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Well I for one won't fofget that Spectator article in a hurry. Given that you did not quite cut and paste it all it might have been easier just to post the link.
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Jezza won't be around for ever, but he is the only one who can break the current status quo. Otherwise it's a choice between Tory and Tory light (Blairites), and to be fair, the Tories aren't even proper Tories anymore.
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Jezza won't be around for ever, but he is the only one who can break the current status quo. Otherwise it's a choice between Tory and Tory light (Blairites), and to be fair, the Tories aren't even proper Tories anymore.
Is anyone really anyone anymore? :biggrin:
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I for one would prefer to have a Labour leader or PM , who has British values at heart . We're not perfect, but we're better than most, and we should respect that, before sliding towards extreme politics .
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I for one would prefer to have a Labour leader or PM , who has British values at heart . We're not perfect, but we're better than most, and we should respect that, before sliding towards extreme politics .
He's a Commie, Marxist, are they British values.
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He's a Commie, Marxist, are they British values.
Nope .
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You guys will have to start building a new party then, as there is no other viable option out there right now.
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You guys will have to start building a new party then, as there is no other viable option out there right now.
A new party would be a very good idea in.my opinion
Tories and Labour are both veering away from the centre.
Problem would be finding a decent leader.
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Well I for one won't fofget that Spectator article in a hurry. Given that you did not quite cut and paste it all it might have been easier just to post the link.
But whsy id you view on it?
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Wales-Bales
Jezza won't be around for ever, but he is the only one who can break the current status quo. Otherwise it's a choice between Tory and Tory light (Blairites), and to be fair, the Tories aren't even proper Tories anymore.
If he is the only one we are in deep trouble
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If he is the only one we are in deep trouble
Indeed, now I'm depressed, cant imagine the dystopia world we would be in ,and how dumbed down ones thoughts would have to be to survive.
No need to work though, no foreign owners , free transport, thousands of extra police , which is a plus I guess .
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But whsy id you view on it?
I agree that politicians should be called to account for their previous words, actions and behaviours and Corbyn has a lot of form in that area. I also think that when you go down that road then you set the bar for all and there are enough politicians across he spectrum who might fail to reach the required standard. The article itself gets carried away with its own rhetoric and the writer's own perceived cleverness when chucking out his alt-left stan Lolshevik epithets in the penultimate paragraph and ends up looking smugger than necessary in making (a well worn) point. What about you?
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A new party would be a very good idea in.my opinion
Tories and Labour are both veering away from the centre.
Problem would be finding a decent leader.
It's very unlikely that it would succeed. The SDP seemed like it was going to be a success but it never happened, despite having good leaders.
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If he is the only one we are in deep trouble
Like I said he won't be around forever, and right now he is the only person capable of breaking up the existing status quo.
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It's very unlikely that it would succeed. The SDP seemed like it was going to be a success but it never happened, despite having good leaders.
Not unless the media led brainwashed masses over here wake up. At least America has shown that some kind of change can be achieved if people think for themselves.
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Not unless the media led brainwashed masses over here wake up. At least America has shown that some kind of change can be achieved if people think for themselves.
WB, you continually put yourself above other people and explain how your thoughts and analytical processes are superior to other people's but you often blatantly mis-quote posters and précis their comments incorrectly. You very often see only side of an argument while painting yourself as even minded. Personally, I have given up trying to rationally discuss anything with you.
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WB, you continually put yourself above other people and explain how your thoughts and analytical processes are superior to other people's but you often blatantly mis-quote posters and précis their comments incorrectly. You very often see only side of an argument while painting yourself as even minded. Personally, I have given up trying to rationally discuss anything with you.
Not the first and won't be the last, TBG.
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It's very unlikely that it would succeed. The SDP seemed like it was going to be a success but it never happened, despite having good leaders.
Yes well I didn't say it would be easy
Difference now may be that such a party could possibly attract MP's from both major parties.
But it would need oodles of money, snd success would still be questionable.
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Yes well I didn't say it would be easy
Difference now may be that such a party could possibly attract MP's from both major parties.
But it would need oodles of money, snd success would still be questionable.
I can't see it happening anytime soon it seems to me this is about a leadership person issue and if Labour were to change its Leadership for a Kier type person it may make further ground on the Tories beleaguered position , however if say the Tories found a younger , modern , fresher , voice say Ruth Davidson it too would sweep ahead and probaly recover the centre ground anyway ,whereas Labour if it stayed left , may struggle , even with a new leader, the current Tory problem, is it looks and smells old .
As an offshoot comment , I heard on the radio the other day that the Conservatives are the most successful political party in the history of western democracy .
( not great news for middle ground socialist I guess, as even the successful Blair, is now deemed a Tory among some)
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WB, you continually put yourself above other people and explain how your thoughts and analytical processes are superior to other people's but you often blatantly mis-quote posters and précis their comments incorrectly. You very often see only side of an argument while painting yourself as even minded. Personally, I have given up trying to rationally discuss anything with you.
In what way? You just need people to vote for something that isn't the status quo. Could the average person do that? I doubt it very much, as they have been conditioned by the media to think that only two political parties could do the job. Is this true? Is your average MP really clever? Or do they employ advisors, experts and think-tanks? Once they formulate policy do they implement it, or do civil servants have responsibility for that? My cousin is a PA to a sitting MP, so I have my own thoughts about this.
PS why the continual personal attacks? You and your pals always attack the person and not the idea. Your debating skills are very juvenile.
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Not the first and won't be the last, TBG.
Here comes the calvary, Mr Trump Russia Collusion deluded lardy.
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Elwood Blues
Yes well I didn't say it would be easy
Difference now may be that such a party could possibly attract MP's from both major parties.
But it would need oodles of money, snd success would still be questionable.
MP's from both major parties are probably the last thing you would need, they would try to turn it in the LabCon party :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
In what way? You just need people to vote for something that isn't the status quo. Could the average person do that? I doubt it very much, as they have been conditioned by the media to think that only two political parties could do the job. Is this true? Is your average MP really clever? Or do they employ advisors, experts and think-tanks? Once they formulate policy do they implement it, or do civil servants have responsibility for that? My cousin is a PA to a sitting MP, so I have my own thoughts about this.
PS why the continual personal attacks? You and your pals always attack the person and not the idea. Your debating skills are very juvenile.
Irony alert.