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We missed out on Cardiff boy Iwan. I know him as his younger brother has played in the same rugby team as my grandson for many years. He's a really nice lad, always watches his brother on a Sunday, and is unbelievably strong. He's built like a rugby flanker.
Anyway he scored two for Wales yesterday, his first was pure quality.
https://twitter.com/sgorio/status/16...WLsi9R1_Q&s=19
What the hell is he doing on Swansea city's books ?Quote:
Originally Posted by severncity
Seems like our youth set up is walking round with its eyes shut
That was so well taken, how come he’s down west? Poor show by the City missing out on him just for that goal alone.
He looks like a big lump who can play a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I couldn't give a toss about the bigger Welsh picture , why isn't he playing for CCFC ?
So many people in football outside the playing staff do not deserve the positions they have.
City’s Academy will be celebrating its twentieth anniversary next year. Who’s the best striker produced by it in that time? Cameron Jerome played about three Academy games for us and, since then, it seems any striker who displays any real promise as a teenager signs for a Manchester club - in terms of games played for our first team, Mark Harris has to be the best striker produced by our Academy - maybe Iwan Morgan, his parents and representatives were aware of this and figured he’d be better off somewhere else?
To be fair, there’s a lot of City representation in the Welsh squad Morgan is part of and they seem to be one of our stronger ones we’ve had, but,as is usually the case with us, they’re midfielders and defenders.
Ben CabangoQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Why is he with the jacks ?
When did he start at scumsea?Quote:
Originally Posted by severncity
A few years ago. He'd been at Cardiff since he was about 7 years oldQuote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
So why hasn't he been taken on ?Quote:
Originally Posted by severncity
Are Cardiff City completely incompetent ?
City had three in the starting line-up last night plus Crew (Leeds) and Biancheri (Man Utd) as well as three more on the bench. It's a good representation I'd say but carry on howling at the moon if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well as we are the biggest club in Wales I should think so wouldn't you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
If we can try and stay on focus here .....why are talented players from Cardiff signing for Swansea ?
Bark away
You've moved the goalposts as usual. You asked 'are Cardiff City completely incompetent?' and I pointed out we had eight Academy lads in the squad last night to answer that. I've no idea why Cabango joined Newport under-13s or how good Iwan Morgan will turn out to be, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well if you have no idea then put your electric blanket on and get ready for bedQuote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Don’t we have to accept that there will always be players that slip the net? Look at Giggs and Man City, for instance.
You know how good Iwan is going to be just from having read this thread? That's impressive, fair play. And you know how good 12-year-olds will turn out to be? That's quite a talent you've got. Football scouting's loss is our gain though, we're honoured.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Of course but Cardiff City have been usurped by other teams countless timesQuote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
Good luck with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
Thank you xxQuote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
If he's signed for Swansea city and is capable of scoring goals like the one above he's clearly got something that Cardiff City must have missed
Unless you know otherwise
I saw Tommy O'Sullivan score two great goals for Wales under-21s a few years ago, by your logic he must be playing Champion's League by now although I haven't seen Gloucester City's name in the draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Iwan seems to be making good progress, yes, and if he makes it then you'll finally have a big name to give me and Dembe for South Wales talent that we've let slip through the net in recent years. Well done for coming up with Cabango after about a month by the way.
You carry on in your role as chief PR for the scouting department at CCFCQuote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
You are doing a great job
At least someone is
Once again- you said Cardiff City are completely incompetent and I pointed out 8 Academy lads were in the squad last night which I'm pretty sure you were unaware of. The rest is just moving the goalposts and putting words in my mouth which is how you operate on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I'm not saying anything about Iwan, I haven't seen him play. There's often a fuss made when a player moves on but it takes time for a full picture to emerge. Spence went to Palace, Yorwerth to Ipswich, Poole to Newport then Man Utd, Pinchard to Man City then Swansea and posters have ripped into the club like you're doing.
Good luck to Iwan, he's doing well and he sounds a good lad from what Severncity says, but it's way too early to draw the kind of conclusions you are here.
If we produce players good enough to be poached by Manchester clubs, they'd be aware of that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If you're good enough you're good enough.
I'm the problem :hehe:
Just read the thread...
Stick to the favourite flavour crisps threads Sludge ffs :hehe:
Sludge trying to take on Loramski in a thread about academy players ffs :hehe:
Absolutely hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Thing is, the argument will do the same way and sludge will drag him round in circles. People like you and me get targeted as WUMS. he's the biggest one the board has ever seen but gets a pass.
If I didn't post for 6 months he'd argue with 17 other posters. Weirdly I only argue with....him.
But it's ok. He's not the problem on the board.
In the thread for last weekend's Swansea v Bristol City, I mentioned that from what I'd seen of the game, one of the wurzels' best players was an eighteen year old midfielder from Newport who had been with us up to the age of thirteen - I posed the question would he have been playing up at Rotherham the day before if he was still with us? I think most of us know what the answer to that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
would be.
Bristol City finished above us last season and, almost certainly, they'll finish above this time as well, yet their side has a nucleus of young, Academy produced players, some of whom are still in their teens. They've not had spectacular success these last two seasons, but they've been pretty safe in lower mid table and they've benefited down the years through selling Academy produced players sometimes for eight figure sums.
Therefore, you'd compare their team with ours and conclude that, given the lack of first team talent produced by us down the years, Bristol must traditionally have better Academy teams than us. However, if you use the results between us and the wurzels at this level over the past twenty years as the yardstick, particularly at under 18 level, you'd have to conclude that we had the better Academy because we've had the better of meetings between the teams down the years.
Sludge mentions that we should be expected to have eight representatives in the current Wales under 17 squad, but, off the top of my head, I can't think of a Wales age group squad with better City representation than that in all of the time we've had an Academy - the fact that the under 17 squad is shaping up to be one of the best Welsh age group sides of recent times, should be great news for City given we have so many of our youngsters forming part of it.
However, the clear fact that the wurzels produce youngsters which not only get into their first team and prosper within it while barely ever having successful under 18 sides, in terms of results at least, is in stark contrast to us. Apart from the initial spurt when the Academy was first set up that produced Ledley, Gunter, Blake, Ramsey and Matthews, City have struggled to convert youthful promise into senior success and I'll always maintain that saying that our youngsters have not been good enough is being too simplistic about the situation.
About three or four years ago it looked like we had an Under 18 side which was going to produce plenty of first teamers for us and it was successful to the extent that more youngsters from that team were given a chance in the first team than any other of recent times, but look where we are now. Based on results, we've got the worst senior team we've had in twenty years and all of the locally produced youngsters who were getting fairly regular first team football last season are further away from the starting eleven now than they were a year ago.
The fact that we have been so hopeless at producing first team footballers from our Academy for over a decade now will surely not pass unnoticed among the youngsters at the club and their parents and representatives - who can blame Omar Taylor-Clarke (the Bristol City player I mentioned earlier) for opting for the wurzels over us when he's getting opportunities there which he, almost certainly, wouldn't have got here?
It's not as simple as saying if you're good enough, you're good enough.
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You two are plumsQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Are you related ?
It would be absolutely fantastic if you didn't post for 6 monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
How much are you looking for ?
Cardiff City since as long as the summer day have failed to nurture local talent and get them playing in our first teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Either we have good local talent or we don't
I know you want me to go. That's why I won't :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I am too long in the tooth for youQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior