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FA Cup replays scrapped
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Re: FA Cup replays scrapped
Oh dear. Another kick in the balls for the lower leagues. I can see it from both sides but being a football romantic this just doesnt sit well with me.
I thought they had it right this season with replays scrapped from 5th round onwards.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Oh dear. Another kick in the balls for the lower leagues. I can see it from both sides but being a football romantic this just doesnt sit well with me.
As long as the premier league big boys are alright though...
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Undercoverinwurzelland
As long as the premier league big boys are alright though...
As i said, I can also see it from their perspective, the teams who go furthest in the various competitions they enter, especially the ones in Europe, there are too many games. Particualrly those with many international regulars. These guys are still human remember. Thats why I didnt think scrapping them from 5th round and the business end of the season onwards was such a bad idea.
But to take away the opportunity for a lower league team to earn a replay against a premier league club in rounds 3 and 4, I think thats shit.
It should have been left as it was at least, or if wanting to do something about the number of games maybe they could make replyas optional in the earlier roudns. ie if both clubs in the tie agree that they are both happy to proceed without a replay before a ball is kicked then that option is there for them.
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J R Hartley
As i said, I can also see it from their perspective, the teams who go furthest in the various competitions they enter, especially the ones in Europe, there are too many games. Particualrly those with many international regulars. These guys are still human remember. Thats why I didnt think scrapping them from 5th round and the business end of the season onwards was such a bad idea.
But to take away the opportunity for a lower league team to earn a replay against a premier league club in rounds 3 and 4, I think thats shit.
It should have been left as it was at least, or if wanting to do something about the number of games maybe they could make replyas optional in the earlier roudns. ie if both clubs in the tie agree that they are both happy to proceed without a replay before a ball is kicked then that option is there for them.
I don't think the players and being tired come into it
It's all about money
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The enshittification of football continues.
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Always think it's ironic when 'Pep' and his chums moan about the number of games they have to play. Yes, you're playing those many games because you're winning every competition you enter..
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I'd rather they kept the FA Cup replays but binned the League Cup.
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JumpersforGoalposts
I'd rather they kept the FA Cup replays but binned the League Cup.
Or just banned PL teams from it.
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A Quiet Monkfish
Always think it's ironic when 'Pep' and his chums moan about the number of games they have to play. Yes, you're playing those many games because you're winning every competition you enter..
And signing every youngster with any promise, so that the little clubs can't even compete there.
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J R Hartley
As i said, I can also see it from their perspective, the teams who go furthest in the various competitions they enter, especially the ones in Europe, there are too many games. Particualrly those with many international regulars. These guys are still human remember. Thats why I didnt think scrapping them from 5th round and the business end of the season onwards was such a bad idea.
But to take away the opportunity for a lower league team to earn a replay against a premier league club in rounds 3 and 4, I think thats shit.
It should have been left as it was at least, or if wanting to do something about the number of games maybe they could make replyas optional in the earlier roudns. ie if both clubs in the tie agree that they are both happy to proceed without a replay before a ball is kicked then that option is there for them.
Make the European game straight two legged knock out from the start rather than the ridiculous, sometimes boring, league system which swamps domestic football for 75% of the season. The European Cup was much better in the past. Teams had to be on their mettle all the time rather than having many other chances to get to the latter stages.
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Good. Sensible decision. After all, if mid-table Championship clubs like ours are treating the FA Cup with contempt by fielding reserve sides in third round ties, then it’s blatantly obvious the competition needs restructuring.
There is simply far too much football at all levels these days. That should be obvious to everyone who follows the sport in this country.
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Not a bad idea . The Leagues are the key targets now , so many teams in the leagues under value cup competitions anyway .
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How do replays in the first and second rounds affect European competition? That part makes no sense at all.
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splott parker
Make the European game straight two legged knock out from the start rather than the ridiculous, sometimes boring, league system which swamps domestic football for 75% of the season. The European Cup was much better in the past. Teams had to be on their mettle all the time rather than having many other chances to get to the latter stages.
Well thats never going to happen in a million years. UEFA have a lot more clout than the Football League!
I cant believe the big leagues and clubs havent got together and told international football to sling its hook. 100 million pounbd assets, being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds per week, being loaned to their countries for around 10-15 games a season. Could save players playing many games there.
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J R Hartley
As i said, I can also see it from their perspective, the teams who go furthest in the various competitions they enter, especially the ones in Europe, there are too many games. Particualrly those with many international regulars. These guys are still human remember. Thats why I didnt think scrapping them from 5th round and the business end of the season onwards was such a bad idea.
But to take away the opportunity for a lower league team to earn a replay against a premier league club in rounds 3 and 4, I think thats shit.
It should have been left as it was at least, or if wanting to do something about the number of games maybe they could make replyas optional in the earlier roudns. ie if both clubs in the tie agree that they are both happy to proceed without a replay before a ball is kicked then that option is there for them.
I don't make a habit of listening to talksport but I had it on in the car last night to listen to the Liverpool game, afterwards they mentioned the teams in Europe not playing in the league cup, it made sense. You could keep the replays as they had them in the FA Cup then, they're pretty rare if you looked at it percentage wise so the likelihood of the teams in Europe being faced with a replay would be small, and they'd also not have the games from the league cup, makes sense to me.
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J R Hartley
Well thats never going to happen in a million years. UEFA have a lot more clout than the Football League!
I cant believe the big leagues and clubs havent got together and told international football to sling its hook. 100 million pounbd assets, being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds per week, being loaned to their countries for around 10-15 games a season. Could save players playing many games there.
There’s far too many games being played by the big boys now, much better to can the FA cup replays than give up on those pre season important cup games in Australia, the USA , Far East and Middle East 🤔
For the third round they could seed all the teams with the lower leagues being guaranteed a home tie
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splott parker
Make the European game straight two legged knock out from the start rather than the ridiculous, sometimes boring, league system which swamps domestic football for 75% of the season. The European Cup was much better in the past. Teams had to be on their mettle all the time rather than having many other chances to get to the latter stages.
I like having European football to watch midweek, as do millions of others.
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J R Hartley
Well thats never going to happen in a million years. UEFA have a lot more clout than the Football League!
I cant believe the big leagues and clubs havent got together and told international football to sling its hook. 100 million pounbd assets, being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds per week, being loaned to their countries for around 10-15 games a season. Could save players playing many games there.
Way too many international games played. Teams should be allowed to play in qualifiers and set up their own friendlies. All these international breaks ruin momentum in the league, a Leeds fan in work was on about it Saturday night just gone.
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olderblue
For the third round they could seed all the teams with the lower leagues being guaranteed a home tie
Good shout that.
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Dembe
Way too many international games played. Teams should be allowed to play in qualifiers and set up their own friendlies. All these international breaks ruin momentum in the league, a Leeds fan in work was on about it Saturday night just gone.
I agree. From a betting point of view too I fecking hate the international break.
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Dembe
I don't make a habit of listening to talksport but I had it on in the car last night to listen to the Liverpool game, afterwards they mentioned the teams in Europe not playing in the league cup, it made sense. You could keep the replays as they had them in the FA Cup then, they're pretty rare if you looked at it percentage wise so the likelihood of the teams in Europe being faced with a replay would be small, and they'd also not have the games from the league cup, makes sense to me.
Ive said that for many a year, league cup for teams not competing in Europe.
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The Lone Gunman
Good. Sensible decision. After all, if mid-table Championship clubs like ours are treating the FA Cup with contempt by fielding reserve sides in third round ties, then it’s blatantly obvious the competition needs restructuring.
There is simply far too much football at all levels these days. That should be obvious to everyone who follows the sport in this country.
I agree
The sooner we have just 5 clubs playing each other on a round Robin the better
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Dembe
I like having European football to watch midweek, as do millions of others.
And millions don’t bother watching the group games, many of them dead rubbers. A bit contradictory managers & coaches complaining about too many games yet condone the present system. It’s all geared to the television fan. With our 24 team division we’re very often in action anyway on Champions League nights, so we’re either down the City or, if we’re away, watching us in our houses rather than a European match.
I rarely watch a Champions League group game and as for the other Euro competitions, never.
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splott parker
It’s all geared to the television fan.
Not really, (Close your eyes Sludge) I know quite a few lads from Merthyr who follow Liverpool everywhere and the group stages gives them at least 3 european trips most seasons. Judging by the amount of fans English clubs take abroad I imagine they are happy with the group stages too.
Then theres the clubs who dont get into Europe every season, the group stages are great for those clubs and the fans who follow them.
They might be a bjt boring for the teams that always reach the quarter finals onwards but in the main I think the group stages cater well for the rest.
As a TV fan of the Champions League though I dont really bother until rounds 5 or 6 of the group stages.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I agree with scrapping relays
I think fundamentally cup ties should be a one-off and decided on the day
How often do lower league teams hold a Prem team at home to get this money-spinning replay? More often it’s Championship teams drawing (or League 1/2) and getting another game no-one wants, including the fans.
As for lower league teams complaining they won’t get a shot at a big boy, who’s to say they won’t win a game on penalties then get an even bigger away tie in the next round?
Also think it’s a concern teams might be playing for a draw when they should be all out to win
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J R Hartley
Good shout that.
Wouldn't many small clubs prefer playing away from home due to the larger gate receipts that are split?
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Der Kaiser
Wouldn't many small clubs prefer playing away from home due to the larger gate receipts that are split?
Possibly. Maybe they could be given the option of giving up home advantage if they wish to.
Its flawed when I think about it anyway. The best team ie Man City Rank number 1 will have the easiest (on paper) draw every round.
Maybe they could seed x amount of best teams and lower teams every round and still do a draw.
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J R Hartley
Not really, (Close your eyes Sludge) I know quite a few lads from Merthyr who follow Liverpool everywhere and the group stages gives them at least 3 european trips most seasons. Judging by the amount of fans English clubs take abroad I imagine they are happy with the group stages too.
Then theres the clubs who dont get into Europe every season, the group stages are great for those clubs and the fans who follow them.
They might be a bjt boring for the teams that always reach the quarter finals onwards but in the main I think the group stages cater well for the rest.
As a TV fan of the Champions League though I dont really bother until rounds 5 or 6 of the group stages.
Yes, I agree that fans of clubs may enjoy the group stages and I’d love us to be involved. But I’d find it annoying if our manager, if it ever happened, then complained that we were playing too many games and the players were tired.
It would be more exciting for fans of the not so glamorous clubs having a chance of progressing through the old two legged system. Unfortunately the days of Malmo, Hamburg, Forest, Bruges etc are long gone. Cup games and competition should be all about ‘on the day’ not a long drawn out execution.
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This decision needs to be reversed. Surely the big clubs moaning about too much football have big enough squads to cope
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bobh
Or just banned PL teams from it.
Or maybe just clubs in Europe but with the winners still qualifying for a European Competition
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splott parker
Yes, I agree that fans of clubs may enjoy the group stages and I’d love us to be involved. But I’d find it annoying if our manager, if it ever happened, then complained that we were playing too many games and the players were tired.
It would be more exciting for fans of the not so glamorous clubs having a chance of progressing through the old two legged system. Unfortunately the days of Malmo, Hamburg, Forest, Bruges etc are long gone. Cup games and competition should be all about ‘on the day’ not a long drawn out execution.
Sadly those days are long gone regardless of the format. The big European clubs now snap up the very best young european (and south american too) talent from a very young age. Gone are the days the very best talent in Holland all coming through the Ajax first team at the same time.
There was a good article in The Athletic on the subject recently, in particular the eastern bloc teams of the past and how we wont see that again.
In some respects thats why the Europa League is a bit more interesting for the neutral and football romantic come the latter stages, although Seville started to ruin that by winning it every year!!
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J R Hartley
Ive said that for many a year, league cup for teams not competing in Europe.
Won't happen, there'll be some bollocks about sponsorship, but thats definitely the way to go.
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PontBlue
Or maybe just clubs in Europe but with the winners still qualifying for a European Competition
Don't they qualify for the conference league? Im only asking as im not sure. I think th best way would be for the league cup to be played by teams that don't qualify for Europe. I think replays should stay up until the later rounds like they had as well.
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Dembe
Won't happen, there'll be some bollocks about sponsorship, but thats definitely the way to go.
Yeah the sponsors wont be happy if the big boys are not in their competiion, youre right
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J R Hartley
Yeah the sponsors wont be happy if the big boys are not in their competiion, youre right
As pointed out on talkshite, who the **** drinks carabao anyway?
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Dembe
As pointed out on talkshite, who the **** drinks carabao anyway?
Erling Haaland :hehe:
if Jamie Redknapp wears Skechers then anything is possible.
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I think premier teams sometimes have a bad day and then beatable. There is more chance of the bad day happening in the one game scenario
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J R Hartley
Sadly those days are long gone regardless of the format. The big European clubs now snap up the very best young european (and south american too) talent from a very young age. Gone are the days the very best talent in Holland all coming through the Ajax first team at the same time.
There was a good article in The Athletic on the subject recently, in particular the eastern bloc teams of the past and how we wont see that again.
In some respects thats why the Europa League is a bit more interesting for the neutral and football romantic come the latter stages, although Seville started to ruin that by winning it every year!!
They are I know. I’m just reminiscing about the competitions of my youth, through rose tinted specs as well, no doubt. Perhaps us older fans are lucky in a way that we’ve seen most formats in our day. None of us witnessed the original FA Cup format though, when it was the FA Challenge Trophy. The winners of the previous season were automatically in the final the next season, waiting to be challenged by the team who got through the preceding rounds. Wanderers had to play a series of friendlies to warm waiting to see who they faced in the final TV would be apoplectic nowadays :hehe:
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It's understandable that people are blaming the big boys for the scrapping of FA Cup replays, but the irony is that Manchester City take the competition far more seriously than the likes of Cardiff City do.
We've reached the stage where mid-ranking League One clubs are making rafts of changes for FA Cup ties. The situation has got that silly.