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I thought I knew the offside rule.
Something must have changed.
Kane clearly in offside position when ball played forward by Spurs player.
Lovren made contact and, according to the officials and pundits, played Kane onside.
However Kane's initial offside a split second earlier should have been penalised.
Justice done with pen save.
Same here. How can he not be active when the initial ball was played through?!?!
A case of officials not knowing the rules - as it was when Hoilett had a goal chalked off at QPR. Complete opposite situations with two wrong decisions.
I thought it was the correct decision because
1 loveren made a **** of himself
2 Liverpool are scum
Klop ain’t happy
https://twitter.com/robboma24/status/960228565026471937
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Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
It was an interesting one. Here are the offside laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-...w-11---offside
As I understand it, the three rules affecting this incident are
1) Being in an offside position is not an offence
2) Kane doesn't make 'an obvious attempt to clearly impact on the ability of the opponent to play the ball'
3) Lovren 'deliberately plays the ball'
That's why the decision was correct by the letter of the law, I think, but I still agree with you.
Even though Kane doesn't affect Lovren's ability to play the ball, the fact that he is standing so close to him means it affects how Lovren can play it. He can't take a touch then clear it in case Kane jumps on the touch, he can't leave it for the keeper because he doesn't know if Kane is offside or not so he's forced to take a swing at it which leads to the penalty.
There was an incident earlier when the linesman didn't put his flag up till the last second which led to a collision between the striker and the keeper. Football's got some odd rules.
I don't care as long as the Scousers drop points and never win a raffle
I've had a look at the FA rules as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Kane is influencing whether Lovren plays the ball.
Maybe further debate will be held at the FA about the fact that Kane was 'active' when the ball was played.
Common sense tells you that Kane is affecting play by being there but the rules don't seem to cover the advantage he's gaining, unless I've missed something. The fact that he doesn't move towards Lovren or the ball (or obstruct his view) seems to make it ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
They should go back to offside being offside. If I wanted complicated rules and interpretation I’d watch rugby.
What's complicated about rules in rugby? I think you may be confusing complicated with not understandingQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas
Klopp has made 96 changes to his starting eleven .
Yeah, I don’t understand them because they are complicated. On telly they explain decisions on the screen. Even the players on the pitch have to be told what the f•ck is going on by the ref FFS :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
They're trying a new rule to stop the scrum half throwing the ball straight to the back row. I think the refs in rugby are a lot better and will explain his decision. I understand the rules so I must be super intelligent:biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas
Wasn't it Cloughie who said "if he's not interfering with play he shouldn't be on the pitch"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Bizarre decision of why Kane wasn't deemed offside made worse by Dermot Gallagher's explanation.
I assume that the 'interfering with play' thing was so vague that they brought in laws to clarify it but, as the Kane incident showed, the laws don't quite make sense. Gallagher was only explaining what the rules are and that the officials got it right, even though we could all see that the law is an ass in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
The second penalty was a definite one, quite funny too. Klopp was an ass afterwards.
If what Gallagher says is correct and is now the rule then firstly, I did not know that and secondly, the law is ridiculous mun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Going the same way as rugby union. Too many rules but worse, overcomplicating a simple game!
I thought you were only allowed to make 3 subs!Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
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Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas
They play some good football at the moment though. I'd rather Liverpool and spurs both got champions league football, at the expense of Chelsea or Man UQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The ref used the 4th offical in this incident,He pointed to the spot seconds after asking if the 4th offical could help.
I cant' remember where but away under dave jones a 4th offical ruled out a goal from 50 yards away.
I think we had a goal disallowed at Millwall due to 4th official getting involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by dandywarhol
Thanks you've got a better memory than meQuote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot..._1/9426549.stmQuote:
Originally Posted by dandywarhol
Almost correct - He ruled out a penalty decision.
Still unclear, for example if a player is standing in an offside position when a shot is taken (not interfering with play) and then that shot rebounds of the keeper and the offside player is able to score, guarantee 100% of the time that goal will not stand.
There was a similar incident in the Southampton game on Saturday (?), albeit the player missed but the flag had already gone up.
Lovren can't let the ball run through to Kane, because he might be able to score. With stuff like this, you're going to get defenders letting balls run through if they think a player is offside so this doesn't happen.
The rule is about as clear as mud. Surprise, surprise Dermot defending the officials on his Ref Watch on Monday. Total waste of a programme, and why VAR will never work.
Webb has defended them as well, while Hackett and Clattenburg who have axes to grind have said it was the wrong call. Shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
That's the exception. A save doesn't play an offside player back onside, any other deliberate playing of the ball by an opponent does.Quote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
Is this actually written anywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
What about a clearance off the line if the keeper has gone walkies?
So what about if Lovren hooks it off the line?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
I've watched the second penalty many times. I still can't decide if it was a penalty. To me, it looks as if he pulled out of the challenge at the last second.
That counts as a save. For the purposes of the offside rule 'a save is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body apart from the hands/arms (unless a goalkeeper within the penalty area).'Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-...w-11---offside
To be honest, I don't think the offside laws are that complicated. The problem is that they're unfair on defenders in situations like Sunday. It has to be nonsense to claim that forward players aren't active (interfering with play) when it's clear that they are affecting how a defender deals with a pass or cross. Kane was standing within a yard or two of Lovren yet wasn't 'active'. Crazy.
Back and fore, back and fore, we can all debate as much as we like, it comes back to, "within the laws of the game it was a pelenty" (I don't agree with it) BUT
It still comes back to MOSS guessed,he did not know for sure, that any Liverpool defender touched the ball
The arrogant tw^t GUESSED
Thanks, make sense why they are always flagged then. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
I think the second part of what you say is correct. I've seen strikers be offside, wait for defenders to cut the ball out and then nick it off them and go through. It's becoming a joke and we need tighter laws on who is active.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
I don't like it when a striker starts offside, and then trundles into the box to score from the cross.