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Darren Moore leaves Sheffield Wednesday.
Another odd one - does this mean an end to any Wednesday interest in Mark MacGuinness?
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the other bob wilson
Another odd one - does this mean an end to any Wednesday interest in Mark MacGuinness?
I’d have thought it would have an impact maybe on if he wants to go.
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He's a devout Christian
God has probably told him to go to Leeds
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Another black manager treated poorly
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That’s a strange one, according to the Owls chairman, “Both parties believe that now is the right time to go our separate ways”. Why would any manager want to leave after guiding a club to promotion ?
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SOXY BOY
That’s a strange one, according to the Owls chairman, “Both parties believe that now is the right time to go our separate ways”. Why would any manager want to leave after guiding a club to promotion ?
Maybe Moore was unhappy at the playing budget he’d been given?
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Is a manager ever happy with the budget, they’re given ?
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Didn't he receive a fair amount of abuse after the first leg.
Probably not to do with that but it wasn't all rosy there clearly.
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I understand when a manager only just keeps a side up, but still loses his job - they shouldn't have been down there in the first place.
But to ditch a guy when he's just got you promoted seems a bit strange. I wonder if he wanted a big pay rise?
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SOXY BOY
That’s a strange one, according to the Owls chairman, “Both parties believe that now is the right time to go our separate ways”. Why would any manager want to leave after guiding a club to promotion ?
Lamouchi saved us from relegation yet buggered off when tan didn't want him spending money
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Getting promotion and saving a team from relegation are two different ends of the scale and we only stayed up by the skin if our teeth. Did Lamouchi, go by mutual consent ?
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SOXY BOY
Getting promotion and saving a team from relegation are two different ends of the scale and we only stayed up by the skin if our teeth. Did Lamouchi, go by mutual consent ?
Lamouchi was out of contract.
Moore was still in contract, although “Mutual consent” doesn’t mean much, he was probably paid off. They probably had words after the first leg.
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J R Hartley
Another black manager treated poorly
'another' ?
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A Quiet Monkfish
'another' ?
Vieira
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J R Hartley
Vieira
Really? I think Roy showed they were massively under performing?
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2b2bdoo
Really? I think Roy showed they were massively under performing?
He had a bad run, his first in 2 seasons, after an horrendous run of fixtures. It happens at clubs like Palace.
They were never going down. They were 12th when he was sacked and finished 11th.
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J R Hartley
He had a bad run, his first in 2 seasons, after an horrendous run of fixtures. It happens at clubs like Palace.
They were never going down. They were 12th when he was sacked and finished 11th.
I maybe wrong but I’m sure I read they were 3 points off the relegation zone despite being 12th and most of the teams below them had a game in hand, I wouldn’t say never going down. They were one of the teams to have not won all year when he was sacked in March.
I can’t remember the stats but I’m pretty sure palace were massively struggling to score or get shots on target then started scoring for fun. Roy maybe only moved them once place but they seemed well safe, 11 points ahead of the drop at the end of the season. Huge turn around.
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When Viera got sacked they had just played Man City, Liverpool, Man United twice, Newcastle, Brighton and Brentford .
Woys 5 wins come against the 3 relegated teams, Bournemouth and West Ham.
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J R Hartley
When Viera got sacked they had just played Man City, Liverpool, Man United twice, Newcastle, Brighton and Brentford .
Woys 5 wins come against the 3 relegated teams, Bournemouth and West Ham.
They hadn’t won in 11 and didn’t look like it. Roy did a brilliant job. You can’t go into march winless and expect to be safe.
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2b2bdoo
They hadn’t won in 11 and didn’t look like it. Roy did a brilliant job. You can’t go into march winless and expect to be safe.
Roy did do a good job with the new manager bounce but he also lost to every “big” club he played against in the 11 fixtures he had, no different to Vieira on his bad run. It was a horrendous run of fixtures.
And they weren’t winless going into March they had 27 points in 27 games. Point a game keeps them up easily.
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J R Hartley
Another black manager treated poorly
Colour has nothing to do with it. If it was, they wouldn't have employed him in the first place. Same applies to Patrick Vieira.
Gary O'Neil did a wonderful job keeping Bournemouth up. They were everyone's favourites to go down but they survived with a couple of games to spare and in the process ensured a cut of untold millions next season. Now that's treating a manager poorly, and he's white.
Both O'Neil and Moore were probably the victims of ambitious boards who believe they need a manager with a bit of star quality to take them to where they want to go.
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Moodybluebird
Colour has nothing to do with it. If it was, they wouldn't have employed him in the first place. Same applies to Patrick Vieira.
Gary O'Neil did a wonderful job keeping Bournemouth up. They were everyone's favourites to go down but they survived with a couple of games to spare and in the process ensured a cut of untold millions next season. Now that's treating a manager poorly, and he's white.
Both O'Neil and Moore were probably the victims of ambitious boards who believe they need a manager with a bit of star quality to take them to where they want to go.
:thumbup:
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the other bob wilson
Maybe Moore was unhappy at the playing budget he’d been given?
Unlikely to see him going for the City job if Bulut gets the chop then!
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Moodybluebird
Colour has nothing to do with it. If it was, they wouldn't have employed him in the first place. Same applies to Patrick Vieira.
Gary O'Neil did a wonderful job keeping Bournemouth up. They were everyone's favourites to go down but they survived with a couple of games to spare and in the process ensured a cut of untold millions next season. Now that's treating a manager poorly, and he's white.
Both O'Neil and Moore were probably the victims of ambitious boards who believe they need a manager with a bit of star quality to take them to where they want to go.
That is your opinion and I respectfully disagree. Sub concious racism is rife in football. Plenty of concious racism too. Darren Moore himself was racially abused by his own "fans" after the first leg v Peterborough.
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J R Hartley
That is your opinion and I respectfully disagree. Sub concious racism is rife in football. Plenty of concious racism too. Darren Moore himself was racially abused by his own "fans" after the first leg v Peterborough.
I tend to agree with you. I think it's a societal problem, or certainly a problem within high end, high pressure managerial rolls. Black footballers had to work hard for acceptance during the 60s 70s and 80s, that obstacle has almost been eradicated, although there are still plenty of racists out there.
There was a thought amongst racists that Black players back then weren't up for a cold Tuesday night in Stoke, that they were Lazy. Nathan Blake was called Lazy by some of our support, even though he was by far our best player, I can't recall Whittington being called Lazy in the same way Blake was, both similar in terms of natural ability.
The next Hurdle for Black footballers (in my opinion) is to break this thought that I believe exists, that they can't perform in high level managerial rolls, in the same way that they weren't considered of value by some people in football when things got tough.
What is the percentage of Black players at the highest level of football? Yet They don't seem to make that step into Management. Why is that? If Frank Lampard was black then I'm certain that he wouldn't have got the opportunities that he has, and he'll get another one. Just my thoughts.
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Tuerto
I tend to agree with you. I think it's a societal problem, or certainly a problem within high end, high pressure managerial rolls. Black footballers had to work hard for acceptance during the 60s 70s and 80s, that obstacle has almost been eradicated, although there are still plenty of racists out there.
There was a thought amongst racists that Black players back then weren't up for a cold Tuesday night in Stoke, that they were Lazy. Nathan Blake was called Lazy by some of our support, even though he was by far our best player, I can't recall Whittington being called Lazy in the same way Blake was, both similar in terms of natural ability.
The next Hurdle for Black footballers (in my opinion) is to break this thought that I believe exists, that they can't perform in high level managerial rolls, in the same way that they weren't considered of value by some people in football when things got tough.
What is the percentage of Black players at the highest level of football? Yet They don't seem to make that step into Management. Why is that? If Frank Lampard was black then I'm certain that he wouldn't have got the opportunities that he has, and he'll get another one. Just my thoughts.
i dont know if youve forgotton or just providing a selective memory but Whittingham was very often called lazy, in fact he probably got that tag more than Blake with the emergence of forums and social media.
not to decry your post as a whole, but that comparison seems a little disingenuous
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TheGoose
i dont know if youve forgotton or just providing a selective memory but Whittingham was very often called lazy, in fact he probably got that tag more than Blake with the emergence of forums and social media.
not to decry your post as a whole, but that comparison seems a little disingenuous
Fair enough, I can't recall it. I can remember people saying that he doesn't tackle or track back, they were more descriptive with their criticism of Whitts, they gave reasons as opposed to the general 'Lazy' tag that was thrusted on Blake. Just my recollection of things, happy to hear other viewpoints or be corrected.
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J R Hartley
That is your opinion and I respectfully disagree. Sub concious racism is rife in football. Plenty of concious racism too. Darren Moore himself was racially abused by his own "fans" after the first leg v Peterborough.
To be fair, there is no indication as to what the schism was between the manager and board at Wednesday and it's not advisable to jump to conclusions.
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J R Hartley
That is your opinion and I respectfully disagree.
So you reckon Moore was moved on by the Thai owner who employed him in the first place because of his colour?
I don't. I think it's far more likely that Moore was moved on after losing the owner's confidence because his team blew a big lead last season and eventually got promoted thanks to a last-minute winner in the play-off final.
Moore himself will know the score. He walked out on Doncaster midway through the season to join Sheffield Wednesday. He'll know there is very little loyalty in this game.
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The Lone Gunman
So you reckon Moore was moved on by the Thai owner who employed him in the first place because of his colour?
I don't. I think it's far more likely that Moore was moved on after losing the owner's confidence because his team blew a big lead last season and eventually got promoted thanks to a last-minute winner in the play-off final.
Moore himself will know the score. He walked out on Doncaster midway through the season to join Sheffield Wednesday. He'll know there is very little loyalty in this game.
They hardly threw promotion away, they still amassed 96 points which most years gets you promoted and wins the title.
Yes, they had an 8 game blip at the wrong time of the season, it happens in a 46 game season. Prior to that blip they had taken 34 out of 39 points. Ipswich going on a Man City-esque run of 41 points of 45 in their last 15 games was unfortunate for them.
It is an incredibly harsh sacking, more so than Gary O Neils IMO.
Yes, Darren Moore is a big boy and knows theres no loyalty in football but he was a very popular manager at Sheffield Wednesday and the fans are not happy. Well, maybe the racist ones are.
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Ron Atkinson labelled a world cup squad frenchmen as a typical lazy nggr
Now Atkinson may have played black talent in his side but that doesn't mean he wasn't a racist . And he certainly was to use that sort of language .
Blakey was sometimes called lazy which was no doubt due the stereotypical view of some of our brain dead with regard to his carribean heritage
The old he goes missing on a Tuesday night in the rain cobblers
I heard witts given the bird by our lot for being laid back and not tracking plenty of times
I never heard him getting any abuse because of his ethnic origin
Sheffield like Cardiff is multi racial but like the owner that's not to say there might not be racist overtones to his sacking
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Ron Atkinson labelled a world cup squad frenchmen as a typical lazy nggr
Now Atkinson may have played black talent in his side but that doesn't mean he wasn't a racist . And he certainly was to use that sort of language .
Blakey was sometimes called lazy which was no doubt due the stereotypical view of some of our brain dead with regard to his carribean heritage
The old he goes missing on a Tuesday night in the rain cobblers
I heard witts given the bird by our lot for being laid back and not tracking plenty of times
I never heard him getting any abuse because of his ethnic origin
Sheffield like Cardiff is multi racial but like the owner that's not to say there might not be racist overtones to his sacking
In fairness, we have absolutely zero evidence to say that Moore was sacked on racial grounds, and i don't think he was. The rest of the stuff you've written, i agree entirely.
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J R Hartley
They hardly threw promotion away, they still amassed 96 points which most years gets you promoted and wins the title.
That’s as maybe, but the fact is that Sheffield were top of the table and five points clear of third with two games in hand in mid-March. They ended up third and scraped promotion via the play-offs.
Personally, I don’t believe that race is even a remote element in this particular situation. No doubt it has been in plenty of others, but not this one and not the Palace situation either.
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Is there racism in football, as there is in society at large? Of course. Is every bad thing that happens to a person of colour down to racism? Of course not.
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The reaction of Wednesday fans seems to be one of genuine amazement - I see Vitor Campelos is being linked with them.
https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/to...has-left-swfc/
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Robin Friday's Ghost
Unlikely to see him going for the City job if Bulut gets the chop then!
Not if - when!
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And now he’s going to be a league 2 manager.