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Halve this
Grow that
Stop the other.
But what he has actually delivered is a quadrupling of Government fraud under his watch
From £5.5 billion to £21 billion.
Stick that on the front of a lectern...
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/06/g...eport-reveals/
General Election NOW!!!
But have you considered there is fraud in other countries? In comparison only a 75% increase in fraud makes the UK look good!Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
*Takes off tory hat*
Its everywhere as you had out the money and cant control its outcome if one thinks that Labour or others are not as cullpibale is very naïve indeed
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...wales-16687262
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...elcome-4155449
122million fraud in Labour Wales https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...wales-26839794
300 million SNP Ferry scandal https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co....-bill-29456478
Ye lets have an election and near it all from all lecterns .
Given Wales is 17 times the size of England, we could reasonably expect Tory fraud to be £2.1074bn on a like for like basis, however it is 10x that figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It looks like you can cross off stop the other from your list. It seems as though there is an agreement with the French government where they provide an escort half way, and we meet them in the middle to take over.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Tory scum. It says it in byline times! And reports on the totally normal period of 2020-2022Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Gosh it's not like you to defend your tory boys !?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
This is a surprise
It's almost as if .......you are a tory
And there's you telling us you are nuanced and are moderate
This has come as a surprise 😲
Nope, I'm saying COVID was a unique time, the removal of normal procurement processes and the enormous increase in support makes an increase in fraud absolutely inevitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You could compare the amount of people paid furlough in 2019-20 with 2020-21 if you want. I think you will also see a gazillion per cent increase, but it doesn't show the full picture does it.
Hopefully they claim as much as possible back, but I sincerely doubt they will.
The Tories are fantastic!
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I’d much rather associate with the majority of migrants who try to enter the country than the obnoxious, braying fools on the Tory benches of Parliament. I wouldn’t go near them in real life.
Did you see that Tory clown on Question Time last night? He really lost it about ten minutes after he was pontificating on MPs’ behaviour when answering another question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
69 billion paid out in benefits.
11 million sick notes.
2.8 million young folk not working.
All is well.
Sir Kier will fix it.
Anexity the new bad back.
Until you or your family get it then will wonder where the support is, no doubt blaming WG.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Anne Exity suffered from the eponymous disease for years and she says it's far worse than a bad back. She says it's akin to the malaise of idiocy.
Are the Tories really going to fight another election on migrants and scroungers? It's almost like they haven't been in power for 14 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It's such a shallow pitch as well, akin to legislating that Rwanda is really safe and nice. Now they are going to ignore doctors and legislate that people who have been deemed ill by a medical professional are actually healthy rather than even try to think about the causes and how to tackle those.
Same old story, **** experts, us public school twats know best.
**** experts, us public school twats no best apply here too? These problems usually exist outside of the party political system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
"Labour promises crackdown on benefits payments to inactive young people"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2506599.html
How is that outside of the party political system? Yes labour are cosplaying as Tories because they are cynical and know idiots buy into this 'tough love' shite. Yes it makes me less likely to vote for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You seem to struggle with this. The basis of any political discussion with you is that the other person is a party political stooge. Time and time again I have disagreed with the labour party on particular issues, yet your bias doesn't seem to shift.. I guess because it's easier to argue against a strawman rather than a human.
What I said stands. The fact is that the Tory manifesto could be copy pasted from any election for the last 20 years - 'lousy benefit claimants and migrants are ruining your lives', unfortunately because of the amount of time that has passed since they were last in opposition, they have nobody else to blame for all these problems they are now uncovering in society.
Now, I seem to remember many posts where you were encouraging everybody to praise the government for 'record employment', had these lazy useless young people fallen off your radar at that point?
No, what I'm saying is that problems exist and they need solving irrespective of the party in power.
If we have a large number of people essentially doing nothing that is not good. It's never been good, not good for them or us collectively. It's important to look into why and the I am almost certain you won't find much difference between the parties in power, or indeed any party in power.
Is anybody even talking about looking into why? Dr Sunak said it himself, people aren't more ill than they used to be, nothing to see here. The policy is basically just play chicken with them until they can't eat/live to force them back into work. We can't involve doctors anymore because they are focussed on the health of their patient and that gets in the way of these scroungers being productive little drones.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Problem involving poor person = stick
Problem involving rich person = carrot
We are constantly punching down as a society and it's ****ing sad to see the acceptance of it.
Sunak is a pig of a man. Who in their right mind would take away the help to support disabled people into work? All in an attempt to pander to the right wing media and to hold onto a few votes.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...fits-crackdown
I hate punching down. I'm really just saying that a dramatic increase in people being off work is not a good thing for anyone, and whomever is the government cannot ignore it and needs to look into the reasons etc. I was trying to point that out by saying the current oppositions wording on it all is pretty similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I blame Covid. Obviously. Was obvious the longer lockdowns and the rest of it went on, then the more society and it's norms and expectations would change.
I've known far more people off work with what essentially are mental health issues since covid than before.
His pledges are becoming more polished.
Like a big fat turd with glitter and and a feather on the top.:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I'd imagine covid had a part to play but I think in time we will look back and attribute much of the rise in mental health problems to the increasing creep of big tech and the acutely designed addictiveness of smart phones, social media and really any app created for mobile. Can anyone pinpoint a time in history where there was a more drastic change in the way a large proportion of people live their lives? Short of a world war, I can't think of one.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Very well said Eric. It's important to note that mental health is never going to be improved with a 'stick'. It's never been good for society. Living wages and the ability to afford to 'go' to work is overlooked here. I've never understood how wages can be so low that they have to be topped up by government benefits. It's disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Introduce a UBI and most of people's worries disappear. 'Work' is a misnomer anyway. It can be anything from minimum wage (slave) labour jobs to something rewarding and skilful. These f*cking soundbites by incompetent politicians are dangerous and irresponsible.
Decent work. Decent pay. Decent homes to live in. Not a return to Victorian work ethics. This is why I want a political party to be fighting for these things but there isn't one. Anywhere. They're all f*cking useless.
Good post again Eric. You're on the money again. I'd add that our 'dependency' on internet communication within society will contribute to our ultimate downfall. Switch the power off and I can't even type this. It's so easy to cripple a society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I've just come back from a hospital appointment that didn't happen because the 'system had gone down' across the whole hospital. I spoke to the very nice Doctor who told me there is no point seeing me because any records, and any further referrals etc were online, with no paper back-ups. Just thought it illustrated your point nicely!Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
It was always the intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
I entirely agree with you both. I suppose I was specifically referring to COVID as a one off event, but that drift has been clear for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
It's not just internet connections, it's the corresponding decline in human interactions which impacts our wellbeing, our tolerance and empathy and how we speak to eachother - as illustrated on this site as I don't doubt the conversations would be markedly more polite in person.
It's a serious issue and one which local authorities and the government(s) need to get a handle on, and it drifts into a great number of topics including working from home, cashless societies, being open to learning, experience, sharing ideas, mental stimulation etc and the net result isnt good.
We need human interactions on a regular basis and it is vital for our individual and collective wellbeing. Peter also cites a good example about of being overreliance on digital systems which taken to the extreme is also a national security issue.
I've seen this in public services in the last few years. My child's school doesn't even do proper parents evenings now. It's online. It's awful. Things have got much worse in my opinion and some rowing back is necessary
As always folk turn and spin a message into an tirade of hate .
He is right in what he points out .
GP 's are not the right group to issue sick notes 11 million sick notes is too many. They can detect sickness but not fit to work as that requires a whole raft of other considerations to take place only an employer can answer ,doctors haven't got that intel of job content etc ??..
Of course people with minor anxieties or slight disabilities would be better served and have a better healthy work life balance ( that pure common sense ) sitting at home thinking I am unwell is a dangerous thing for those with anxiety , exercising the mind in a work environment around people is the best for them in a work where they have contact and a social interface . Also not exercising say a strain back or leg is also not healthy either , light duties in work is the answer.
Anyways over to you Sir Kier & two home Ange .. ( remember two jag John )
So a doctor should not say if a person is unwell,go to a non qualified person instead could not make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Oh hang on clueless Sunak has.
Politicians will suggest examining the entrails of a recently sacrificed, small, fluffy animal if they thought it would get them votes. When medical doctors are no longer able to say whether someone is mentally fit for work then you know we're on the set of Terry Gilliam film.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Edit: and what you've written about anxiety and other mental health issues is dangerous, unqualified and judgemental.
To expand on Peter's experience, I had something very similar happen to me. It was only the retrieval of paper notes/scans/results that saved me having to endure 90 mins of brain MRI and was reduced to 45. This happens all the time. Mrs C has just had to pay £40 for her printed medical history. There is no digital file to transfer. The IT system is too fragmented and isn't joined up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
This isn't down to any political party either. It's been a problem that's been building for decades. The worst people in the world to decide on IT contracts are politicians (this was shown during COVID) and they are certainly unable to cost or project manage efficiently.
I know I've just gone off on a tangent but it's all connected. In other words, it's as scary as f*ck just how precarious our society is and our dependence upon digital, electronic systems with no backup systems is madness. All anyone has to do is imagine the destruction of internet servers or major power outage and we're in a dystopian society as a result.
GPs should not be responsible for issuing sick notes. Employers should. BINGO!Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Yup. Been on the receiving end of this too Peter. Power cuts also require medical instruments to be re-calibrated. That's another one. The incorrect algorithms relating to pharmacology in systems rejects life-saving/changing medications and the Dr can't override them. There's a long list. And don't get me started on telephone consultations. Not 'seeing' a patient but diagnosing over the phone is going to result in serious misdiagnoses. The list goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swiss Peter
“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Brain tumours can cause:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
- Aggression
- Anxiety
- Apathy
- Confusion
- Depression
- Forgetfulness
- Irritability
....call 999 and ask for Human Resources!
(source: https://www.moffitt.org/cancers/brai...nality,Anxiety)