeling or a hunch.
That has never been any different - likely to become ever more so I'd guess.
Not being inclined to believe someone is not the same as sentencing them to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
A Judge and Jury and Lawyers take care of the real stuff. As you know, obviously.
Get them all in court under forensic cross-examination!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vimto
Thought I read you paid little attention to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Pizzagate
Sandy Hook
Imran Awan
Uraniam One
Anything else you've kangaroo hopped to a conclusion without a court?
Are you saying all of the above are nothingburgers?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
No just that you seem to use a different burden of proof when forming your opinions on what is right or wrong (or what to sit on the fence about). You don't need a judge to form an opinion or stick your neck out and if your judgment is wrong, big shit! It's a message board not the US justice system. Even if it was presumably the justice system would be riddled with deep state/establishment/globalist/Soros/Clinton plants so if someone got prosecuted it would be tainted in your head. I have not seen you identify a pure a prosecutor or member of the judiciary (Roy Moore aside) that had the purity to conclude on civil or criminal case so who would you trust to give you the comfort that all is well whilst the swamp gurgles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
All I've done is point out contradictions to the mainstream narrative, I've never declared anybody innocent or guilty. At the moment the majority are still sucking up everything that the MSM throw at them, but it will only take one case for people to start questioning things a bit more than they do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ct-allegations
:hehe:
Yeeeeh Haaaw. Ding dang diddly dooo.
Secret super PAC backing Jones in Alabama exposed
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-senate-290502
First CNN Exit Polls:
Opinion of Doug Jones
Favorable 49%
Unfavorable 49%
Opinion of Roy Moore
Favorable 42%
Unfavorable 55%
Moore was waiting for God to show up it seems.
Seems like God stood him up.
Oh dear, what a pity, nevermind...
Moore demanding a recount. I know that they have hangings in Alabama but not too sure about hanging chads! A state that Trump took by 28% last year falls despite his manic endorsement of a fatally flawed breitbart-backed candidate. Still Jones, like Trump has never previously held public office so at least Gluey should approve!Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
Did he lose because he holds views on homosexuality, race and non-christian religions that don't belong in the 21st century? Or because the establishment threw the kitchen sink at him?
I'm unconvinced the people of Alabama were voting on globalisation in this particular one but Trump is certainly in a bit more trouble than he was before. 51-49 in the senate now and he was struggling before that.
I am waiting for WB to tell us why and he is probably waiting until the Breitbart community coalesces around their conspiracy theory of choice. At the moment they have Democrats and Republicans working together (Uniparty), hacked computers, Soros, democrats stuffing ballot boxes and forged write-ins in play but it is fast moving so there could be another that comes from left field before it settles.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Excellent news, he would be a liability for any party, especially now that the Democrats have weoponised accusations. It may backfire though, as there are 264 sealed abuse settlements sitting in congress waiting to be exposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It is also now clear that the public will not tolerate any mention of abuse towards children, which is a very good thing.
I hope the woman accusing Moore win their court case and he is help accountable for his crimes.
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Without the distraction of Moore, Trump will be in a stronger position going into the midterm elections next year. With such a slender majority the onus will now be on all of the republicans to fall into line. The voters are watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Anyway, that was yesterday's news. There are a few things going on in the DOJ regarding the Fusion GPS dossier. Interesting times ahead.
It happened in the last couple of hours, hardly yesterday's news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Interesting that you think this defeat makes trump stronger. Would love to see some workings that aren't utter bullshit.
ah.... the sound of someone toppling backwards off a fence!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Of course he will be stronger now that the democrats have weoponised accusations. Everybody is guilty by accusation now, but it works both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
The people of Alabama have decided who they want and they are the ones who will have to live with their choice. Due process is now dead. It makes no difference to me, I just see it as an interesting development.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
What did you think pizzagate was?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The lines have just been redrawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Ah you never fail to make me laugh WB.
I've said this before, no doubt I'll say it again, but I am amazed you're not getting paid for this. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
tbf he is taking it better than this Breitbart contributor!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
This pacifism crap, oh the most ultra liberal just won Alabama no big deal is ridiculous. This is war people. Obama and Hillary funded by Soros are litterally taking over the Country. If it can happen to Alabama it will happen in every state way easier. The time to rise up and take to the streets is now! Time to shoot some liberals! Shoot Jones in the pgking face and start a new election! The time is now!
Jeez. Who do they bat for?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Remember Homer in the Flaming Mo episode?
Replace 'Mo.. Mo.. Mo .. Mo.. Mo.. Mo.. Mo.. ' with .. ah whatever .
And it's started already .. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...k-schumer.html
Now about those 264 "sealed abuse" settlements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Well it would appear there are 264 financial settlements made out of the public purse attributed to settlements against politicians and employees. The list covers 13 different statutes such as the overtime provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act, the Family and Medical Leave Act, and the Americans with Disabilities Act. A large portion of cases originate from employing offices in the legislative branch other than the House of Representatives or the Senate.
Indeed the Office of Compliance has confirmed that since 2013 only one settlement was made against a politician for sexual harassment, the Texas Republican Blake Farenthold where an aide was paid $84000. In another instance a $150k settlement was made to an investigator who refused to act on Republican senator Trey Gowdy's direction as Chair of the House Benghazi Committee to focus his work on Hilary Clinton.
It would appear that Conyers got round this by settling outside this process by using their own office budgets so as you say some other apples may fall from the tree which may justify your hyperbole and dramatic build up.
https://www.compliance.gov/sites/def...ropriation.pdf