Lives vs. livelihoods & a gutted UK economy

I've been persuaded that protecting and prolonging the lives of those most susceptible to COVID-19 and other coronaviruses is more important than returning to how we used to live and for the great majority of us we must reluctantly accept that we will have to adapt to a much lower standard of living going forward until effective vaccines are developed to combat the threat of any coronavirus killing Britons prematurely.

Continuing with the necessary restrictions the government introduced during March is essential to save British lives. Social distancing is the most critical feature used to limit the spread of this COVID-19 outbreak. It has to be retained as a permanent feature in the months and years ahead but must be hugely enlarged and rigidly enforced.

Millions of citizens will become permanently unemployed because a greatly damaged economy will be unable to generate enough employment opportunities to satisfy demand. That and a decline in the disposable income of the great majority of the rest of the population will almost certainly result in social tensions leading to a burgeoning crime rate borne of desperate people resorting to street muggings, home burglaries, looting commercial premises along with participating in large scale public disorder and rioting.

A national mandatory photo ID scheme is desperately required to help meet the challenges of locking down millions of people to a higher degree than what we witness today. By this Christmas, perhaps, all citizens aged 10 and above will have to carry a photo ID card in a public place and produce it at the request of a lawful authority. A suitably punitive fine to ensure most adults and their aged 10-18 children, for which their parent/s or legal guardian would be liable to pay, would ensure a high compliancy rate.

The state should embark on an immediate police recruitment drive to bolster numbers to meet and contain the very real threat of this country descending into chaos. Militarise that force by issuing every officer with a handgun. The number of their auxiliary colleagues (PCSOs) must also be doubled or tripled as a matter of urgency. Supply them with tasers and the authority to use them. In addition, recruit many thousands of social distance monitors whose task it will be to identify and fine those who commit flagrant breaches of life saving rules. Current penalties are a joke; increase the fine to £1,000 that would be reduced to £500 if paid in full within 7 days. For those who don't then apply an attachment order to their income, whether it be wages or benefits, in order that they are forced to pay at source at a set amount per week. For those who it might be trickier to collect from - some self-employed, for example - then seize their identifiable assets to match the sum outstanding, else imprison them as a last resort.

An acceptance that pubs, clubs, restaurants and cafes may never reopen and that attending any occasion where large groups of people were allowed to gather, such as sporting and musical events, are worth sacrificing to help protect the health of fellow Britons then the easier it will be to adjust to a future and enduring new normal.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I've been persuaded that protecting and prolonging the lives of those most susceptible to COVID-19 and other coronaviruses is more important than returning to how we used to live and for the great majority of us we must reluctantly accept that we will have to adapt to a much lower standard of living going forward until effective vaccines are developed to combat the threat of any coronavirus killing Britons prematurely.

Continuing with the necessary restrictions the government introduced during March is essential to save British lives. Social distancing is the most critical feature used to limit the spread of this COVID-19 outbreak. It has to be retained as a permanent feature in the months and years ahead but must be hugely enlarged and rigidly enforced.

Millions of citizens will become permanently unemployed because a greatly damaged economy will be unable to generate enough employment opportunities to satisfy demand. That and a decline in the disposable income of the great majority of the rest of the population will almost certainly result in social tensions leading to a burgeoning crime rate borne of desperate people resorting to street muggings, home burglaries, looting commercial premises along with participating in large scale public disorder and rioting.

A national mandatory photo ID scheme is desperately required to help meet the challenges of locking down millions of people to a higher degree than what we witness today. By this Christmas, perhaps, all citizens aged 10 and above will have to carry a photo ID card in a public place and produce it at the request of a lawful authority. A suitably punitive fine to ensure most adults and their aged 10-18 children, for which their parent/s or legal guardian would be liable to pay, would ensure a high compliancy rate.

The state should embark on an immediate police recruitment drive to bolster numbers to meet and contain the very real threat of this country descending into chaos. Militarise that force by issuing every officer with a handgun. The number of their auxiliary colleagues (PCSOs) must also be doubled or tripled as a matter of urgency. Supply them with tasers and the authority to use them. In addition, recruit many thousands of social distance monitors whose task it will be to identify and fine those who commit flagrant breaches of life saving rules. Current penalties are a joke; increase the fine to £1,000 that would be reduced to £500 if paid in full within 7 days. For those who don't then apply an attachment order to their income, whether it be wages or benefits, in order that they are forced to pay at source at a set amount per week. For those who it might be trickier to collect from - some self-employed, for example - then seize their identifiable assets to match the sum outstanding, else imprison them as a last resort.

An acceptance that pubs, clubs, restaurants and cafes may never reopen and that attending any occasion where large groups of people were allowed to gather, such as sporting and musical events, are worth sacrificing to help protect the health of fellow Britons then the easier it will be to adjust to a future and enduring new normal.

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As satire goes, your last effort was much better.

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Originally Posted by Veg1960

As satire goes, your last effort was much better.

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Which paragraph did you get to? I started skimming in 3 then couldn't be bothered.

Britons with COVID-19 deaths will have increased by 50% from last Sunday's total when numbers who have died during the past 24 hours are added later today.

The message is simply not getting through, or is being ignored, as far too many casually fail to adhere to the two metre social distancing requirement. There's not enough police/PCSOs on the streets. I didn't spot any on a jaunt to 'Diff on Friday. Caught a bus for the return journey which quickly filled to ensure it was impossible to observe it. I'd say maybe 10 to 12 passengers maximum could have travelled within the guidelines instead of the 20-25 who were actually aboard throughout those 20 minutes. I'm in two minds whether to report the driver as I believe he should be sanctioned in some way for allowing too many to board it. The Chinese demonstrated how to severely curtail fatalities while here the state and its agents remain half-arsed as is evident by 15K+ British deaths.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Britons with COVID-19 deaths will have increased by 50% from last Sunday's total when numbers who have died during the past 24 hours are added later today.

The message is simply not getting through, or is being ignored, as far too many casually fail to adhere to the two metre social distancing requirement. There's not enough police/PCSOs on the streets. I didn't spot any on a jaunt to 'Diff on Friday. Caught a bus for the return journey which quickly filled to ensure it was impossible to observe it. I'd say maybe 10 to 12 passengers maximum could have travelled within the guidelines instead of the 20-25 who were actually aboard throughout those 20 minutes. I'm in two minds whether to report the driver as I believe he should be sanctioned in some way for allowing too many to board it. The Chinese demonstrated how to severely curtail fatalities while here the state and its agents remain half-arsed as is evident by 15K+ British deaths.

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Theres a lot of folk who just don't care , and sadly they are running the risks for those that do .

you can rebuild an economy you can't rebuild a lost loved one.

Some people question the economic cost of the lockdown compared to simply permitting free movement but if people end up dropping like flies it's going to have considerable economic disbenefits too.

There has always been a price put on people's lives one way or another.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

There has always been a price put on people's lives one way or another.

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I agree in that would fit war or natural disaster.
But here we have been unprepared and that has been the cause of needless deaths

I vote to cancel the future, even if it saves just one life it will be worth it.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I vote to cancel the future, even if it saves just one life it will be worth it.

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I think you should lead by example and get out to work.

That will show those globalists, leftists, remainers, Democrats etc etc etc what a fine example of libertarianism you are eh?

Of course if you end up coughing your guts up on a ventilator it will all have been worth it in the name of freedom and free speech.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I vote to cancel the future, even if it saves just one life it will be worth it.

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I looked at the official stats last week for British deaths with seasonal flu strains during the past five years. They varied from a low 1,400+ in one year to 27K in another for an average over that span of 17K per annum.

I don't doubt that if the measures we have is situ today to battle COVID-19 had been adopted in those years prior then that 17K average would have been considerably lower. I acknowledge the British economy would have become a hollowed out wreck and consequently the vast majority of us would only be able to afford the most basic necessities and that trips to pubs, football matches and much more besides would already be a distant memory but nevertheless worthwhile to save British lives.

The ordinary common cold, another coronavirus, which there remains no vaccine for, can prove deadly for those with advanced COPD and other lung diseases. Now that most citizens accept the principle that people's health outweigh economic concerns then it would criminal should the government lift restrictions before vaccines are available for all coronaviruses.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I looked at the official stats last week for British deaths with seasonal flu strains during the past five years. They varied from a low 1,400+ in one year to 27K in another for an average over that span of 17K per annum.

I don't doubt that if the measures we have is situ today to battle COVID-19 had been adopted in those years prior then that 17K average would have been considerably lower. I acknowledge the British economy would have become a hollowed out wreck and consequently the vast majority of us would only be able to afford the most basic necessities and that trips to pubs, football matches and much more besides would already be a distant memory but nevertheless worthwhile to save British lives.

The ordinary common cold, another coronavirus, which there remains no vaccine for, can prove deadly for those with advanced COPD and other lung diseases. Now that most citizens accept the principle that people's health outweigh economic concerns then it would criminal should the government lift restrictions before vaccines are available for all coronaviruses.

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How come you're hiding on the politics forum, Organ? Did your brief outing on the main board leave you shaken?

So the worst flu year in the last five years was 27,000 deaths. That's in a year. Covid-19 has killed 16,000 in less than six weeks (excluding the many who have died in care homes).

Concentrating on the death rate was a good tactic earlier - not so much now.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I looked at the official stats last week for British deaths with seasonal flu strains during the past five years. They varied from a low 1,400+ in one year to 27K in another for an average over that span of 17K per annum.

I don't doubt that if the measures we have is situ today to battle COVID-19 had been adopted in those years prior then that 17K average would have been considerably lower. I acknowledge the British economy would have become a hollowed out wreck and consequently the vast majority of us would only be able to afford the most basic necessities and that trips to pubs, football matches and much more besides would already be a distant memory but nevertheless worthwhile to save British lives.

The ordinary common cold, another coronavirus, which there remains no vaccine for, can prove deadly for those with advanced COPD and other lung diseases. Now that most citizens accept the principle that people's health outweigh economic concerns then it would criminal should the government lift restrictions before vaccines are available for all coronaviruses.

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When was the last time the common cold overran the capacity of the NHS?

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

I agree in that would fit war or natural disaster.
But here we have been unprepared and that has been the cause of needless deaths

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It is just not war and natural disasters, I have heard it said they put a price on medical treatment, they might be capable of saving somebody but choose not too because of the cost, as regards airlines, ships, trains, cars etc they might work out the cost of saving a life (say on average one life a year per their calculations) but the cost would run into millions and millions so they don't do it, say for arguments sake replace a level crossing in a lonely place in West Wales with a tunnel or a flyover, it might be estimated they would save a life every quarter of a century or so but the cost would be so great they won't do it, there has always been a cost in some shape or another put on lives and I say that as a Socialist that would tax people until the pips squeaked to get a better, safer, fairer and more equally society.

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Originally Posted by lardy

How come you're hiding on the politics forum, Organ? Did your brief outing on the main board leave you shaken?

So the worst flu year in the last five years was 27,000 deaths. That's in a year. Covid-19 has killed 16,000 in less than six weeks (excluding the many who have died in care homes).

Concentrating on the death rate was a good tactic earlier - not so much now.

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I posted on the main forum yesterday.

Here's a video of some no nonsense British policing that all right-minded citizens will applaud: https://twitter.com/simonchilds13/st...18305889013760

As the sergeant correctly stated to the lunatic, "you're killing people!"

We need more like that officer, umpteen thousands of them to crackdown hard on anyone who doesn't care about saving British lives.

I'd welcome the introduction of Martial Law, wholesale curfews and anything else the government may deem necessary to enforce much greater compliancy.

How about you?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I posted on the main forum yesterday.

Here's a video of some no nonsense British policing that all right-minded citizens will applaud: https://twitter.com/simonchilds13/st...18305889013760

As the sergeant correctly stated to the lunatic, "you're killing people!"

We need more like that officer, umpteen thousands of them to crackdown hard on anyone who doesn't care about saving British lives.

I'd welcome the introduction of Martial Law, wholesale curfews and anything else the government may deem necessary to enforce much greater compliancy.

How about you?

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Changing the subject. Always a sure sign that someone hasn't really got a decent reply.

The post you quoted was about death rates. You were comparing annual figures for one virus with pretty much monthly figures of another.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Changing the subject. Always a sure sign that someone hasn't really got a decent reply.

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It's better than avoiding the subject, which is what you do :hehe:

Some of Organ's like minded brethren.

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Two pluses from the lockdown measures has seen a plummeting crime rate and far fewer vehicles on the roads pumping out their poisonous fumes that pollute people's lungs and harm the environment.

I'd raise Fuel Duty and other taxes across the board to help pay for furloughing workers and fill the gap in reduced state revenue streams. Cutting benefit payments for all recipients except the disabled, their registered carers and State Pensioners would also save vast sums. Also, means-test Winter Fuel Payment; it really is ludicrous millionaires get to collect that handout.

Some of the reforms could fund a deserved substantial - 33% or more - pay increase for all front line NHS staff. A 5% VAT increase should easily cover that extra expense and I'm sure most citizens would gladly dig deeper into their pockets to reward them.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Two pluses from the lockdown measures has seen a plummeting crime rate and far fewer vehicles on the roads pumping out their poisonous fumes that pollute people's lungs and harm the environment.

I'd raise Fuel Duty and other taxes across the board to help pay for furloughing workers and fill the gap in reduced state revenue streams. Cutting benefit payments for all recipients except the disabled, their registered carers and State Pensioners would also save vast sums. Also, means-test Winter Fuel Payment; it really is ludicrous millionaires get to collect that handout.

Some of the reforms could fund a deserved substantial - 33% or more - pay increase for all front line NHS staff. A 5% VAT increase should easily cover that extra expense and I'm sure most citizens would gladly dig deeper into their pockets to reward them.

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VAT is a tax that effects the poor greatly, there are other tax raising avenues that could be used that would not effect the poor to the same degree.

Aye, VAT is second only to inflation in the regressiveness stakes. Parliament's red team, who are widely believed to be the poor's friend, have a long history of kicking them in the nuts using both those taxes with the same enthusiasm as the blue team have.

Staying with the poorest, another plus from this COVID-19 outbreak is that thousands of formerly homeless people are today living in hotels and guest houses.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Aye, VAT is second only to inflation in the regressiveness stakes. Parliament's red team, who are widely believed to be the poor's friend, have a long history of kicking them in the nuts using both those taxes with the same enthusiasm as the blue team have.

Staying with the poorest, another plus from this COVID-19 outbreak is that thousands of formerly homeless people are today living in hotels and guest houses.

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That's not the full story it's the Conservative and Unionist party that is historically known for hiking VAT rates, Labour less so.

Yes, you're correct - Tories have a worse record but not by much. Just had a gander at the history of Purchase Tax and VAT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-...United_Kingdom

I see from 1979 to 1997 the blues more than doubled VAT from 8% to 17.5%, with predictable howls of protest from the red benches, but when the reds returned to power in 1997 they retained that 17.5% rate for the next 11 years other than for some minor changes to reduce VAT on leccy and gas bills plus a few other things.

Reading that article I would say the Conservative and Unionist party is a lot worse for VAT charges than Labour.
I'm all for uping taxes just not VAT as it's a tax on the poor, in theory you would expect old Labour to have the same thoughts on the topic as me but Labour has been overrun by Red Tories so who knows what they think these days.

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Reading that article I would say the Conservative and Unionist party is a lot worse for VAT charges than Labour.
I'm all for uping taxes just not VAT as it's a tax on the poor, in theory you would expect old Labour to have the same thoughts on the topic as me but Labour has been overrun by Red Tories so who knows what they think these days.

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I agree with this. The 20% rate was supposedly a temporary austerity measure, but when they announced the "ending" of austerity they forgot to put the VAT rate back to 17.5%!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I agree with this. The 20% rate was supposedly a temporary austerity measure, but when they announced the "ending" of austerity they forgot to put the VAT rate back to 17.5%!

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Yes very noticeable, but folk accepted it , better than personal tax rise I suppose , with vat you got a choice to not buy so much , and avoid it ?

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

I think you should lead by example and get out to work.

That will show those globalists, leftists, remainers, Democrats etc etc etc what a fine example of libertarianism you are eh?

Of course if you end up coughing your guts up on a ventilator it will all have been worth it in the name of freedom and free speech.

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Disgusting post ,shame on you .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Yes very noticeable, but folk accepted it , better than personal tax rise I suppose , with vat you got a choice to not buy so much , and avoid it ?

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That's just it, it is/was on everyday products and since the poor don't have enough money to save then lots of their income when spent has a VAT charge, for richer people not as much of their income ends up having VAT on it, for starters they don't spend all their money.
That's why you will often see VAT described as a tax on the poor, if I remember Labour once had the idea of lower rates of VAT for everyday items and higher rates of VAT for luxury items.

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Disgusting post ,shame on you .

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Before you go on your faux outrage crusade did I wish WB poor health?

He’s constantly harping on about getting the economy back up and running, I merely pointed out if he feels so strongly about it he should get out there but be mindful of the consequences

So with all due respect your attempt at screaming outage because your poor hero has been given some advice has made you look a tad dim.

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

Before you go on your faux outrage crusade did I wish WB poor health?

He’s constantly harping on about getting the economy back up and running, I merely pointed out if he feels so strongly about it he should get out there but be mindful of the consequences

So with all due respect your attempt at screaming outage because your poor hero has been given some advice has made you look a tad dim.

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Your words below :

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Of course if you end up coughing your guts up on a ventilator it will all have been worth it*"

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Your words below :

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Of course if you end up coughing your guts up on a ventilator it will all have been worth it*"

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You’ve deliberately missed out the last few words of my sentence.

Only you can answer that and lord knows why.

The UK COVID-19 hospital death rate rebounded higher to 823 over the last day following a recent dip.

Extending the restrictions for just three weeks appeared to offer many false hope that some will be lifted soon after that end date. I don't blame the government for playing that game but I sense a lot of the current goodwill will take a swan dive once boiling hot days in June, July and August arrive with people stuck at home sweating bullets and are sick of the sight of one another.

In 2014 the government could call upon a circa 45K total of army Reserve and Regular Reservist Soldiers. What their strength is today is likely similar. I suppose they will be deployed to aid police should widespread public disorder become commonplace.

September time would be when the COVID-19 second wave would hit, if indeed there is a second wave, and I imagine a greater acceptance of lockdown measures would return.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I looked at the official stats last week for British deaths with seasonal flu strains during the past five years. They varied from a low 1,400+ in one year to 27K in another for an average over that span of 17K per annum.

I don't doubt that if the measures we have is situ today to battle COVID-19 had been adopted in those years prior then that 17K average would have been considerably lower. I acknowledge the British economy would have become a hollowed out wreck and consequently the vast majority of us would only be able to afford the most basic necessities and that trips to pubs, football matches and much more besides would already be a distant memory but nevertheless worthwhile to save British lives.

The ordinary common cold, another coronavirus, which there remains no vaccine for, can prove deadly for those with advanced COPD and other lung diseases. Now that most citizens accept the principle that people's health outweigh economic concerns then it would criminal should the government lift restrictions before vaccines are available for all coronaviruses.

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Originally Posted by lardy

How come you're hiding on the politics forum, Organ? Did your brief outing on the main board leave you shaken?

So the worst flu year in the last five years was 27,000 deaths. That's in a year. Covid-19 has killed 16,000 in less than six weeks (excluding the many who have died in care homes).

Concentrating on the death rate was a good tactic earlier - not so much now.

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This twitter thread about cherrypicking statistics that are not comparable to make them seem comparable, reminded me of what Organ did here, comparing a bad entire year of flu deaths to a few weeks of covid deaths (unfinished) to downplay how serious it is.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">First of all, here's a graph from the <a href="https://twitter.com/ONS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ONS</a> - do you see the massive, unprecedented spike in deaths due to Covid-19? Of course you do. <br><br>So how do we square this with <a href="https://twitter.com/montie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@montie</a>'s tweet saying deaths are actually lower this year than 2018? 2/<a href="https://t.co/8q3djdNj80">https://t.co/8q3djdNj80</a> <a href="https://t.co/uRhaTI5aX4">pic.twitter.com/uRhaTI5aX4</a></p>&mdash; Sesh Nadathur (@SeshNadathur) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeshNadathur/status/1252700301800456201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

759 new hospital deaths in the UK.

The comments made by the WHO boss (below) caught my attention. The last line is going to be infinitely easier to say than done.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52377357

At the World Health Organization's briefing, its head has warned that although epidemics in Western Europe "appear to be stable or declining", there are still "worrying upward trends in Africa, Central and South America, and Eastern Europe".

"Make no mistake - we have a long way to go, this virus will be with us for a long time," director-general Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said.

He said that while people are "understandably frustrated" with stay-at-home orders, "one of the greatest dangers we face now is complacency".

"The world will not and cannot go back to the way things were," Dr Tedros added. "There must be a new normal, a world that's healthier, safer and better prepared."

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759 new hospital deaths in the UK.

The comments made by the WHO boss (below) caught my attention. The last line is going to be infinitely easier to say than done.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52377357

At the World Health Organization's briefing, its head has warned that although epidemics in Western Europe "appear to be stable or declining", there are still "worrying upward trends in Africa, Central and South America, and Eastern Europe".

"Make no mistake - we have a long way to go, this virus will be with us for a long time," director-general Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said.

He said that while people are "understandably frustrated" with stay-at-home orders, "one of the greatest dangers we face now is complacency".

"The world will not and cannot go back to the way things were," Dr Tedros added. "There must be a new normal, a world that's healthier, safer and better prepared."

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What are your views on the WHO Org? Some of your acolytes seem a bit lukewarm. Is this a sign of the thawing that the organisation set up to have some guidance over world health is actually doing that?

Cyril, I wish to take this opportunity to implore you to stay at home as much as you possibly can. Whenever your resolve may weaken slightly then remind yourself you're helping to save British lives which is an incredibly noble cause. Please put any concerns about the country's, along with you and yours, economic well being to the back of your mind by continuing to place your unshakeable faith in our government.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Cyril, I wish to take this opportunity to implore you to stay at home as much as you possibly can. Whenever your resolve may weaken slightly then remind yourself you're helping to save British lives which is an incredibly noble cause. Please put any concerns about the country's, along with you and yours, economic well being to the back of your mind by continuing to place your unshakeable faith in our government.

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Interesting take on the question I asked about your views on the WHO. I have to say though that whenever my mental well-being wavers as a consequence of the circumstances we are in I remind myself of the great Plandemic of 2015 and any tension eases right away as the tears run down my cheeks.

I don't know much about the WHO other than it's a part of the United Nations. Its boss' reported remarks struck me as conditioning for what's ahead. I'd place Whitty's, a UK .gov medical adviser, comments in the same category as no ministers to my knowledge have questioned his suggestion that measures will not be lifted "for at least the rest of the year."

Being a keen reader of my posts here you will know already that I'm an advocate for much stronger rules and regulations and that I'd welcome the sight of army personnel carriers trundling down residential streets to quell social unrest wherever it may arise should the government feel it necessary to deploy them.

Reassuring that you're bearing up there. That's the ticket.

The stupendously bad, and much worse than anticipated, UK Manufacturing and Services PMI data released earlier indicate Blighty's economic woes are dire today and set to become a great deal worse by this year's end.

Our resolve to save British lives whatever the economic fallout may entail could be severely tested by then. But I have confidence that you will remain an ardent supporter of the path that has been chosen.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I don't know much about the WHO other than it's a part of the United Nations. Its boss' reported remarks struck me as conditioning for what's ahead. I'd place Whitty's, a UK .gov medical adviser, comments in the same category as no ministers to my knowledge have questioned his suggestion that measures will not be lifted "for at least the rest of the year."

Being a keen reader of my posts here you will know already that I'm an advocate for much stronger rules and regulations and that I'd welcome the sight of army personnel carriers trundling down residential streets to quell social unrest wherever it may arise should the government feel it necessary to deploy them.

Reassuring that you're bearing up there. That's the ticket.

The stupendously bad, and much worse than anticipated, UK Manufacturing and Services PMI data released earlier indicate Blighty's economic woes are dire today and set to become a great deal worse by this year's end.

Our resolve to save British lives whatever the economic fallout may entail could be severely tested by then. But I have confidence that you will remain an ardent supporter of the path that has been chosen.

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I know your desire to see yourself as special and different from the herd takes you into some interesting places to try and achieve this.

In this instance it's like nobody but you, not the governments of the world be they autocratic or democratic, capitalist or communist, 1st world or 3rd, can see the economic consequences of the measures being put in place.

It may come as a shock to you that almost everyone can see that there will need to be a point where economic and social considerations outweigh a residual health risk. I like a good number of those people would rather one period of pain rather than waves where we open up only to move backwards again.

Most people would see that carrying on in the way we were and a manner that you have championed because its just like flu after all would have been catastrophic for both the nations's health and its wealth compared to the alternative course of action belatedly chosen. Most people realise now that not locking down sooner increased the health problem and extended the period of economic uncertainty. But I keep on forgetting.....you're not most people are you!