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A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...
...but we aren't the only casualties of that howler.
I know it's only notional but had Chelsea not picked up 3 points that day, Arsenal would got the Champions League spot and Chelsea the Europa League.
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Was it the worst decision of the season? The only one I think comes close was another one against us. The failure to award a penalty in the home game against Watford.
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simonp_ccfc
Was it the worst decision of the season? The only one I think comes close was another one against us. The failure to award a penalty in the home game against Watford.
The reversal of the pelanty awarded at Burnley !!!
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Its a very good illustration of how a seemingly isolated incident can have ramifications far further and more important to some people than might be imagined.
Perfect example of the ripples made by dropping a pebble in a pool of water.
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....or a butterfly fluttering it's wings in a Brazilian jungle.
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BLUETIT
The reversal of the pelanty awarded at Burnley !!!
Unfortunately, that was the correct decision.
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BLUETIT
The reversal of the pelanty awarded at Burnley !!!
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bobh
Unfortunately, that was the correct decision.
Was it bollox, !!!!!!!
How come the defender looked so guilty ????
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BLUETIT
Was it bollox, !!!!!!!
How come the defender looked so guilty ????
They showed it on ref watch and explained it. Can't recall why it was correct, but it was.
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bobh
They showed it on ref watch and explained it. Can't recall why it was correct, but it was.
Seen that myself and all he said was “he could see why he reversed it”, he never said it was the correct decision !!!!!
It was handball, the same as what was given AGAINST us at home to Newcastle
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Our goal to win at home against Brighton was pretty bad. I firmly believe that Chelsea result would have inspired us and Brighton would have shit themselves.
Flip it around though and without that win against Brighton maybe we never get close enough to test them.
For me the non award of the penalty home to Watford was the worst of the lot. Ref has clear sight of it, not far from him and its nailed on. He actually saw it far closer than I did and decided not to give it. Least with Chelsea the linesman didn't get himself in the right position to have a choice to make.
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simonp_ccfc
Was it the worst decision of the season?
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the comedy penalty at Old Trafford last weekend. Can you imagine Warnock's reaction if a penalty like that had been given against City in a game that had something riding on it? Oddly, he didn't complain about the quality of the officials at Manchester.
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The Lone Gunman
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the comedy penalty at Old Trafford last weekend. Can you imagine Warnock's reaction if a penalty like that had been given against City in a game that had something riding on it? Oddly, he didn't complain about the quality of the officials at Manchester.
Oh come on!! we all know it doesn't count if it's in our favour. It's just luck then!! :hehe:
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xsnaggle
Oh come on!! we all know it doesn't count if it's in our favour. It's just luck then!! :hehe:
The point is that the dodgy penalty at Old Trafford, the, marginally, offside winner against Brighton and Gunnar getting away with the sort of penalty area wrestling hold that are commonly committed on our captain against Chelsea were the only occasions where a major match affecting decision went in our favour - the only time we had the "rub of the green" (the reversed penalty against Huddersfield should not be counted because it ensured that the correct decision was made).
Off the top of my head, I can think of a dubious penalties against us for Bournemouth and Newcastle, a very strong claim for one at Everton, an obvious one against Watford, a whole host of decisions which went Chelsea's way, what happened at Burnley and fouls on Morrison in the penalty area by Liverpool and Fulham players as instances where we had justifiable complaint against the performance of match officials.
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If our home results had been better against Burnely, Huddersfield, Leicester and Newcastle , these decisions would not be such a talking point .
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If my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle...
No wait not in this gender neutral era.
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the other bob wilson
The point is that the dodgy penalty at Old Trafford, the, marginally, offside winner against Brighton and Gunnar getting away with the sort of penalty area wrestling hold that are commonly committed on our captain against Chelsea were the only occasions where a major match affecting decision went in our favour - the only time we had the "rub of the green" (the reversed penalty against Huddersfield should not be counted because it ensured that the correct decision was made).
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Are you serious?!? The correct decision indeed.....
How about the blatant penalty that wasn't given against Southampton?
Weren't Arsenal denied a clear penalty at the Emirates before half-time?
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The Lone Gunman
:hehe:
Are you serious?!? The correct decision indeed.....
How about the blatant penalty that wasn't given against Southampton?
Weren't Arsenal denied a clear penalty at the Emirates before half-time?
Yes, it was the correct decision, the initial contact was made outside the penalty area as I recall. As for the other incidents you mention I cannot recall them, but are you seriously claiming that decisions have evened themselves out over the course of the season as the cliche goes as far as City are concerned because, believe me, they haven't.
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Its all irrelevant.
But lets face it only the most anti Cardiff people would even try to put forward an argument that things evened out.
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the other bob wilson
Yes, it was the correct decision, the initial contact was made outside the penalty area as I recall. As for the other incidents you mention I cannot recall them, but are you seriously claiming that decisions have evened themselves out over the course of the season as the cliche goes as far as City are concerned because, believe me, they haven't.
Eg.
Liverpool Morrison fouled no pen. Salah fouled pen.
Not that it makes a difference but Morrison was the one with a clearer chance.
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the other bob wilson
Yes, it was the correct decision, the initial contact was made outside the penalty area as I recall. As for the other incidents you mention I cannot recall them, but are you seriously claiming that decisions have evened themselves out over the course of the season as the cliche goes as far as City are concerned because, believe me, they haven't.
No, I'd say City definitely had the rough end of the stick on balance, but a lot of the decisions people (including yourself) now claim were certain fouls/penalties were actually debatable at best, while a number of similar incidents immediately got forgotten because they went in Cardiff's favour. You've proved that in this thread. For instance, even Warnock said Arsenal should have had a first half penalty!
As for the Huddersfield thing, you're having a laugh. Every pundit who reviewed it on TV thought it was a blatant penalty, and there's a reason for that. City definitely got away with one there.
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The Lone Gunman
No, I'd say City definitely had the rough end of the stick on balance, but a lot of the decisions people (including yourself) now claim were certain fouls/penalties were actually debatable at best, while a number of similar incidents immediately got forgotten because they went in Cardiff's favour. You've proved that in this thread. For instance, even Warnock said Arsenal should have had a first half penalty!
As for the Huddersfield thing, you're having a laugh. Every pundit who reviewed it on TV thought it was a blatant penalty, and there's a reason for that. City definitely got away with one there.
Were you as anti City, when you used to support them?
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JDerrida
Were you as anti City, when you used to support them?
I’m not anti-City all. On the contrary, although I’m no longer a supporter as such, I was very keen for the club to stay in the Premier League. However, the pro-City bias some exhibit when discussing issues like refereeing decisions is laughable. There is seldom any balance.
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The Lone Gunman
I’m not anti-City all. On the contrary, although I’m no longer a supporter as such, I was very keen for the club to stay in the Premier League. However, the pro-City bias some exhibit when discussing issues like refereeing decisions is laughable. There is seldom any balance.
Why should there be balance?
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The Lone Gunman
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the comedy penalty at Old Trafford last weekend. Can you imagine Warnock's reaction if a penalty like that had been given against City in a game that had something riding on it? Oddly, he didn't complain about the quality of the officials at Manchester.
Nothing odd about it.
He couldn't afford to.
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Of course weve had decisions in our favour but its been commented by plenty of independents about the shockers weve had. Even Adrian feckin Durham has gone on about it.
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The Lone Gunman
No, I'd say City definitely had the rough end of the stick on balance, but a lot of the decisions people (including yourself) now claim were certain fouls/penalties were actually debatable at best, while a number of similar incidents immediately got forgotten because they went in Cardiff's favour. You've proved that in this thread. For instance, even Warnock said Arsenal should have had a first half penalty!
As for the Huddersfield thing, you're having a laugh. Every pundit who reviewed it on TV thought it was a blatant penalty, and there's a reason for that. City definitely got away with one there.
Just watched the Huddersfield incident again on the club website - first contact is a good two yards outside the penalty area and then the player decides to fall down once he inside the box. Bennett may have been a bit cute in making sure there was contact with his opponent, but if that was a penalty, we should have had about fifteen of them for fouls on Morrison.
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the other bob wilson
Just watched the Huddersfield incident again on the club website - first contact is a good two yards outside the penalty area and then the player decides to fall down once he inside the box. Bennett may have been a bit cute in making sure there was contact with his opponent, but if that was a penalty, we should have had about fifteen of them for fouls on Morrison.
15 may be an understatement. Hes had nothing all season.
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On holiday the other week and on two separate occasions blokes came up to me and brought the subject up about our misfortunes with refereeing decisions. One was a Sheffield Utd fan who was expecting the same treatment next season. It seems our woes hadn’t gone unnoticed by others. I was obviously recognised due to me sporting a Bluebird thong👍
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BLUETIT
Was it bollox, !!!!!!!
How come the defender looked so guilty ????
Penalty should have been for the first handball, not the one which it was given for
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The Lone Gunman
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Are you serious?!? The correct decision indeed.....
How about the blatant penalty that wasn't given against Southampton?
Weren't Arsenal denied a clear penalty at the Emirates before half-time?
Arsenal should have been down to 10 men for the diving by then.
We had 2 big appeals against Huddersfield as well - one which was well before any controversy.
Southampton one they should have had - Manga on Redmond. But hardly blatant !
Even you can’t argue against the fact we’ve had the shitty end of the stick.
The one v Brighton was arguable as well as many have said the ball was flicked on by a Brighton player.
( Personally I think maybe not, but even then not an easy one to pick - unlike the Watford, Everton and Burnley penalties)
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splott parker
On holiday the other week and on two separate occasions blokes came up to me and brought the subject up about our misfortunes with refereeing decisions. One was a Sheffield Utd fan who was expecting the same treatment next season. It seems our woes hadn’t gone unnoticed by others. I was obviously recognised due to me sporting a Bluebird thong👍
Burnley fan was telling me the same a few days ago
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as I've said before...if the gunnar foul on the chelsea centre back at chelseas first corner was given...the fouls on morrison and the offside goal wouldn't have happened.
and as for bambas offside goal being marginal..dream on..he was around the same distance offside as dave was for chelsea...have another look.
i have to say that morrison generally has bern grabbed a lot..and it's not as if it's a 50/50 thing as all morrison ever wants to do is head the ball.
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kendoddsdadsdogsdead
as I've said before...if the gunnar foul on the chelsea centre back at chelseas first corner was given...the fouls on morrison and the offside goal wouldn't have happened.
and as for bambas offside goal being marginal..dream on..he was around the same distance offside as dave was for chelsea...have another look.
i have to say that morrison generally has bern grabbed a lot..and it's not as if it's a 50/50 thing as all morrison ever wants to do is head the ball.
The sedate about the Bamba one was whether the ball was flicked on by one of ours or one of theirs.
It was also pretty chaotic in there.
The Chelsea offside would have been obvious for the linesman had he not decided not to try to look around William.
Agree on the Gunnar one, but the same could be said of the Huddersfield penalty after we’d had one turned down
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BLUETIT
The reversal of the pelanty awarded at Burnley !!!
That though was the right decision :facepalm:
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Trigger
Our goal to win at home against Brighton was pretty bad. I firmly believe that Chelsea result would have inspired us and Brighton would have shit themselves.
Flip it around though and without that win against Brighton maybe we never get close enough to test them.
For me the non award of the penalty home to Watford was the worst of the lot. Ref has clear sight of it, not far from him and its nailed on. He actually saw it far closer than I did and decided not to give it. Least with Chelsea the linesman didn't get himself in the right position to have a choice to make.
So we lose 5-2 to Watford? I don't see the significance.
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Cretin Hop
That though was the right decision :facepalm:
See post on page 1
No it was not wrong, in fact we should have had 2 pelantys
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NYCBlue
So we lose 5-2 to Watford? I don't see the significance.
It would have made it 1-1 at half time.
No way would we have lost 5-2 from there.
At the end of the day though it’s all done and dusted now . It won’t change so we move on
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Lawnmower
It would have made it 1-1 at half time.
No way would we have lost 5-2 from there.
At the end of the day though it’s all done and dusted now . It won’t change so we move on
You're right that nothing will change. But Watford DESTROYED us over both games. That 3-2 up at their place was an insult to them.
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NYCBlue
You're right that nothing will change. But Watford DESTROYED us over both games. That 3-2 up at their place was an insult to them.
Strange game that, lashing down with rain, absolutely battered for 80 odd minutes then we score and they panicked, we get another and they were melting. Another five minutes and I’d have backed us to draw level. It was amazing how they switched off after being so much in control. Unfortunately for them they displayed that ten minutes of defending for ninety minutes yesterday.
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splott parker
On holiday the other week and on two separate occasions blokes came up to me and brought the subject up about our misfortunes with refereeing decisions. One was a Sheffield Utd fan who was expecting the same treatment next season. It seems our woes hadn’t gone unnoticed by others. I was obviously recognised due to me sporting a Bluebird thong
I've recently had similar comments from Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Man United and West Ham fans (all accompanied by commiserations and sympathies about the Emiliano Sala tragedy). I think most pundits and opposition fans would agree that Cardiff (and Huddersfield) had the rough end of the stick with refereeing decisions last season. Got a few in our favour; got a lot against.