Why wasn't Emilio on an easyjet flight.?
For ****s sake
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Why wasn't Emilio on an easyjet flight.?
For ****s sake
As a professional pilot myself , I have more than a passing interest in yesterday’s events.
What’s slightly baffling is that Emilio flew into Cardiff from Nantes on Friday to sign his contract and complete his medical On an Eclipse 500 , a state of the art light twin jet operated by these guys https://www.channeljets.com ,a proper commercialy licensed air taxi firm operating on a commercial air operators certificate.
It does beg the question how was he allowed to fly back to Cardiff on Monday night on a single engine aircraft albieit a very high spec one , at night , over water and in the middle of winter , and on a privately owned and operated aircraft rather than a commercial operator and was this sanctioned by the club or was it left down to the player to make his own travel arrangements ?
It does seem a bizarre way to look after your record £15m signing.
Very odd.....why not use same firm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird
I'm sure I read somewhere that he flew back to Nantes on the same aircraft and complained that the flight was very bumpy ...... I might be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird
Apparently He flew back to Nantes on Saturday on said aircraft.
I have an uneasy feeling that theses flights were operated by a someone doing a “favour” for the club rather than a proper Commercial air taxi firm which they should have used.
Who owns the plane he was on?
Surely they could be in the receiving end of a mega-law suit if it gets proved that the plane was at fault.
If not and it’s not and it’s “act of god” then any insurance claim would be invalid ( not that money matters but it is a lot )
It's so difficult under these circumstances...... What if this, what if that, what if, so many questions and unfortunately I don't think we'll ever know what really happened. Only the man upstairs has all the answers
Dalman confirmed they offered him commercial transport but player turned it down. Looks like his sorted this himself or through Nantes.
After paying £15m for him I would be looking to protect my record investment and would be insisting that he travelled on the transport arranged by the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Parry
Such an avoidable and unnecessary waste of life.
The plane belonged to Tan according to quotes from his mother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Parry
It was being reported yesterday that the missing plane is owned by Tan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Parry
It has also been reported it isn't. We don't know, so let's not speculate.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
You lot are F....ing unbelievable. Starting and contributing to a thread like this to beat the club over the head - again. You just cant help yourselves can you. Disgraceful.
Horacio Sala relató que están en comunicación con el Cardiff, pero que aún no tienen novedades sobrelo que ha podido ocurrir con el avión en el que viajaba el jugador. «El avión es del Presidente del Cardiff City. Nos informaron que el avión había desaparecido y que lo estaban buscando».
Horacio Sala said that they are in contact with Cardiff, but are yet to receive further info.....” The plane belongs to the chairman of Cardiff City. We were informed that the plane had disappeared and that it was being searched for”
BBC are now quoting Dalman as saying Sala made his own arrangements. Why? The mystery as to why he was on a non commercial flight deepens. If he had already made a return journey by commercial air taxi, surely the club would make the same arrangement and not expect a player to make his own arrangements. An iota of common sense would dictate against single engine/nightime/worsening weathet flight. Something does not add up. Confirming who the pilot was might begin to shed some light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird
This is not about the club. It’s about the player and why the feck he was travelling in a tinpot airplane. You need to get a hold on your persecution complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
The plane is not owned by Tan.
We don't know why though, we know he was on a plane and that's it. Why speculate? It doesn't do any good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Even driving up, must have done that route 20 times, sure he would be here next day but with all his stuff in the boot, easy, and cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird
Ifs and buts I know. Guess people just think it’s only 50 mins in a plane etc...what could go wrong?
That’s what I’d think, he can afford far better and after the Leicester crash I bet he won’t travel on just anything.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird
No - its about people trying to speculate and blame the club and individuals within it, at a time when all we should be doing is showing compassion, support and shared grief for the individuals concerned and their families. Most people have managed to do this excellently but some just cant help themselves. The reason why 'no one else has said it' is because saying it shows a total lack of compassion and understanding of the situation and how it is affecting people within the club, only 24 hours after the incident happened. I saw our CEO facing the media yesterday with tears in his eyes and speaking excellently about the player and how the club felt about what had happened. Pity that people like you cant show the same dignity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
There will inevitably be recriminations. Whether Tan owned the plane or the club organised the flight is completely immaterial at this stage. Now is far far too early to be even discussing these matters.
The reason why no one else has said it is because it need not be said. Yes we may all be thinking it as it's an obvious thing to ask yourself but one should keep these types of thoughts to oneself in these tragic circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by dandywarhol
Please stop speculating. Nobody has been confirmed dead yet, and we have no idea what happened so cannot say that anything that has or has not happened is avoidable and unnessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird
I understand the desire to try to guess what has happened here and I am not suggesting that what anybody is saying is unlikely, but there are very few facts and very many unknowns at this stage. Difficult though it is, the only real thing to do now is sit tight and wait for actual news rather than second-guessing as the latter helps nobody.
Definitely this all we can do at the moment is hope that in some miracle he survives this tragic eventQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Oh please, this is a forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Hopefully, this will put an end to some of the speculation.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...liano-15719483
Before you get on your 'high horse' why dont you read some of the things other people have said about this thread above. If you think it is ok to post stuff like this anywhere at this time, then you are just as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
The french authorities yesterday said the plane was french owned but not registered in france.
Not sure why they said that - widely reported it was owned by a company in england possibly linked to an agentQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Two things. It’s a normal reaction to be angry and to think “what if?” and “what the f**k”. Exasperation is normal when a young person dies in an unexpected and avoidable accident. So how does that manifest itself? In people looking for answers. Nobody has blamed the the board (board , not club) but if there are things that jump out at you as being a bit weird, the first thing you ask is “could the people in charge have done anything to avoid it?”. Had he crashed on a commercial flight people would be asking the same questions of the airline company or the pilots. When something tragic like this happens it’s obvious people are going to reach out to make sense of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Secondly, nobody is doubting Ken Choo and the rest of the board’s sadness, nor is anyone accusing them of acting unprofessionally since the news emerged.
You seem to consider EVERYTHING to be a premeditated and calculated attack on the board and owners.
The aircraft was an N reg aircraft which means its registered in America on the FAA database.
It’s registered to a consultancy firm in Suffolk who specialise in setting up trusts to allow individuals or companies to set aircraft up on the American register but operate them in the UK.
It also makes it harder to establish the real owner of the aircraft.
The plane is not owned by CCFC but belongs to Willie McKay, father of Sala's agent:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lie-McKay.html
Still a lot is unknown though and will emerge in the days ahead and accusations or speculation without all the facts is counter-productive.
But I do think it proper for the Club to satisfy itself it did everything it should have given the investment in the player who had become one of its a major assets. That includes considering fairly promptly the continued future of CCFC in its struggle to remain a PL outfit.
Whatever the reaction is, it is not right to air these in public and speculate about them under 48 hours after the accident and before Sala is even pronounced deceased. Anyone can read these message boards, including players, friends, family etc and some posters are coming across as heartless and mercenary in their comments. There is a time and a place for discussions like this and this isn't it. Even in your comments above, you do give the impression that you have an 'agenda' in what you say by your faint praise of the way Ken Choo has acted - please explain what could he have done before the incident to avoid it happening, bearing in mind the confirmation that the plane and travel arrangements were nothing to do with the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Is there any truth that the plane had to take a number of goes to take off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird
Also, weren't single engined planes banned by France at one point?