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The children of Windrush
In May’s “toxic environment” you can live, work & pay taxes in Britain for over half a century - yet still be denied life saving NHS care, lose your job & be treated with utter contempt.
Toxic? This is inhumane, vicious & utterly indefensible.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ration-amnesty
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Wasn't one of Tony Blair's murky foundations named Windrush? He shut it down pretty sharpish once Trump came on the scene, and had his eye on the Clinton Foundation.
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When I read about this story I sat and contemplated their plight against the backdrop of non-doms and worshipped tax-exiles from sport and business for just a few moments. What a ****ing stupid country we live in.
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Wales-Bales
Wasn't one of Tony Blair's murky foundations named Windrush? He shut it down pretty sharpish once Trump came on the scene, and had his eye on the Clinton Foundation.
http://viz.wikia.com/wiki/Roger_Irrelevant
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CardiffIrish2
Harsh. I've only heard the name Windrush on two occasions. I was just wondering why Blair chose that name, something to do with moving people perhaps?
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I assume you’ve read the article and are aware of the awful way these UK citizens have been treated? This government stinks.
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Indeed dreadful stuff ,it seems no one has suffered and the government today has committed to a fix Mrs Rudd was annoyed at someone in the backroom over this
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Auntie Andy
I assume you’ve read the article and are aware of the awful way these UK citizens have been treated? This government stinks.
It's not just West Indian people who are being carted off to immigration centres for deportation, there have been many other cases too. It looks like they are going through government databases with a fine tooth comb looking for the flimsiest of cases.
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goes way back apparently to 1973 so various governments
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Wales-Bales
It's not just West Indian people who are being carted off to immigration centres for deportation, there have been many other cases too. It looks like they are going through government databases with a fine tooth comb looking for the flimsiest of cases.
Like this well documented case in Cardiff.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...orted-13237652
The way that young man was treated was just awful.
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life on mars
goes way back apparently to 1973 so various governments
No, just the tories
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...emoved-in-2014
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What seems particularly bad in regards to timing is that it’s been 50 years this week since Enoch Powell’s Rivers Of Blood speech.
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Beat me to it :thumbup:
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life on mars
goes way back apparently to 1973 so various governments
Your Government is supporting a guide to help those not properly British live at 'home' in Jamaica. The first page tells people the area code for Jamaica.
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ninianclark
Sounds to me like a change was made, consequences not thought through and civil servants carrying it out to the letter etc.
Has anyone been deported ?, I dont think they have. It will be amended as soon as possible to ensure it doesnt happen I would have thought.
"New Home Office guidance relating to Commonwealth citizens who arrived in the UK before January 1973 says they will “most likely” have settled status and “the chances are” they are entitled to permanent residency.
Immigration minister Caroline Nokes appeared to suggest that some individuals may already have been deported in error.
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/new...sh-generation/
A Home Office spokesperson said: “We are clear that Commonwealth citizens living in the UK before 1 January 1973 are adequately protected from removal – to report otherwise would be misleading. Legislation is complex and, when revising it, it is the normal process to simplify it where possible and remove duplications in law.”
I think you’ll find people have been deported. Why are people so quick to defend this government when they have clearly treated their own citizens in this way?
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/new...sh-generation/
Oh and also civil servants carry out the laws set out by government, this government.
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ninianclark
Sounds to me like a change was made, consequences not thought through and civil servants carrying it out to the letter etc.
Has anyone been deported ?, I dont think they have. It will be amended as soon as possible to ensure it doesnt happen I would have thought.
"New Home Office guidance relating to Commonwealth citizens who arrived in the UK before January 1973 says they will “most likely” have settled status and “the chances are” they are entitled to permanent residency.
A Home Office spokesperson said: “We are clear that Commonwealth citizens living in the UK before 1 January 1973 are adequately protected from removal – to report otherwise would be misleading. Legislation is complex and, when revising it, it is the normal process to simplify it where possible and remove duplications in law.”
Do agree monumental civil servant cock up rather than for some nasty political malicious reasons , the output if deliberate has no real impact on immigration figures ,it would just create awful headlines and pain for these poor people .
Glad it's been spotted and stopped , now onto fixing the issues of other victims, isolated by poor poltics views and thoughts .
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Auntie Andy
Why are people so quick to defend this government when they have clearly treated their own citizens in this way?
It is a strange reaction considering they actively changed the law, this hasn't landed upon them. They were either thick or evil - I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say thick.
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Eric Cartman
It is a strange reaction considering they actively changed the law, this hasn't landed upon them. They were either thick or evil - I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say thick.
Just listened to a lovely elderly lady from the Caribbean, who was caught up in this , she was so reasoned to why and how this has happened , not wishing to blame , but calmly and rightly seek a solution and explanation as to how some folk got caught between legislation changes since 1943 and the right to work 2012 bill brought about by folks attitude in this country to immigration.
Some of these poor folk got caught due to simple ignorance, some caught through civil service incompetence, some through lack of understanding , and poor education , many of us in times like this rush to blame the political party they dislike so much , no one would wish this headline .
If it was a thought through right wing political agenda ,it was a crazy one and an unlikely one in my view , as it effects a tiny minority in relation to the population ,and a much bigger unwanted headline.
According to the Caribbean lady who came over with the Windrush , they are all mainly very elderly folk now , some too frightened/ cautious out of ignorance to come forward , or simply not that organised to find or able too substantiate thier lost or never held paperwork , it was left fester or was hidden away, as a consequence , by not coming forward that left them a void of not knowing on either side ,real folk and paperwork clock up then folliwed .
All very sad, however ,thankfully it all looks like being addressed , thank God , as we owe them a lot.
Going back in time , I can remember their arrival on our shores the dreadful headlines when they took up jobs in inner cities being badly taken ,folk looked down upon them called them names and isolated them into specific areas and communities and that in my experince ordinary working class folk, poorly aimed insults and name calling followed, which I won't repeat , as its was shameful ,as it was forced upon us by our own folk and not just as our inotbwilling to drive buses, trains , empty bins etc , how times have changed ,thankfully for the better ,that includes governents and awful folk like Enoch Powell and TV charecters like All Garnett accusing coloured folk of taking our jobs which ironically we didnt want , that was the biggest insult and crime we delivered to our Caribbean friends .
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Your support for this government is admirable but this is just another example of how this government treats those in society who need help the most. Good God even the DM are having a go, surely a first.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...call-quit.html
And the guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/16/windrush-u-turn-welcome-but-theresa-may-policy-cruel
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What I don’t understand was the need for Police/Immigration Officer raids and whisking them off to detention centres.
I mean for FFS someone’s dropped a right bollock here.
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It looks like they have cobbled together some kind of legislation (a form!) as a short term fix.
Some lady interviewed on the BBC news with her daughter described how she hid the initial inflamatory documentation received from her daughter to mitigate the stress on her.
The daughter is rightly upset and angry, especially as they have been told they do not now have to leave the country within 6 months as originally stated.... but will need to be revisited in 2014. WTF :shrug:
Pigeon holing people is an obsession these days. The daughter was saying that even reference to the term 'windrush' is derogatory.
Yes, it has been through many governments since the 'windrush' but Teresa May has to take responsibility in bringing this to a head.
The government are crapping themselves at the undoubted public outcry ahead of the BBC programme which is being aired tonight.
It will be uncomfortable watching and will cause more angst for our carribean friends who have suffered enough prejudice in this country for decades.
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FFS you patronising twat. For the last time I AM NOT YOUR LOVE. Give it a rest and accept that this government are a bunch of evil bastards.
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Mambo
You are just desperate for a story love, any story to get the news away from your anti Israel, anti zionist mates over at Labour HQ :hehe:
No one has been deported over this, Home Office quote this morning on Radio4 .
The law was changed as the advice was that the windrush kids were already covered in other existing laws etc.
Im sure you can find something soon though, maybe a Tory councillor in the Home Counties whose married his goat and then denied the goats human rights etc :shrug:
People have been detained though. As someone who worked in the Criminal Justice system from what I saw it looks a pretty horrific experience especially when you haven’t done anything wrong.
Some what flippant response I think.
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He’s a Tory troll NQAT. They still don’t know if anyone had been deported
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...a-deportations
Amber Rudd delivered an unprecedented apology in the Commons on Monday for the “appalling” actions of her department.
So there you go, never trust a Tory.
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Says the Tory sexist troll.
You make so many assumptions of other people and are so up your own arse it’s unreal.
How do you know who I vote for? I despise the tories, you’ve guessed right on that one.
Oh and by the way you soft bugger this is a political forum, what else do you want to talk about?
And cut out the pathetic sexist jibes it just shows you up for what you are, pig ignorant.
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Auntie Andy
Says the Tory sexist troll.
You make so many assumptions of other people and are so up your own arse it’s unreal.
How do you know who I vote for? I despise the tories, you’ve guessed right on that one.
Oh and by the way you soft bugger this is a political forum, what else do you want to talk about?
And cut out the pathetic sexist jibes it just shows you up for what you are, pig ignorant.
Would it be ok if I could briefly join the debate and say I also can't stand the Tories ?
Ta
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I have Caribbean friends, lots of them, don't think anyone in Cardiff is effected thankfully as its a tight knit family ( I hope not anyway ).
Lots of the Windrush folk came with passports as they were under age , and came to match up with their parents who had already arrived , they didn't fix it their passport issue for some reason or other , some adults did dodge under the radar as the rules on passports wasn't great then some didn't want to be found , unfortunately they all got caught up in the nastiness of "no more immigration take our jobs " debate , you must have seen the headlines , the not double checking all people and paragraphs "dropped the ball" and applied the right to work bill in 2012 and sadly this occurred.
Poor stuff really as they had enough insults and harassment back then for ordinary nasty white folk,no wonder the yardie gangs came about .
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Mambo
I dont despise anyone, you're getting very worked up over there...
If you despise someone then you are never going to have a balanced thought in your head as you'll end up bitter and twisted that people dont agree with you. It's a big world out there - not everyone thinks the same as you.
I know it's a political ('debate') forum, but the way you go on - it should be renamed the Labour Party Press Office, but dont post if your Jewish, have Jewish friends, or dare to suggest anything pro Jewish/Israeli. Im neither pro/anti Israel or Palestine. I used to work for an Israeli company (great payers) and 2 years later worked with a gay Palestinian fella on a different contract in Europe
Back to you though - You will always vote Labour - rather than see what is on offer at each election and vote accordingly. Fair play - you crack with whatever you think best, I wont despise you for it.
I started this thread about The children of Windrush. As usual you’ve hijacked the thread for your own agenda.
Why are you going on about being Jewish and working for an Israeli company, you’ve really lost the plot big time.
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Auntie Andy
I started this thread about The children of Windrush. As usual you’ve hijacked the thread for your own agenda.
Why are you going on about being Jewish and working for an Israeli company, you’ve really lost the plot big time.
I took your post to be double edged one raising the issue of Windrush and secondly and I quote ( In May’s “toxic environment”)
So I'm guessing others may view equally stuff like anti semitsim being equally a " toxic environment " created by another party . It's all about people being victimised , and I guess there are " " toxic environment "everywhere that need fixing and action including the poor children in Syria , but not all parties seem capable or want to on board with these issues.
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life on mars
I took your post to be double edged one raising the issue of Windrush and secondly and I quote ( In May’s “toxic environment”)
So I'm guessing others may view equally stuff like anti semitsim being equally a " toxic environment " created by another party . It's all about people being victimised , and I guess there are " " toxic environment "everywhere that need fixing and action including the poor children in Syria , but not all parties seem capable or want to on board with these issues.
Toxic, ? during my lifetime the two most toxic prime ministers have both been Tory, and both been women with May leading by a short head, Thatcher was upfront and you knew what you were getting, May is a right devious sleaze ball, on twitter I follow Trump, Obama, Mrs Trump & Mrs Obama, I find it very surprising how many women post in support of Trump.
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life on mars
I took your post to be double edged one raising the issue of Windrush and secondly and I quote ( In May’s “toxic environment”)
So I'm guessing others may view equally stuff like anti semitsim being equally a " toxic environment " created by another party . It's all about people being victimised , and I guess there are " " toxic environment "everywhere that need fixing and action including the poor children in Syria , but not all parties seem capable or want to on board with these issues.
we have 3 threads about that already.
Mambo could pick one of those to talk about it.
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Eric Cartman
we have 3 threads about that already.
Mambo could pick one of those to talk about it.
Or create another one as has happened tonight.
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Did I say you are Jewish? Honestly!
May and Rudd should resign immediately. And you should resign from this board, it would be a much better place without you.
Hope this helps hun.
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