Tim Farron resigns as Lib Dem leader

His statement includes:

“The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader. A better, wiser person than me may have been able to deal with this more successfully, to have remained faithful to Christ while leading a political party in the current environment. To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible’s teaching, has felt impossible for me.”

If he can't reconcile his medieval religious beliefs with his party's progressive social policies how can he continue to function as a Lib Dem MP?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-politics-live

Sorry Jon but if you quoted his full speech then you will see that his personal religious beliefs never interefered with his political views on equality and this has been clearly evident in his political career.

It seems to me that it's great to defend gay people, muslims or any other group but christians are the scum of the earth no matter what and should be hung drawn and quartered!

Farron has been faithful to his beliefs ( after the Election mind you ) and done the decent thing.

God squad nerd May however ( I always worry about people with too much religion ) has felt comfortable signing up
with the UK's biggest bunch of bigots in a desperate attempt to keep herself in power.

Shame on you May !

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

Sorry Jon but if you quoted his full speech then you will see that his personal religious beliefs never interefered with his political views on equality and this has been clearly evident in his political career.

It seems to me that it's great to defend gay people, muslims or any other group but christians are the scum of the earth no matter what and should be hung drawn and quartered!

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Only the older , sexist ,bigoted ,white male Christians , who are homophobic , drunked , porn watchers ,and a very bad evil species .

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

Sorry Jon but if you quoted his full speech then you will see that his personal religious beliefs never interefered with his political views on equality and this has been clearly evident in his political career.

It seems to me that it's great to defend gay people, muslims or any other group but christians are the scum of the earth no matter what and should be hung drawn and quartered!

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Not at all. Some of my best friends (and family) are Christians. They are not scum at all. Fine people. However, none of them have Farron's particular views on gay people etc.

I did read his full speech but it's too long to quote it all in a post. I just fail to see how the dilema he describes as impossible for him as party leader is not also impossible for him as an MP.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Not at all. Some of my best friends (and family) are Christians. They are not scum at all. Fine people. However, none of them have Farron's particular views on gay people etc.

I did read his full speech but it's too long to quote it all in a post. I just fail to see how the dilema he describes as impossible for him as party leader is not also impossible for him as an MP.

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His personal bible beliefs never interfered with his political views on equality and he was very pro gay and lgbt rights so i don't understand why he's been under so much pressure regarding it.

I wonder what Sadiq Khan's private views about Islam and homosexuality are?

As long as these views are overridden with a view that everyone deserves equality, does it matter what he believes people will answer to God about in the next life?

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

Sorry Jon but if you quoted his full speech then you will see that his personal religious beliefs never interefered with his political views on equality and this has been clearly evident in his political career.

It seems to me that it's great to defend gay people, muslims or any other group but christians are the scum of the earth no matter what and should be hung drawn and quartered!

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Bit harsh mate

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

His personal bible beliefs never interfered with his political views on equality and he was very pro gay and lgbt rights so i don't understand why he's been under so much pressure regarding it.

I wonder what Sadiq Khan's private views about Islam and homosexuality are?

As long as these views are overridden with a view that everyone deserves equality, does it matter what he believes people will answer to God about in the next life?

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You have to appear authentic as a politician, they all get it for some reason or another - Corbyn on IRA et al, May on everything because she is a robot which has no thoughts or feelings and Farron on teh gayz.

There is a massive amount of hypocrisy in the 'outrage' shown towards his comments, as there usually is with the nonsense that politicians get shot down with. The simple fact is that Farron wasn't getting the Lib Dems anywhere and it is probably the right time to go, seems like a decent chap mind.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

You have to appear authentic as a politician, they all get it for some reason or another - Corbyn on IRA et al, May on everything because she is a robot which has no thoughts or feelings and Farron on teh gayz.

There is a massive amount of hypocrisy in the 'outrage' shown towards his comments, as there usually is with the nonsense that politicians get shot down with. The simple fact is that Farron wasn't getting the Lib Dems anywhere and it is probably the right time to go, seems like a decent chap mind.

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Most Liberals do cone accross haldane decent , Clegg, Cable ,Daley, Lamb, Morgan and the next leader hopefully Jo Swinson.

So apparently the UK is not a free liberal society because we don't we don't tolerate the archaic practices of some religion.

You're leaving the leadership because you are shite, nothing else.

Edit - I can't find the quote but he mentioned that the UK is not a free liberal society because we dont tolerate peoples religious beliefs.

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Originally Posted by LordKenwyne

So apparently the UK is not a free liberal society because we don't we don't tolerate the archaic practices of some religion.

You're leaving the leadership because you are shite, nothing else.

Edit - I can't find the quote but he mentioned that the UK is not a free liberal society because we don't tolerate peoples religious beliefs.

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There a lot of bigots in the world , and when it fits and agenda they call that card out, Farron is probably a very decent person,just no universally popular and looks slick .

Society is a joke

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Originally Posted by life on mars

There a lot of bigots in the world , and when it fits and agenda they call that card out, Farron is probably a very decent person,just no universally popular and looks slick .

Society is a joke

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I'm not sure what you really mean here.

Is it tolerant to tolerate other peoples intolerance?.

Farron can have his beliefs. He has harmed no one. He never said he wanted to change any laws. He is harmless and is being attacked for his set of principles.

But the way he is talking he opens up a can of worms. What is liberalism? The blanket acceptance of absolutely any belief?.

Does the UK have a set of principles that needs to be protected?. Do we frown upon certain religious practises/beliefs?. Apparently not.

Tim Farron has got some though.

He is contradicting himself.

Still don't understand what he's supposed to have done wrong :shrug:.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Ah little Timmy got himself in a state over this one.
He believes that homosexuality is some sort of sin.... but he yet he is ok with it - as that is his personal belief. So just as a person can be gay - Timmy is also 'free' to think it's a sin - or whatever words he used.

At least he was honest (or rather got found out). He should have miss spoken like our Dianne did. It's not as if he is short on words usually. The Lib Dems are a bit strange in that respect. Simon Hughes (now Sir) was gay in his past - then tried to cover it up (how is that being free).

Mark Oaten took it a step further - he was so open and free - he started paying for rent boys to entertain him - free very and liberal. And old Jeremy Thorpe went to court for attempting to murder his ex gay boyfriend / just good friend etc.

If being a liberal means you need liberal values - then saying being gay is a sin sort of excludes you from the lib dem club house....

I suppose Vince the Rinse is now in the running for 'leader'

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And in reply to The other bob wilson's comment:

I think it is getting to the point where politicians just say no comment to any question from the left field.

Slightly off topic, Theresa May was put on the spot with that question "whats the naughtiest thing you have ever done".

Someone said on the radio yesterday, "would they ask a john major or gordon brown that question?." No chance. It is because she is women. They were trying to demean her.

She gave a tame response granted, but what do you want her to say? She did crack in vegas or something.

Funny that everyone laughing at her when asked the same question replies with "that is too naughty for you to know" Corbyn said it.

Not good enough, I want an answer.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

His private religious views were apparently that homosexuality was a sin in the eyes of 'God' etc etc
The problem for him was that his private religious views became public, and when he was asked in public if he thought homosexuality was a sin etc - he stumbled and as I recall couldnt or wouldnt answer, other than to say his personal religious views were just that, private.

So what he has done 'wrong' is not say that he thinks being gay is a sin.

Anyone who bases their views on this - is a bit 'gay' in my opinion - to be politically incorrect and attempt at humour :hehe:

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And that's enough to force the leader of a party that was part of the Government a couple of years ago to resign?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jenn..._16095906.html


If we now have "thought police" in this country then i think we're all in trouble!

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jenn..._16095906.html


If we now have "thought police" in this country then i think we're all in trouble!

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Well lets hope they get onto May's case as soon as possible.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Still don't understand what he's supposed to have done wrong :shrug:.

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

Sorry Jon but if you quoted his full speech then you will see that his personal religious beliefs never interefered with his political views on equality and this has been clearly evident in his political career.

It seems to me that it's great to defend gay people, muslims or any other group but christians are the scum of the earth no matter what and should be hung drawn and quartered!

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It's allmost become a crime to be a christian in a pre dominantly christian country, Christians are fair game to be attacked over anything and everything, however in parts of the world, they do not ridicule them, they are just making them extinct via mass slaughter whilst the eyes and mouths of the liberal left keep shut. all religun is bollox and is just a control tool to manipulate large sections of society into disorder, divide and conquer

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

Sorry Jon but if you quoted his full speech then you will see that his personal religious beliefs never interefered with his political views on equality and this has been clearly evident in his political career.

It seems to me that it's great to defend gay people, muslims or any other group but christians are the scum of the earth no matter what and should be hung drawn and quartered!

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Sad but true.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Sad but true.

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I don't see it myself. Where should I be looking for all this vitriolic hate of Christians?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I don't see it myself. Where should I be looking for all this vitriolic hate of Christians?

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Open your eyes Eric, we're locking up all the Christians. You must have noticed.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Apparently so....

Replace the word Gay with a derogation term beginning with P

Farron says he personally finds P's sinful, that is his religious opinion and he wont change it, and the party which he represents is fine with people who are P's - it's just that his religion doesnt like people who are P's. A bit like Labour being a little bit anti Semitic or The Tories who are famously anti ginger.

You cant be religiously intolerant, sexually intolerant, or gender intolerant - especially if you are representing a party which is based on liberal freedoms and general tolerance of all.

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Why don't the media hound and victimise other MP's and the London Mayor, whose religious beliefs are also incongruent to gender equality and acceptance of homosexuality ?

There is a rank hypocrisy permeating throughout the media, social media and others with an agenda to ridicule and almost persecute Christians, yet abjectly fail to be consistent with this approach to those of other religions.

This inequality is creating a vast number of disenfranchised people and we may be close to seeing the consequences of that agenda.

Day 1 may have already started.

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Originally Posted by JDerrida

There is a rank hypocrisy permeating throughout the media, social media and others with an agenda to ridicule and almost persecute Christians, yet abjectly fail to be consistent with this approach to those of other religions.

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Tim was treated badly. Who else are we talking about? I don't read the print media but I am not aware of a campaign against Christians.